When we hear about stuff like this it is confirmation that "moderate Muslims" don't do us any good.
Let's be clear, moderate Muslims did not inform on these schools. No Muslims raised their voices.
If it were not for the BBC's brave investigative journalism, we would not know about these schools.
From the Daily Mail:
Children in Britain are being taught brutal Sharia law punishments, including how to hack off a criminal’s hand or foot.
So-called ‘weekend schools’ – which offer the hardline Saudi National Curriculum to Muslim children in the UK – also teach that the penalty for gay sex is execution and that ‘Zionists’ are plotting to take over the world for the Jews.
One set text book challenges youngsters to list the ‘reprehensible’ qualities of the Jews.
Another for six year-olds asks them to answer what happens to someone who dies who is not a believer in Islam. The answer being looked for is ‘hellfire’.
A BBC Panorama investigation, to be screened tonight, identified a network of more than 40 weekend schools teaching around 5,000 children, from age six to 18.
The schools are run under the umbrella of ‘Saudi Students Clubs and Schools in the UK and Ireland’.
They are not state-funded, and do not use Government buildings. They are able to exploit a loophole which means weekend schools are not inspected by Ofsted.
Last night, experts at the Policy Exchange think-tank warned that similar extremists could seek to exploit the Government’s policy of giving greater freedoms from state control to free schools and academies.
They call for the establishment of a Due Diligence Unit to check whether those applying to open the schools have an extremist background.
Current checks are largely limited to fraud, criminal convictions and funding.
Education Secretary Michael Gove, who is believed to be supportive of the idea, said he would not tolerate anti-Semitism and homophobia in English schools.
The Panorama investigation identified a book for 15 year-olds being used in the classes which teaches about Sharia law and its punishments.
It says: ‘For thieves their hands will be cut off for a first offence, and their foot for a subsequent offence.’
There are diagrams showing children where cuts must be made. One passage says:
‘The specified punishment of the thief is cutting off his right hand at the wrist. Then it is cauterised to prevent him from bleeding to death.’
For acts of ‘sodomy’, children are told that the penalty is death and it states a difference of opinion whether this should be done by stoning, or burning with fire, or throwing over a cliff.
Panorama alleges that a building used for one of the schools, in Ealing, West London, is owned by the Saudi government .
Mr Gove told the programme: ‘I have no desire or wish to intervene in the decisions that the Saudi government makes in its own education system.
‘But I’m clear that we cannot have anti-Semitic material of any kind being used in English schools. Ofsted are doing some work in this area.
‘They’ll be reporting to me shortly about how we can ensure that part-time provision is better registered and better inspected in the future.’
In a written response to the findings, the Saudi ambassador said the schools had nothing to do with the Saudi embassy.
It stated: ‘Any tutoring activities that may have taken place among any other group of Muslims in the United Kingdom are absolutely individual to that group and not affiliated to or endorsed by the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia.’
Panorama separately claimed that some Muslim private schools have expressed extreme sentiments on their school websites.
These include: ‘We need to defend our children from the forces of evil’, and ‘our children are exposed to a culture that is in opposition to almost everything Islam stands for’.
Policy Exchange says Britain’s faith and other schools are increasingly vulnerable to extremist influences.
The authors claim the Department for Education, Ofsted, education authorities and schools are ‘not equipped’ to meet such challenges.
Current checks for extremism are described as ‘piecemeal’.
The report adds: ‘The Government’s policy of opening up the education system to new academies and free schools programmes could be exploited unless urgent measures are taken to counter extremist influence.’
28 comments:
Pastorius,
This is shocking, but at least its being reported. I guarantee the Islamists running these schools don't want non Muslims knowing about what's going on.
Yes, and the big lesson here is
NEITHER DO THE "MODERATE MUSLIMS".
