Wednesday, September 17, 2008

Diana West, the Washington Times, Francis Coombs, the SPLC and some people who are our friends

TOP POST OF THE DAY -
There are a LOT of links in here .. take the time to analyze! It's worth it, no matter your conclusion.

celtic cross stormfront.jpgPastorius' post about the ill advised Diana West defense of the desirous of a White Europe, Vlaams Belang has raised an even uglier issue about the stage she has been on at the Washington Times.

I have complained many times that the effort to have a secure border is penetrated to noticeable fraction by forces to whom a secure border is a means to the end of keeping OTHER out. Other than what? Other than those who support the ideals of the Celtic cross. (This kind of stupidity can be traced all the way back to the change of cultures represented by the election of Andrew Jackson)

While this does not discredit the idea of a secure border (which has NOTHING to do with immigration BTW, only people illegally crossing the border), it makes the idea far more difficult to defend, and assert. For time which could be spent elucidating why a secure border is a good idea is spent instead on deflecting suspicions (no, I don't think Tancredo's a racist, but he needed some more diligent homework done, AND SO DO WE) that we are in fact, advocating for a white(r) America as the ends.

And so to the repeated, futile attempts to dissimulate over the White Europe of Vlaams Belang, etc. including the latest ill fated attempt.

Diana West, long employed by the Washington Times, and author of many really great columns, and a fine book is not exempt by being correct in one area, from being dreadfully wrong in others...AT BEST. This brings us to examining those who are behind her, and perhaps their aims, and those who left the employ of the Washington Times, and why. This goes to the heart of what is commonly thought of as the conservative movement.

So let's mark the ground a bit
Pat Buchanan is not a conservative. He is probably a racist. Some of the ideas which are required to make an 'intelligent' defense of his inner compulsions sound like conservatism.
Barry Goldwater was a conservative, and his remarks on religion, sexual preference, and race, and his deeds prove it.
William Buckley was conservative, and notably spent a hell of a lot of effort to destroy the forces of racism in the conservative movement

The Managing Editor of the Washing Times, and one of Ms. West's ultimate bosses, was for a very long time, Francis Coombs. We are going to consider the words of some places normally thought of as anathema, like THE NATION, but watch for facts, such as the words of his wife.

SPLC (frame of reference, the Southern Poverty Law Center, an old line civil rights organization of long standing, responsible for the destruction of Aryan Nation is a left leaning, open borders group ...believing that the entire secure borders movement is ultimately racist):

Media Extremism
Washington Times Cleans Out Extremists
Read the Hatewatch Blog

The Washington Times has appointed a new executive editor, marking a major change in direction for the perennially money-losing paper that is owned by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon. John Solomon, a former Associated Press and Washington Post reporter, replaces Wesley Pruden, who was editor-in-chief for 16 years.

Solomon's appointment may mark the end of a tumultuous period for the hard-right Times, which included a spate of extremely bad press such as "Hell of a Times," a devastating exposé of racism and sexism at the paper that was published in The Nation in October 2006. The negative coverage apparently took its toll on newsroom morale. Several prominent staffers -- including Washington insider Tony Blankley, the newspaper's editorial page editor and former press secretary for then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), and FOX News contributor Bill Sammon -- have left the organization in the past year.

The appointment of Solomon means that Pruden's once-important vision for the future of the paper, which has a reputation for shoddy journalism, will not come to pass. Pruden told C-SPAN in 2005 that he thought his managing editor, Francis Booth Coombs (who claims on his personal website to have been "in many ways the chief architect of Washington Times news coverage"), should ultimately replace him. But Coombs, whose bigotry has been detailed in the Intelligence Report and who has been accused of racism by former Times employees, also announced his retirement in January.

Coombs' wife, Marian, has written extremist material for white supremacist publications, and Coombs has actually published several of her stories in the Times. As revealed by the Report in 2005, some of those stories relied on explicitly racist sources.

