I mean, what do you expect to change?
We didn't even win the fucking Senate.
How would we get rid of Obamacare when the Democrats have the Senate, and the President has the Veto?
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Midnight Rider responds --
We need to work with a little faith here, gang (Pastorius, you're excused. You live in a state that just elected Jerry Garcia/Brown AGAIN. You should go pour yourself into a bottle for a couple days. But not too long, we NEED you here :)
Ok. So we didn't take the Senate. So we didn't pick up as many House seats as we wanted to. So what?
What we did, what we have gained, at the very least is a way to keep Obama and the Libs in check. Sure, Obama may try to regulate instead of legislate some things through but that would have happened (and in fact been MORE likely) if we HAD taken the Senate.
We may not have vote control in the Senate but we have some control nevertheless. With any luck those Dem Senators up for election in 2012 will heave a little close to compromising with us, not us with them, lest they face the same voter wrath in 2 years that their recently dearly departed comrades in arms did this year.
We may not get Obamacare repealed but we may be able to stop parts of it or defund some. And who knows, now that they finally see that voters will exact blood for their stupidity it may help change a few hearts and minds.
And there are still seats open in the Seante, races undecided. Alaska will almost certainly go Republican whether it's Murkowski or Miller. I would prefer Miller but Murky was not a Rino from what I've read. Arrogant and Washington insider yes, but no Rino.
And Dino Rossi in Washington is certainly not down and out yet. So the end result could still be as close as 2 votes difference between Dems and Reps. Making those independents mighty important to sway our way.
And we took a ton of governorships last night. As well as state houses and senates. Which is important to those states now as they try to resist Obama and his policies (think Jan Brewer repeated over and over) and equally important when the 2012 Presidential race comes along. ESPECIALLY if these guys can affect real change in their states, their voters may be more willing to heave to the political coattails.
All this provided, of course, that the folks we just voted in stay true to what they promised and don't get lost in the political swamp. If so then, well, 2012 looms.
The real danger right now is the next 60 days and what kind of revenge legislation Pelosi and her minions will try to force through.
At any rate The American People have just reminded the Pols WHO is the boss and what happens when their employees fail to muster up. They are no longer willing to sit on the side and see what happens, hoping someone will come along to fix it. They are actively engaging to try to make sure people get in there who will fix it. Instead of just saying they are fed up with business as usual they are showing it, putting their votes where their mouths are, willing to take a chance on the unknowns AND THE UNKNOWNS ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE CHANCE TO RUN.
AIN'T THAT AMERICA!
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I guess it would be hard to see the upside if youlived in california..
sorry bubba
Hey, maybe I'm being negative because of myopia. You know, we Californians are stuck with Boxer and Brown.
And, the worst thing is, Reid got re-elected.
This kind of stuff tells me the American people just don't get it. They don't get it.
I believe we're in a lot of fucking trouble.
I think I am probably feeling more pessimistic now than I was after Obama was elected.
It's a step in the right direction unless the Reps forget what happened.
I want to see screaming and yelling in both houses. I want to see the Reps on TV called Odama and the Dems "lying sacks of crap" when they lie. I want a fight not a compromise. I'd rather lose a vote for what's right than win on a stupid compromise.
I want to see effort even if it results in no yardage gained.
I.I.I.
Pasto,
Under the situation voted in last night, ObamaKare will not be repealed.
It takes a 2/3 majority of both houses of Congress to override Presidential veto.
Honestly, I don't see much hope of ever repealing all of ObamaKare. How often are laws passed by Congress ever actually repealed. Tweaked and amended - yes.
Cutting off the funding of a law, or certain portions thereof, might be a possibility.
Now, what DID we win? Possibly teaching those in power that they are accountable to the people at the ballot box.
However, I doubt that BHO will ever have that realization.
I think Congress (and that includes the Republicans) will go back to governing as usual.
I believe the lesson they have learned is they can fool the American people all the time.
Sure, there were a few casualties, but to the extent that this is not a decisive destruction of the Obama agenda (AND IT IS NOT) then this is no victory.
It's a defeat, in my politically naive opinion.
Dude, my response in the body of your post. Hope you don't mind.
Personally, I like SamenoKami's answer an awful lot.
I'm with Pasto. When I heard results this morning...that the worst of the worst - Reid, Frank, Boxer, Dingell, etc...and Moonbeam? Really? - still had their jobs, I screamed at my radio.