Pastorius,
Unfortunately, far too few people realize just how many of them are not really even moderate at all. Assuming they don't want us to know about this, than do we really have any reason to see them as our allies, or even moderate at all? I mean if they really wanted to discredit the idea that they secretly supported stuff like this, and in reality the vast majority of them, did not, you'd think that a lot of them would be demanding their co religionists put a stop to this. But with only a few exceptions, none of them seem to be doing so. In some cases I'll admit, it maybe fear of what the fundamentalists would do to them, but there's far too much silence from them, for it to be that alone.
Exactly.
Good commentary, Pasto. Graphic's great too.
1- well whether we like it or not God says that the penalty of a thief is to cut his hand, the problem is that we do not create the laws of islam we follow them since it's an inspiration from God Himself.
2- such crime are immoral and we (people living in this century) seem to have lost any sense of what's moral and what's not
3- this blog does not cover all the laws of islam which may be fair and just, 3 or 4 laws do not define a complete shariaa or code of law
4- if i'm not mistaken sharia's laws only apply to those who have CHOSEN islam as their religion
5- the purpose of islam itself cannot be bound to a couple of laws since the purpose is far beyond ...
“The schools are run under the umbrella of ‘Saudi Students Clubs and Schools in the UK and Ireland’. They are not state-funded, and do not use Government buildings. They are able to exploit a loophole which means weekend schools are not inspected by Ofsted.”
At least the MSM have exposed this here in the UK.
How do you know what is being taught in similar schools in the US?
I’ll tell you – exactly the same except your neutered media is too dumbed down to expose it.
I can guarantee one thing, now that it has come to light it will be stamped on. These Muslims excuses for schools will be closed or strictly controlled AND now there will be NO exemption from OFSTED.
Manar,
I perceive that you are a Moderate Muslim.
Welcome.
Thanks, American Rose.
Ray,
I agree, and yes, I assume there are many schools like this in the USA.
And, the biggest point of this post is, we must note and acknowledge that the Moderate Muslims do not come forward and inform us when this kind of stuff is going on.
We have to stumble upon it.
"1- well whether we like it or not God says that the penalty of a thief is to cut his hand, the problem is that we do not create the laws of islam we follow them since it's an inspiration from God Himself."
That's what your pervert god thinks, not us. Just because you call him god doesn't mean we believe in the same one. Just because you are called a human and so am I, doesn't mean we are one and the same person. So don't paint all of our beliefs with the same brush, you believe in something we don't.
2- such crime are immoral and we (people living in this century) seem to have lost any sense of what's moral and what's not.
Any "crime" is immoral, that's why its called a crime. Theft, though it is a crime, does not warranty cutting off of hands. Is it necessary that once you steal something, you are always a thief? Your god seems to think so, I don't and I think your god is an idiot for thinking so.
3- this blog does not cover all the laws of islam which may be fair and just, 3 or 4 laws do not define a complete shariaa or code of law
This blog does not cover and does not promise to cover all of Shari'ah. That's one for your mutawwas and imams. Do you know all of Shari'ah? I doubt you do. As for laws that are fair and just: So what? Just because someone who feeds a dog on his way to murdering innocent people doesn't make that man a good man. And also, just because another religious system has the same barbaric laws as Islam does not let Islam off the hook. Its childish to cry out for defence in those ways.
4- if i'm not mistaken sharia's laws only apply to those who have CHOSEN islam as their religion
You are mistaken. Shari'ah, wherever instituted, is forced on anyone within reach. Whether you choose Islam as your religion or not. It might help for you to read the Quran a bit and touch on the hadiths.
5- the purpose of islam itself cannot be bound to a couple of laws since the purpose is far beyond
Why don't you enlighten us? And until you do, I will keep my weapon ready...safety off! This game's been played for way too long by your people. Sick and tired of it now.
Moderate Muslim = A person who adheres to the faith of Islam. Does not kill others for not following it but supports other Muslims who kill others for not following it.
A person like that is all the more dangerous because you can't tell what his intentions are.
Yep, I agree, AA. And, that's the point I'm trying to get across here.
The fact is, these moderate Muslims don't see anything truly wrong with these schools, and that's why they will not inform on the schools, even though they clearly know that what goes on at the schools is hatred for the Infidel, and completely counter to the laws of the United States, the UK, and the Western World.