One of Coombs' favorite editors, Robert Stacy McCain, is a foe of interracial marriage and a former member of the white supremacist League of the South. (McCain resigned from the Times a few days after Solomon's hire was announced.) Coombs' personal website was created and registered by George McDaniel, who has worked for and been published by the racist American Renaissance journal. Possibly even more damaging were March 2007 allegations that Marian Coombs had associated with neo-Nazi leader Bill White, whose website is filled with attacks on Jews and blacks.

During Pruden and Coombs' tenure, the Times had on its staff other extremists besides McCain. Sam Francis, who would serve as editor in the late 1990s and early 2000s for the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, was the paper's deputy editorial page editor from 1987 to 1991 and then a columnist until 1995. Francis was fired that year after conservative author Dinesh D'Souza wrote about racist remarks Francis had made at a 1994 American Renaissance conference.

Even so, when Francis died in 2005, the Times wrote a glowing obituary. The article completely omitted Francis' 1995 firing from the Times and his prolific writings for white supremacist publications, describing him instead as "a leading voice of traditional conservatism."

Well, take a look around at McDaniel, at the American Renaissance movement.
All this, with some research leads to suspicious webs of connections, making the conservative movement SEEM as permeated with white superiority freaks, as the progressive movement is permeated with America (property) hating socialists.

So what does this mean?

We have been extremely skeptical here about connections between Ayers and Obama being meaningless, and we should apply here, the same rule. Did Diana West leave because Coombs and Pruden's demise had meaning? Did she leave BECAUSE of Coombs? Or will there be a Jeremiah Wright-Obama like denial that she ever had knowledge of Coombs 'persuasions'?

Is she defending those who wish a white europe because that is a vision she shares having been at the Times and jihadi freaks are simply a near enemy evidence of the first step required? Or is she simply TRAGICALLY, and HISTORICALLY in error?

I have seen many rejections of the idea that VB are fascists, but I maintain it doesn't matter. We don't need to get that far. They want white europe under the code of cultural hertage.

Here in the USA we have the CofCC, which is very little different in their desired outcome.

Does Ms. West seek to use them as allies in the fight against the Qaradawi's?
Worse still, why do our friends EXCUSE RACISM TO DEFEND "FREEDOM", and continue to raise this flag, COMPELLING THOSE FOES OF RACISM TO RAISE THEIR VOICES?

JIhadism cannot be defeated by alliance with forces of White Europe, or the CofCC. Such alliances instead GIVE STRENGTH to those who wish to see us defeated, and our way of life ruined.

Such alliances hold back those who consider our arguments, but fear these 'allies', and the entire counter jihad movement because of them.

Such alliances WILL end this movement by adding in, except for their color, exactly the kind of people we seek to defeat, especially as the military defeat of the Al Qaeda's occur in faraway places.

Vlaams Belang's leader has had YEARS to discredit the idea that what he wants (White Europe) is more than the pathetic 'metaphor' defense he used.

It's time for our friends who are defending people who seek white dominance in Europe to fall away from such things, and to eschew a simple and blantant rejection of these ideas on this post, as the rantings of some backsliding 'liberal' afraid to 'make pact with Stalin to defeat Hitler'.

This ain't that.

Think I'm dreamin' ??






blankley.jpgNow that editors Wes Pruden and Frances Coombs have stepped aside, some kids inside the Washington Times newsroom are speculatiing that former editorial page editor Tony Blankley may be interested in rejoining the team. He joined a public relations firm in September, some say, because he was unhappy with the leadership of Pruden and Coombs. With John Solomon now in charge, he may want to stage a comeback.


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43 comments:

Always On Watch said...

Despite being in the Washington area, I was unaware of all these roilings at the Washington Times. Then again, I don't subscribe to the paper.

And I had been wondering what happened to Blankley's columns in the paper.

