Thursday, June 09, 2011

Herman Cain Rapidly Losing My Support? UPDATED - MAYBE NOT?

UPDATED AND BUMPED WITH VIDEO



RESUME MIDNIGHT RIDER'S ORIGINAL POST:

if he means what he said here.

Note to Mr. Cain: Shall Not Be Infringed. Period.

And thus every state law requiring licenses to own or keep or carry concealed or otherwise are unconstitutional.

or, as Uncle Ted said



Period

Hot Air:

Cain: Gun control should be a “state’s decision”

Before anyone goes into full blown panic alert, I think Herman Cain may have just slipped up a bit during a rapid fire question session with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer last night. Given a chance to walk this back and clarify, his answer might not sound as bad. But, the man said what he said, so we should give it a full airing. Video and transcript follow, and the comments come at the 3 minute mark so you can fast forward.




BLITZER: How about gun control?
CAIN: I support the 2nd amendment.
B: So what’s the answer on gun control?
C: The answer is I support, strongly support, the 2nd amendment. I don’t support onerous legislation that’s going to restrict people’s rights in order to be able to protect themselves as guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.
B: Should states or local government be allowed to control guns, the gun situation, or should…
C: Yes
B: Yes?
C: Yes.
B: So the answer is yes?
C: The answer is yes, that should be a state’s decision.
I don’t know, but that sounds pretty specific to me. On the one hand, Cain is saying that he doesn’t want the federal government passing sweeping, onerous laws restricting everyone’s gun rights, but they don’t do that now. It all comes down to the question of whether or not 2nd amendment rights are among the incorporated rights which must be recognized by the states.
Ever since the SCOTUS decision in McDonald v Chicago, the groundwork has been laid where those rights might stand up against the wishes of the individual state and local governments. Unless he completely misspoke, Cain sounds like he is an opponent of the McDonald decision, which I believe would come as a great disappointment to many of his conservative supporters.
But, again, the piece went by fairly quickly and it’s possible that he simply misfired in response to Blitzer’s flurry of questions on a wide variety of issues. It would be worthwhile for someone to ask Mr. Cain to clarify these remarks in the near future.
Update: Doug Mataconis wonders if this was not a misfire, but rather a different reading of constitutional adherence, more in the school of Ron Paul.
Now, it’s possible, as Jazz Shaw suggests, that Cain simply misspoke under Blitzer’s rapid fire barrage. The other possibility, though, is that he’s one of those “Constitutional” conservatives who rejects the entire idea that Federal Bill of Rights should be applied to the states. Ron Paul believes this, and it’s one reason I’m not entirely a fan of his. Is this Cain’s position? Does he believe that, not just the 2nd, but also the 1st, 4th, 6th, 7th and 8th Amendments shouldn’t apply to the states? Some clarification on this issue would be most helpful.


16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Getting a decent president would be much easier if not for the childish search for heroes. A federal executive that honors the original precepts of decentral power found in such limitations as the second amendment is preferrable to a central planner that happens to agree with your plan.

maccus germanis

ronmorgen said...

I don't think he meant the states had the right to prohibit gun ownership, but that gun issues are within the domain of the states, not the federal.. If so, I would agree. Let the states and only the states regulate guns short of prohibition..

midnight rider said...

See, I read the 2nd as NO prohibition or regulation on guns.

And I'm not looking for a hero, Mac, just someone to help set things right.

christian soldier said...

still with Bolton-Bhachmann-Palin-West --

BTW-the NRA should not have 'waffled' either-
C-CS

Always On Watch said...

There is altogether too much waffling going on from various GOP candidates.

cjk said...

The Constitution and all it's amendments apply to all the states AS WRITTEN.
I actually believe that any given state has the right to establish it's own religion. I would never back such a law, but that's what the Constitution allows.
Theoretically there should be no restrictions on ARMS let alone guns.
The people always have to be able to overthrow the government if necessary IMO.
If Mr. Cain truly believes that the states can limit the ownership of weapons by ordinary citizens than that is definitely a mark against him as far as I'm concerned.
Overall the interview was good though.

midnight rider said...

I'm with you on Bolton & pals, Christian Soldier. And especially about the NRA.

Altough I am a long time (veen before I owned guns) member and supporter of the NRA they have made compromises from time to time that were both baffling and disappointing.

I haven't yet seen an officially in the ring candidate I could really be happy with and the front runner is starting to worry me like it's the 08 GOP frontrunner.

Pastorius said...

Given his uninformed statements - about not hiring a Muslim for his cabinet, and about Israel being willing to accept the right of return - it sounds like Cain s simply not informed enough on this issue to be answering these questions.

I'm inclined to agree with RonMorgen on this.

BUT, Cain needs to be much more specific in his thought and his words before he answers questions of Constitutional import, or questions regarding matters of national security for our allies.

Sheesh.

That being said, what Macus Germanis says is also true. We can't expect a perfect candidate. And Cain is closer to what most of us here would prefer than any other candidate. Or so I believe.

Anonymous said...

Watch what he says in an earlier interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGb9Fu-ckSY

midnight rider said...

Yeah, taken with the other issues and now this video from anon I'm inclined to look elsewhere.

You either support the 2nd amendment or the right of the states to make their own decisions. You can't have it both ways as far as I'm concerned.

midnight rider said...

Cain's position owuld leave open the door for some states to make it so difficult, short of an outright ban, to buy and own guns now that many or most couldn't. Such as New York or California now.

So who is Cain (or anyone for that matter) to say that the people of New York Or Calif. have less right, are less important than people in Pennsy., to defend themselves?

We are all equal and have the same rights. That's what I believe the 2nd guarantees (and the rest, for that matter) and what the Founders intended. To be able to defend yourself against Federal, state or local tyranny or the local dumbass trying to relieve your wife of her purse.

Ask your self this. Of the Ten amendments in the Bill of Rights, why is it, or should it be, that the only one left for the states to decide is the 2nd amendment?

Epaminondas said...

MR I agree, this is not abortion where states can make up their own minds. States cannot legislate away the constitution.

YET

But there is a LOT of blind eye crap going on.

Just look at the Libya involvement

christian soldier said...

I like DEAD OFFENDERS too!

and speaking of CA-many are leaving and not just because of over-taxation-and anti-small business laws...
C-CS

ronmorgen said...

The individual, and the states have the right to bear arms?
The federal government cannot infringe on that right. Nor can the state governments infringe on the right of the adult individual to bear arms. Period.

The question is: Did he say anything differently? NO.
But even so I don't think Mr. Cain is informed enough or clear enough, or strong enough to lead the country back to prosperity.
I'm still looking for a George Washington.

cjk said...

Zed: Thanks for all your solid facts to back up your slander.
Your reasoning for Obama meriting reelection as president of the USA was especially sharp.

Pastorius said...

cjk,
We've been getting hit with some pretty ingenious leftie spam recently, and I think that is what Zed's comments were.

So, I ERASED his comment, and will do so with all other leftie spam.