Too much stupidity, passivity, complacency, dependency....we're f'd.
Frank has been eunuched (well. . .) loses his chairmanship as does Pelosi. There is strong suspicion of cheating by Reid (though we can't prove it, check out the Reid/Harrah's story at Weasel Zippers along with the pre-election day voter machine fiasco)Seator Ma'am needs to be careful or she'll be someone's bitch before it's over.
While not everything we wanted or hoped I still see this more as a positive, especially with the long termers who suddenly joined the unemployment line.
Okay, here's something to think about: no new taxes will likely pass the House if the GOP sticks to its fiscal promises.
Pasto, I'm the resident pessimist around IBA. Chill dude. Give 'em a chance. Rubio and Rand Paul talk a mean talk.
The journey of a thousand miles begins w/a single step.
In the mean time, scope out some good 3rd world countries to move to, just in case the conservatives blow it. Preferably one we can walk to.
Buy a little extra food along so you won't starve to death when food prices go up 50% in the next 6mo.
IF!
yeah i'm pretty sure alaska doesn't put too many democrats in office.
in the meantime, i'm hoping for a bunch of murkowski mis-spellings :) there wasn't a single thing with her name on it at our voting place!! or anyone's name on it, actually... it was bizarre... so hopefully AK isn't full of great spellers :D
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Godefroi said..
IF!
Yep. The biggest word in the English language.
I kept telling myself, that CAN'T be the same Jerry Brown. Should have known better. Will we get Ronstadt back, too? If you're going to re-live the 70's, might as well go all the way.
Pastorius, we here in the psycho state of Massachusetts feel your pain. Not only did these fools re-elect Patrick and Frank, they voted down every single one of our House candidates and voted against cutting the sales tax.
Obviously, there were some gains around the country. Whether it will be enough to get traction remains to be seen.
Positive night in Wisconsin:
On a night when America turned from blue to red, few states swung harder than Wisconsin, where Republicans experienced their greatest electoral gains in decades, picking up a governor, Democrat Russ Feingold's U.S. Senate seat, both state legislative chambers and two U.S. House seats.
A battleground state that Barack Obama dominated two years ago dealt him and his party a sharp political rebuke Tuesday, as Democrats lost ground with one key voting group after another - independents, blue-collar whites, suburbanites.
PEOPLE, "SLAP", PEOPLE !!!!!
"SLAP"
This is ONE NIGHT in a war begun when someone who made something of themselves took pity on someone who did not.
This is a war between the impulse to HELP those less fortunate (in any way you care to imagine) and the impulse to exult in achievement.
The former has now been perverted into a mandate. The latter perverted into a perversion.
A round was won.
THAT'S ALL.
We push the advantage and swing the pendulum for us and our children and PASS THE BATON.
There is no end.
There is only the path
(grasshoppers)
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Hi Kid!
OMG MR, now you've corrupted your own children into coming in here.
This is the end of civilization.
It's a little more easy to see the upside here in Bama. The last time Republicans were the majority party on Goat Hill, a Union Army had put them there.
Pasto, you're too darned close (as an American) and too wrapped up in this particular election to fully appreciate that this battle is WAY bigger than just one election. The actual "pendulum" we ought to be concerned with does not swing back and forth with contemporary election cycles at all. It's not a 2 year, 4 year, 8 year, or even a 50 year pendulum. It's a two or three hundred year pendulum, and the last time its swing truly favored free men was when the constitution itself was written to permit the creation of a navy which ultimately led to a 500 mile march across a certain desert to attack a certain North African city from the rear.
The success of that campaign led to the defeat of the Barbary Coast pirates, or in other words, Islam. Since then, freedom has been pretty much snoozing, with some "momentary" exceptions such as WW2 and the Cold War. And from that wider perspective, you may note that the pendulum, although still essentially moving to the "left", is now almost motionless - with the election of Alan West and the success of the Tea Party movement acting as the force of gravity. So you see, two more (or even six more, gulp) years of the pendulum swinging left toward maximum stupidity is not nearly so depressing.
Yeah, Epa, the oldest started checking in during the Philly Shenanigans of Election 2008 and is now nearly a full blown cranky conservative. As is her husband.
The nut didn't fall far from the tree and Alaska has no idea what they have on their hands.