Excellent post, Epa. And you've stated the danger for the counter-jihad very well:

JIhadism cannot be defeated by alliance with forces of White Europe, or the CofCC. Such alliances instead GIVE STRENGTH to those who wish to see us defeated, and our way of life ruined.

Such alliances hold back those who consider our arguments, but fear these 'allies', and the entire counter jihad movement because of them.


In fact, when I first started blogging, I got accused of being a racist. But back then, those accusers didn't have nearly as much ammunition as they do now.

Anonymous said...

I will finish reading this piece carefully but for now I want to address this statement:

"(which has NOTHING to do with immigration BTW, only people illegally crossing the border)"

Disagree. This and and more is why. This country is on a suicidal path - legally.

Anonymous said...

Once again . . .I'll continue reading after addressing this:

"that we are in fact, advocating for a white(r) America as the ends."

No. We are advocating for one law, the law of this nation. We advocate that no alien population (regardless of race)will be permitted to inflict it's seditious unyielding political/religious doctrine to usurp existing universal human rights and national laws.

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Anonymous said...

SPLC? No agenda there, eh EPA?

While I won't defend any racial supremacist - I will not dismiss the Washington Times based on this post. The WT has been one of the only papers to print articles addressing issues of concern to counter-jihad.

I will simply keep my focus on a very narrow aspect of this topic - the conflict of interest created by sharia/islam and western jurisprudence/civil rights. Everything else is unsavory distraction.

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Epaminondas said...

The SPLC's agenda is RACISM.

Destroying aryan nation is a work of the righteous.

The rest is incidental.

View what is written as a search for OBJECTIVE REALITY, not a political polemic.

The groups they mention in connection with the Times are REPREHENSIBLE, nor are they (SPLC) ALONE in doing so.

More, Moon, to his credit has apparently cleaned their clocks at the management level. I will continue to quote Bill Gertz, and certainly should Tony Blankely return, that will say a lot

I have no problem with administering a single law, that is as it should be.

Your links provide NO differentiation from the immigration laws REPEALED in 1924 which made America great. If Swift had granted every religion days off, that would be fine with me.

Do you think for an instant that the WASP's had anything in common with the FAR GREATER % influx which occurred between ~1890 and WW1? (about 27% immigration compared to total population if memory serves)

The complaints over different cultures arriving and changing America has gone on since Andrew Jackson got elected.

The only thing that counts is that these people want to become Americans, not some inner sea of other which has no intention of becoming Americanized or is here to force America to become like someplace else because they think they have a heaven sent responsibility to do so.

That's NOT immigration.

But this is not about all that. It is about people who warn about jihad, stealth and real, defending and accepting knowingly or otherwise racism in order to have all allies possible, and about people like us doing their due diligence about what we are told.

Anonymous said...

Ideals of the Celtic Cross?

The Celtic Cross is the symbol of the Celtic Church, which was outlawed at the synod of Whitby in 664 A.D. for being too tolerant.

The symbol you display is Odin's cross, which is something entirely different and has a pagan rather than Christian origin.

This is a Celtic Cross http://www.freefoto.com/images/1033/13/1033_13_9---Celtic-Cross--Holy-Island--Northumberland_web.jpg

Epaminondas said...

Nice try.

Stormfront and David Duke PRIDE THEMSELVES on their 'christian heritage'

HERE

Whatever they wish to call it, or you, or Mr. Dewinter, it's meaning is clear without any translation.

As many sites agree

In somewhat different forms

I hardly think the KKK, or any of the so called Christian heritage organizations would adopt a pagan symbol.

In whatever form, the signal is clear

Anonymous said...

The Celtic Cross can always be distinguished from other crosses by its KNOTWORK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_knot


Knotwork symbolises the interrelatedness of all phenomena appearing to the Druidic mind (eg Merlin in the Arthurian legends).

Crosses without knotwork are not Celtic.

Pastorius said...

Epa,
I'm pretty sure you've got the cross thing wrong.