The problem is, they see everything RIGHT with it, so to speak. It is inherent in them, in their culture and religion and the way of life.
Think about it. I don't stand on a pulpit and preach, because I am not a preacher. However, I don't think it weird when a pastor does that. I don't report to the the authorities BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT.
I know its a bad comparison but it should help all of us understand why these so-called moderate Muslims don't report on their brethren. Because whatever they are doing is normal according to Islam.
Just because you and I are not pastors doesn't make us moderate Christians in the same way it doesn't make them moderate Muslims just because they don't carry a gun around and shoot people at random. They are as Muslim as their jihad-crazed brethren.
Coming back to my analogy, I am not a pastor but I would support the church and its pastor in what they're doing if I think what they're doing is right (that is, they follow the Biblical teachings, etc). In the same way, even though these "moderate" Muslims are not jihadists, they will support their jihadist brethren in one way or another because they know they are following Allah.
Imagine if Christian Pastors were preaching violence against Abortion Doctors, and no Christians, NONE, were to report it.
That's really the analogy, isn't it?
Pastorius,
"Imagine if Christian Pastors were preaching violence against Abortion Doctors, and no Christians, NONE, were to report it.
That's really the analogy, isn't it?"
Actually its not the best analogy, because its even worse than that. Imagine the pastors and the christian patriarchal were teaching that America is evil, the constitutions of every secular democratic government must be replace with old testament biblical law, and that anyone who does not accept Jesus as their personally savior must be subjected by any means necessary.
to pastorius
thank you for your kindness though i couldn't actually tell what did you mean when you called me a moderate muslim, i just hope for good intentions and honest words
to avenging apostate
i'm not trying to defend my religion and i'm not trying to make excuses for my religion i just had the courtesy of sharing my point of you with you :)
I see Manar is from Lebanon, and does not live in the West.
That's very good news.
Yes, very good news. And Pasto don't forget all the horrible things they do to women, including 6,000 little girls a day getting their genitals cut off and thousands more being sold into arranged marriages and millions being denied even basic human rights, ... all in the name of pisslam. Child abuse and misogynism on an unpredendented scale that the world is silent about. Please stay in Lebanon Manar. YOu and your beliefs are criminal. Your prophet is a murderer, rapist, pedophile, schizophrenic thug. Simply, a disgusting human being to honor.
I tried to find the other mooslum's post that lectured us on how it is beyond human comprehension to know the nature of god all the while calling god a MAN, but it seems to have disappeared? It made me sick.
West is still racist, xenophobic and Islamophobic. It is unable to forget and forgive the seige of Vienna in 1683.
I fully understand the FEAR & THE INFERIORITY COMPLEX Factor among some Christians / Jews & the Hindu Groups/Individuals when dealing with the subject of ISLAM.
We will NEVER like to discuss about anything which is INSIGNIFICANT, but ISLAM
IS HUGELY SIGNIFICANT as the Fastest Growing Religion in the entire World, not
only Europe or America or Africa or Asia or Australia. ISLAM as a religion is Growing
Everywhere, by the Grace of the Almighty Allah.
There is a tremendous CAMPAIGN GOING AROUND THE WORLD TO DEMONISE ISLAM to put a STOP ON ITS GROWTH.
Please do not Demonise ISLAM, Read the Noble Quran to understand what ISLAM really is.
Culture and race is always a factor in a child's life. To deny the importance of race and culture is not only insulting to Muslim children, it also risks causing unnecessary confusion and distress. Cultural Identity is particuluraly significant for a child. Little attention is paid to the child' cultural background. There is a social and economic pressure on bilingual Muslim children that they must speak English, adopt British values and ditch their religious beliefs, to assimilate into this country rather than maintain their cultural traditions and historical ties. Speaking English does not promote integration into British society and broadens opportunities. The result of such a policy is that British schooling is guilty of producing Muslim youths who are angry, frustrated and extremist. Majority of them leave schools with low grades. The number of Muslim youths is on the increase in prisons. Anti-social behaviour and drug addiction is on the increase. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Thanks to British schooling.
