I think that is what is going on here.
From (The Local)
Evidence that a German neo-Nazi group is bizzarely celebrating the Jewish
state of Israel has been discovered on their website.
The neo-Nazi group The Autonomous Nationalists, known for their extreme
violence and fascist sympathies, have built upon a peculiar ideology within
their group, publishing a manifesto entitled, "National Socialism for Israel" on
their website.
The essay contains racist language about Jews, but hails them as "a healthy
and strong people," reported German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel.The group also
commends Israel's "preservation of national identity."
The manifesto contains photos of black, white and red flags, mounted with
the yellow star of David, sparking an outcry from extreme right-wing groups of
anti-Semitic reactions.
Some suspicions have been raised by right-wing groups saying that the
manifesto is a fake and the protection of the constitution is not at risk.
This publication from the The Autonomous Nationalists goes against the
usual neo-Nazi hatred towards foreigners, especially since "National Socialism
for Israel" and anti-Semitism stand in opposition to each other.
Ideology of right-wing extremists may be open for changes, though, as one
neo-Nazi wrote on the Altermedia website, "German Nationalism must eventually
free itself from it's dogmatic anti-Semitic routes."
It seems to me many separatists (Vlaams Belang, BNP) are beginning to come out in support of Israel, because they, wrongly, see Israel as the model of an Ethnic Nationalist Separatist state.
This should not surprise us as the notion that Israel is a Separatist (Apartheid) state is at the center of the New Anti-Semitism.
While it is tempting for Israel to accept the support of a party like Vlaams Belang (because they do actually garner a sizable number of votes in Belgium), I think it is a mistake for Jews to ever accept support from Separatist groups.
Why?
Because, if Separatists can establish the idea that Israel is, itself, a Separatist state, then that very idea will be used to delegitmise the Jewish State.
Israel is, in my opinion, a state founded on the Judaic ideology. It is not an Ethnic Nationalist state. A gentile, no matter what his race/ethnicity, can become a Jew by learning and accepting the ideas of Judaism. A person who is a Jew can then become a citizen of Israel.
Therefore, Israel does not, in anyway, fit the mold of an Ethnic Nationalist Separatist state. Try telling that to anti-Semites however. Remember, Hitler thought of Jews as a separate racial class. In fact, that notion is a central meme of anti-Semitism throughout the world (There is something unique about Jews as a racial class. They are born to perpetuate evil throughout the world.)
Instead, as we know, Jews come in all colors, and they hold opinions as varied as the colors of the rainbow. Israel is not an Ethnic Nationalist state, and, in my opinion, only a separatist would say that it is.
19 comments:
Pastorius,
You point out an interesting fact. People really need to be careful with who and what they support.
Yeah, but the thing is, I can't figure out if Christine Brim ought to be more careful of who she supports, or if her friends ought to be more reticent to support her.
Probably both.
Actually, regime change for Christine Brim is official IBA policy.
Too bad she gets such good jobs. Reflects badly upon her employer.
. . .because, if Separatists can establish the idea that Israel is, itself, a Separatist state, then that very idea will be used to delegitmise the Jewish State.
deligitimize? what about Japan? Saudi Arabia?
They'll be equally delegitimized? Right? Right?!
First off, I don't think Israel is a Separatist State. Second, as to your question (right? right?): They ought to be.
Where are you from, cowboy?
What qualifications would you deem acceptable for state/nationhood?
This double standard against Israel is infuriating Pastorius.
I don't understand your being infuriated with me. I am a supporter of Israel. I do not think Israel is a Separatist/Apartheid state. I don't know how I could be more clear.
What is your objection?
Are you arguing that it is a Separatist state?
Anyone who accepts ethnic nationalist support as being good for Israel is a FOOL.
CofCC, excuse me, support of groups like VB whose real issue is cultural supremacy in order to form a more perfect pallor union, want an alliance with jews the way Von Ribbentrop and Molotov looked at each other.
This is so great, pasto
Epa,
Thanks.
I believe it is almost inevitable that we will eventually have a smoking gun that this whole sudden swing by Ethnic Nationalist parties to support of Israel is motivated by the New Anti-Semitic meme.
And then, what will our ex-IBA contributors say?
Oops, I slipped and fell in a pile of racial shit and thought it was shinola?
Sure, that'll work.
When this broke out I can remember going back and forth with several members over at GoV .. to say the least...one of them came on to 'assure' me that the VB fellows were 'just fine'...and not neo nazis (I don't think they are, however they are, in that vein, at the very least APOLOGISTS for collaborators with the worst scum we can invent during the nazi era) ...months later this individual actually posted defending fascism (theoretically, old boy, I'm just sure) using EXACTLY the same reasoning that Zia ul Haq used with Barbara Walters. Seconded of course by others, who are just fine.