What's your point?

Also, let me once again point out that the SPLC is way behind the times when it comes to the Islamic threat. Being that it ignores the Islamic threat, I think it is fair to say it has an "agenda."

Every fucking month the SPLC's newsletter goes on and on about white supremacism, as if that's the major racial problem in the world.

It's absurd to even suggest that it's the major racial problem in the United States.

Why is it that I keep repeating this to you and never get any acknowledgement? Is it that you disagree? If so, state your reasons, and I will make my case.

The reason you are being criticized by these Anonymous writers is, in my opinion, because you are not acknowledging some basic flaws in the SPLC.

Epaminondas said...

Even if you are correct, and the number of sites indicates not, it is, for the meaning conveyed, which is ALL THAT COUNTS, a distinction without a difference.

Again, the KKK, Stormfront, David Duke all carry before them that kind of symbol to emphasize their so called (white)christian heritage.

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Pastorius said...

Epa, if you are going to continue saying there is no difference between the Celtic Cross and the White Pride Cross, you are going to have to make a better case than that.

Pastorius said...

Epa,
You said: "the KKK, Stormfront, David Duke all carry before them that kind of symbol to emphasize their so called (white)christian heritage."

What's your point?

It's not a distinction without a difference. One means one thing and it consistently used to represent white pride, and one is used on churches around the world.

They arent' the same thing.

Why are you saying they are? Are Christians the same thing as White Pride advocates?

Pastorius said...

Google images:

Aryan cross:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=aryan%20cross&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Celtic Cross:

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&q=celtic+cross

Pastorius said...

Just for the record, I looked up Stormfront on Wiki and I see no mention of Christianity.

The Christian Identity movement, on the other hand, is a racist Christian movement.

Epaminondas said...

Pasto please check google images and you'll find quite a spread indicating no consistency in what is considered celtic and as I said it's a distinction without a difference, and by the way...

HERE is the SPLC a subject closer, I also had MANY links outside of the SPLC in the post

You also need to consider that they are focused on those groups responsible for acts.

I believe I'll have a gander at the FBI stats for recorded acts

Pastorius said...

Also, note that the Official Aryan Nations website doesn't really identify the Aryan Nations as a Christian organization. It mentions the word Christian once, in reference to its roots, but then goes on to identify itself with hundreds more words, none of which reference Christianity:

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:3ylU86HH5A8J:www.aryan-nations.org/about.htm+aryan+nations+christian&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

Pastorius said...

Epa,
You said: You also need to consider that they are focused on those groups responsible for acts. I believe I'll have a gander at the FBI stats for recorded acts


I say: C'mon, you think the Jihadists of America don't deserve an SPLC cover every now and then?

Do you get the SPLC newsletter?

I have to see the fucking thing every month, that's why I go on and on about it every time you bring up the SPLC.

Last time you and I discussed this, you justified your support of the SPLC with reference to its history. That seems reasonable to me. However, if you look at its continuing and purposeful ignoring the of the Jihadist threat, I would have to say the SPLC is an organization which has completely outlived its usefulness.

Epaminondas said...

Noen of these groups is actually christian..HOW CAN THEY BE?

Neither was the Dutch Reformed Church?

They all spring from the same place...Nathan Bedford Forrest

Pastorius said...

For instance, Google

"Souther Poverty Law Center 9/11" and what do you get?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&pwst=1&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=southern+poverty+law+center+9/11&spell=1

"Southern Poverty Law Center World Trade Center Attacks"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=southern+poverty+law+center+world+trade+center+attacks

Here is the SPLC reaction to the WTC attacks:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=159

Epaminondas said...

How does THIS fit an agenda

Epaminondas said...

And yes, I get the intelligence report every quarter, did you even LOOK at the links I just posted?

Pastorius said...

Tell me why you are so interested in the idea that White Supremacism and Christianity are linked.