Anonymous,
I had been on board, pretty much, thinking along the same lines as you (that the coalescing of the Tea Party/American Constitutionalists, and the anti-Jihad would be a new birth of Freedom), but I also believe in political reality. It seems to me these people are simply people, and I am very concerned they will go to Washington and, as long as they don't have a true mandate, they will go along to get along.
You don't think that's going to happen?
Of course it will happen. My point is more of an observation on human nature, democracy, global jihad, and how people relate to recorded history.
The moment the right takes charge, the left begins to more or less regain political strength by utilizing Critical Theory (spiteful criticism of everything the right does without ever offering any meaningful alternative). When the left takes charge, everything begins to turn to shit and the right slowly regains strength as more and more people realize (despite leftist media spin) that things are indeed turning to shit.
When the shit is fascism dressed up as a "great religion" people are apparently willing to tolerate quite a bit of it before they rise up and say enough. As bad as Obama has been, for those paying attention, do you really think enough people are fed up and ready to take up arms against islamofascism? Do you really think the leftists have done enough damage this time around to finally break the cycle once and for all?
To my eye, the awareness banana still looks a bit green. Do some more damage, leftists. Give us more pain.
What was accomplished? Well, lets see: more pro-lifers were elected. More real Catholics were elected, so they should be much less confused about the Word than Nutty Pelosi.
Of the 12 "prolife"Democrat congressmen who promised to stand against Obamacare, then voted for it--only 4 remain--and they have a huge target on their foreheads.
Pelosi is no longer second in line for the presidency.
Republican governors were elected all across the nation--in a redistricting year that is crucial.
My home state elected their first woman governor(not bad considering Oklahoma has only been a state since 1907)
Pelosi is no longer second in line for the presidency.
My current state now has twice as many Republicans as Democrats in the state house, along with a Republican governor and a hefty majority in the state senate--in my opinion the states are going to be the ones fighting off Obamacare. The president cannot veto state legislation.
Chris Matthews and Olbermann got a huge TEA enema.
and...Pelosi is no longer second in line for the presidency.
oh and I forgot to mention that everytime the House passes a piece of legislation to stop obamacare, or lower taxes, or put Americans back to work etc...the Dems in the Senate will stop it, just because they can't help themselves from being stuck on stupid. THey will go on record as working to continue the Obama fiasco which is hurting our country.
Harry Reid, Ma'am Boxer and company will become the face of failure. They will hang like a millstone around the neck of Obama as he will theirs.
Bawney Fwank and Pelosi will always be on the floor of the House--getting face time in front of the cameras--beause they can't help themselves either. They will become the face of the Democratic party--the face of failure in the eyes of the American people...just in time for the 2012 elections. In 2012 there are more Dem Senators up for re-election, if the Repubs stay true to conservatism--then they will win those seats too.
It actually serves our purposes well to have a Democratic controlled Senate--now, lets see if the cockroaches will have enough self preservation to vote against Obamacare and the rest of the failed Obama economic policies along with the Repubs...or are they so stupid they will vote themselves right off the island and continue to support Obama and his failed policies--which will make the 2012 elections much, MUCH more fun.
Anonymous,
You said; To my eye, the awareness banana still looks a bit green. Do some more damage, leftists. Give us more pain.
I say: Well put.
;-)
I see your point. You're right. I'm focused too much on the here and now, and not on the big picture. Thanks for pointing that out.
I don't know what got into me. That's not the way I usually think.
I guess what's bugging me is when I see our side taking such immense pleasure in a phyrric victory, it concerns me that we will lose steam. We will think, "We won," and stop truly fighting.
But, you're right, there is much more pain to come, and that will provide the impetus for what really needs to happen.
In Mary's Image,
Great summation. I hope you're right.
The GOP picked up a whopping 680 state legislature seats. That's enormously significant, hardly a phyrric victory at all. Hang in there Pastorius.
"The GOP gained majorities in at least 14 state house chambers. They now have unified control -- meaning both chambers -- of 26 state legislatures...Republicans now hold the redistricting "trifecta" -- both chambers of the state legislature and the governorship -- in 15 states. They also control the Nebraska governorship and the unicameral legislature, taking the number up to 16. And in North Carolina -- probably the state most gerrymandered to benefit Democrats -- Republicans hold both chambers of the state legislature and the Democratic governor does not have veto power over redistricting proposals."
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/11/devastation-gop.php
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