Living togather requires quite simply, an acceptance of the others, of the way in which (the other) is dressed.
It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context. Muslims were already disproportionately being targeted by police with programmes such as the Prevent project. Focusing on Muslim schools for investigation would tell Muslim young people "you are different" and further alienate them. Singling out Muslim schools threatened to add to already "dangerous" levels of Islamophobia, which he compared to the amount of anti-semitism in the 1920s and 1930s.
It is not wrong to teach children that Jews are committing the same cruelty in Palistine what German did to them before or during Second World War. It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins. This does not mean that Muslim schools teach children to hate westerners, Jews and homosexuals.
Extremism, homophobia and anti-Semistism are nothing to do with Islamic teachings and beliefs. Islam does not teach that Jews and Christians are pigs and monkeys. The Policy Exchange Think-tank should concentrate on institutionally racist British schooling with chicken racist teachers. Muslim parents do not want their children with behaviour probems that include unprovoked aggression, promiscuity, violence, eating disorder, bullying and alcohal. According to ATL, teachers believe behaviour is worse than it was five years ago, with even five year olds being disrespectful, intimidating and violent. This is the true picture of British borken society and the Muslim community does not want to be integrated.
Iftikhar Ahmad
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
Thanks for confirming how completely insane your religion is, Iftikhar.
It’s hard for me to read the opposing comments on this page as it seems to support the idea that Christianity is a war with Islam and that, I do not believe. Fact is that the vast majority of Muslims living in the west (and in Muslim countries) are sadly uneducated and often at least partially illiterate, especially in Arabic, which is necessary to read the Koran without aid.
This is reminiscent of the situation in the Christian world 500 years ago, when the bible was only available in Latin and the clergy were able to instigate terrible atrocities on both their own and other congregations.
This resulted in enlightened people pushing for both the education of the masses and the printing of the Bible in languages that could be understood by those masses. The church resisted and even declared such people heretics who should be burned at the stake and condemned to 'Hell Fire' sound familiar (Luther is a perfect example)
We should not forget that Saudi Arabia was not that long ago a Bedouin country whose inhabitants had no education and were very poor then along came the oil and these peasant people became fantastically wealthy. That is the problem, change happens slowly but these people had their circumstances changed almost overnight. They bought into the western model of consumerism but unfortunately brought with them a feudal system steeped in traditional Islamic thought. Over time these two forces collided and the result is not a war between Christians and Moslems but a civil war between the various factions of Islam. Like all such situations in history it then becomes necessary for the factions to find a bogy man and we are that.
I do not condone this behaviour but I understand it. What we in the more enlightened west need to do is make it clear in every action and word we make that we will not tolerate this behaviour and if necessary, kick those who bring this war to our shores, out of our countries. Any action no matter how small, should be punished with deportation and then watch as these people change their behaviour.
But we should never forget that we too have known this situation and have learned how to deal with it.
Ifytickytar:
No one here give a crap about your religious political ideology. It's fucked up. Get the hell out of our countries and continue your inbreding in your own shitholes. Really, you think for a moment anyone here read all that pathetic dribble you wrote? If you have the extreme blessing of living in England, you should be bending over backwards to assimilate and free yourself of your backward ways. Now go blow yourself up.
american rose
1-actually ifytickytar was insulting u mostly in what he wrote haha
2- nobody cares about ur us keep it to urself but at least get out of our countries and as soon as you do that we'll getting out of your country
3-stop cursing religion cuz we didn't curse ur religion
4- i guess killing red indians, discriminating against colored people, raping the girls in iraq,stealing iraqi oil, annialating hiroshima and nakazaki is a better religion so enjoy it!
Manar Youssef Kanawaty,
First of all, what makes you think that any of those things were motivated by our religion? Its not like everyone in the west practices the same religion, now do they? Not everyone in the West by far, are Christians or Jews.
Second of all, what makes you think we're in Iraq to take their oil?
Third you may not have, but a lot of Muslims out there do curse other religions and do so quite frequently.
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