I posited that we should just let time dictate the verdict on VB, and then deWinter was on Shire Network News being revealed by the estimable Brian of London.
Ego will ensure that most of those on that side NEVER acknowledge the factual basis of what is OBVIOUS.
Baron and Paul Belien have been getting awfully outspoken of late. Couple that with the fact that Robert Spencer has felt the need to do what he had said he would not do again (restate his opinion on the rift in the counter-Jihad) and I deduce that something is amiss.
Out of interest, what do you deduce is amiss? And how has the Baron been getting outspoken?
Just askin'...
El Ingles
El Ingles,
I have no idea what is amiss. You would know better than I what Baron's plans are with regards to his concern about coordinating the "distributed emergence."
As to your second question, that was a poor choice of words on my part.
Paul Belien has been getting "outspoken" of late. He has written two posts in the past week or so which I thought were troubling. One was a criticism of Robert Spencer, and there was another one in which he spoke of something he referred to as "non-violent fascism."
What do you think, El Ingles? You ready to sign up with the BNP? The National Socialists?
Here's a quote from Christine Brim:
"We suggest looking for the possible movement of Le Pen’s political party Front National towards the center-right, as they may change their platform to pro-active support to improve the situations of European Jews and Israel. The same trend is happening in Austria, and with the BNP in the UK (also not invited and did not attend the conference). If such parties specifically state pro-Israel positions, and take real actions opposing anti-semitism and disavowing previous positions - and reach out to Jewish constituents and encourage Jewish participation in party positions - these are real actions to observe, and to approve. "
http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910blog/2007/11/22/haaretz-jews-for-le-pen/
Are you ready to sign up with that cause?
I think, though I would have to check to be sure, that the 'non-violent fascism' was a quote from someone else. Anyway, I don't know Paul Belien and can't say anything meaningful about him one way or the other.
The BNP are a neo-fascist party who consider the purity of the white race (whatever that is) to be of overriding importance. At best, they are a bunch of semi-reformed knuckledraggers. At worst, they are an even mix between real Nazis (REAL Nazis, I've seen the undercover documentaries) and other fairly unsavoury types. Just as I have reached the point where I will not take Muslims' protestations of 'moderation' at face value, irrespective of how genuine they may appear, I will not accept any 'evidence' of genuine reform on the part of the BNP. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. Many of their *voters* are working-class people who think they've got a crappy deal from the establishment. The party faithful, as far as I'm concerned, are beyond redemption unless they have a road-to-Damascus moment. One of the great tragedies of British politics is that we have a vacuum where the Dutch have Wilders, who is quite possibly the coolest guy on Earth (and not only because of his hair). This is very bad, very dangerous. If the BNP ever came to power, they would want to deport family members of mine, friends, people who may one day be family, and a girl I am rapidly falling in love with who lives here but is not British, and not white. Draw your own conclusions.
I will share with you a trend I have observed in my own thinking, that may be of some interest to you. It is *much* easier to be sanguine about political parties in other people's countries. I have made my position on the BNP clear. But I am relatively relaxed about the VB, and the National Alliance in Italy. Now is this simple ignorance? Or have I got them right? Or is it subtler than that, is it just that they're in a different country so I don't *have* to think about it that hard, don't *have* to worry about it so much? Think of all the idiots you've encountered talking about Al-Qaeda in Iraq as freedom fighters. They probably mean it. But would they think the same if they were living in Fallujah and the 'freedom fighters' were popping round to borrow a cup of sugar? I think they'd change their tune pretty quickly.
The difficulty in trying to gauge the value of political allies in other countries is, I feel, immense, and there has to be *some* room for legitimate disagreement. Maybe in six months' time I will think that Filip DeWinter is a scumbag, and Paul Belien too. But at the moment, things are easy for me. I just write stuff. The Baron is doing more, he's trying to get people meeting, organizing, campaigning. That's much tougher.
If you're a doctor and you have to cut out a chunk of someone's cancerous liver, how do you decide where to cut? There isn't some dotted line drawn across the damn thing. You just have to make your best guess. Cut too little, maybe the cancer kills the patient. Cut too much, maybe *you* kill the patient. That's what the Baron's trying to deal with. Maybe in a couple of years, he'll write a mea culpa, and say that defending DeWinter was the worst mistake of his life. Maybe *I'll* write a mea culpa, and say 'hell, that Baron Bodissey sure did turn out to be a Nazi asshole. Don't *I* look stupid!' But this is all happening in realtime, folks. It's not possible to mull things over for 50 years before making a decision. Imperfect information does not a Nazi make.
I've met the Baron and Christine, and they're good people, and there's not a whiff of fascism off either of them. Don't do a Charles Johnson here, guys. Don't cut out the entire liver with a hacksaw and then cycle off into the sunset congratulating yourself on it. That's a road to nowhere.
Anyway, if the BNP did start reaching out to Jews, Christine would surely be correct - it *would* be better than the alternative and therefore something to approve. Though I still wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. That's the *visceral* reaction I can't get with the VB. If the BNP ever come to power, I'll already be living in South America.
And Pastorius, I followed your comments on LGF about my now-notorious essay and Shrink's response to it. If you still haven't actually read it, what are you waiting for? Get it while it's hot!
Ingles,
BNP can never be a correct alternative. If they reform, then like HAMAS they are not the BNP and you would see a new party be born out of them. Too much baggage.
The BNP is not the conservative movement in America where we can have a William Buckley read the riot act to the racists and drum them out of the movement... they are racists and anyone who thinks they are a better alternative... no matter what they CLAIM... than other racists who go to mosques on friday is woefully lacking in judgment along the lines of Lord Halifax.
Christine is completely in the wrong. THAT IS the road to nowhere. The ultimate refuge of ethnic nationalism is RACE. EIN VOLK.
VB is a white supremacy party EXACTLY as CofCC. DeWinter both said so, and refused to deny it (Shire Network News), just as here denying the true nature of CofCC by its leader would destroy his own leadership. DeWinter's defense of amnesty for Nazi collaborators is nearly intolerable, and nearly is the word ONLY because they are dead. But why even embark on such a disgusting course? Only exceedingly tortuous explanations follow to attempt to justify the unjustifiable.
I have also seen fascism defended at GoV in the comments (Henrik, I think) with no comment about that from either the Baron or Dympha. I hope they were simply busy, but that is somewhat disturbing, and is certainly an alarm bell.
The instant anti jihadism is linked the public's mind with white supremacism, racism, justification of fascism to overcome islamism ...IT IS OVER. We lose.
The instant 'you' (generic) attempt to justify racist and or semi-fascist, or ethnic nationalist parties as a least worst alternative - CYA, we're actually on opposite sides, and both being against islamic freaks is a coincidence.
That is the reality.
We are against islamism BECAUSE it is racist and fascist, not because they are muslims.
VB is racist.
Guess where that puts many thoughtful people.
El Ingles,
That Shrinkwrapped guy went off half-cocked. I diagnose that he is suffering from an acute case of penis envy.
I was not very happy with Charles Johnson for quoting that guy's analysis as a way of criticizing your essay. There's a case of somenoe being too "sanguine" about the suffering of others simply because he does not have to live there.
I have heard and read many bloggers in the counter-Jihad movement make horrible comments about Europe. I've heard them say Europe ought to die. It's dead already. There's nothing about Europe worth saving.
I do not feel that way.
That's one of the things Baron and I have always been in agreement on.
It's interesting to me that some of the people who seem to loathe Europe the most are supporters of this move toward the VB/BNP. It is counter-intuitive. They have always told me they hate Europe's reflexive fascism and anti-Semitism, and then they support the very thing they supposedly hate.
Anyway, I don't find it easy to be sanguine about supporting neo-fascist parties, and one of the reasons is that I, like you, have family which is not white. In fact, very few of my family members are white. So, the way I think on these issues is, I imagine how my family would fit into the situation being proposed.
My mother is British, by the way, and my parents have lived in the UK for years. It is not a great leap for me to imagine myself as a European citizen.
Epa,
I've seen Conservative Swede assert, in the comments at GOV, that Jews and Catholics ought not be allowed to hold high positions in European government. As you said, there was nary a word of protest from Baron or Dymphna (none that I saw).
I'm not saying that Baron or Dymphna agree with Conservative Swede, but they do seem to be chummy with him, having quoted him on other issues, and I believe having posted his ideas and translations multiple times.
Baron and Dymphna are ok with VB and Conservative Swede and the like, but they don't like Charles Johnson. That seems strange to me, to say the least.
there's a shortage of actual information in the original article
Malcolm X admired that Jews had managed to set up Israel too, while still hating Jews
so did many Arabs actually
Good point, SK.
And if you read his infamous speech to the OIC, so did Mahathir admire the jews...and despise them.
This kind of sickness is all one, whether it's nigger, wog, wop, kike, spic, KKK, CofCC, BNP, salafist or khomeinist freak or any other disturbance of the force.
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