You know, there is no Biblical basis for such a link. Therefore, any link is wrong. And, considering the numbers of Aryan Nations types, compared to the number of Christians, the "link" is an aberration.

Epaminondas said...

Pastorius I posted the main articles from the SPLC, one of which was on muslim antisemitism, and the other on a black 'jewish' supremacist group.

Maybe our posts have crossed .. I can't see how you can possibly respond as you have if you have read anything I have posted in the last hours

Epaminondas said...

Pastorius....STOP and look above...here is a post SEVEN POSTS AGO...

None of these groups is actually christian..HOW CAN THEY BE?

Neither was the Dutch Reformed Church?

They all spring from the same place...Nathan Bedford Forrest


The KKK, they called themselves the "CHRISTIAN KNIGHTS"...why do you think I have been putting this in quotes?

Pastorius said...

Ok, i'm posting as much info as I can here, so I missed your link about "Anti-Semitism" from SPLC.

It's Jihadism, and it's directed at the Christians as well as Jews.

Look, i'm the guy who started CUANAS. There's a good reason for that. Because I care. However, I'm going to call a spade a spade. the SPLC is a lamep-assed organization when it comes to fighting Jihad. They act as if the threat is not a worldwide thing directed at Infidels everywhere.

That is the definition of an "agenda."

They are focused on anti-Semitism and they don't acknowledge the totality of the threat. I find it offensive.

Pastorius said...

Epa,

You said; Pastorius....STOP and look above...here is a post SEVEN POSTS AGO...

None of these groups is actually christian..HOW CAN THEY BE?

Neither was the Dutch Reformed Church?

They all spring from the same place...Nathan Bedford Forrest

The KKK, they called themselves the "CHRISTIAN KNIGHTS"...why do you think I have been putting this in quotes?



I say: Ok, then what's your point about the Celtic Cross.

The Anonymous commenter had a good point and you attacked him.

Pastorius said...

It is personally offensive to me when asshole Jihadists put the swastika in the middle of the Star of David.

And, it is personally offensive to me when anyone tries to conflate Christianity and White Supremacism.

Pastorius said...

Just to be clear, my problem here is not with your post. it is with the fact that you seemed to scold the Anonymous commenter for pointing out the distinction between the Celtic Cross and the Aryan Cross.

The distinction exists, in my opinion. I don't think you ought to simply dismiss it, as if the guy had no point.

Pastorius said...

Just so other people know:

CUANAS is an organization I started in my church. It is

Christians United Against the New Anti-Semitism

Pastorius said...

And, furthermore, for the record, IBA was started by me and a guy named J (who rarely posts here anymore, though he did post last week).

J is Jewish. He lives in the UK.

IBA was started when I wrote a post about the ADL and stated that they, like the SPLC, are an organization which have outlived their usefulness. I pointed out that CUANAS, and other sites, do the same work as the ADL, but do not ask for money to do it. What's more, the ADL is mostly involved in fighting old battles, and is not very focused on the Jihadist threat (though they are moreso than the SPLC).

In my post, I said, "We ought to start a group blog of people who focus on the new anti-Semitism."

J said, "Let's do it."

And, IBA was born.

IBA very quickly became much more than a blog focused on anti-Semitism.

The title of the blog itself transformed the meaning of the group. We are Infidels, which means, everyone the Jihadists hate.

This is, as I say, all for the record. It is worth noting in light of this discussion.

Epaminondas said...

What was his point?

If you search google images for that you will find crosses without circle, with circles and what you have referred to as the white pride cross ... including wikimedia which shows what I posted as a celtic cross.

The symbol seems pretty clear to me.

THIS is not THIS, a celtic cross from wikimedia

There are many others, some without circles. It's use in content is it's meaning.

I didn't pull the meaning out of the air ... in a previous post's research when looking up the actual symbol on Duke's site, that's the identifier ...

Pastorius said...

I must not be understanding you.

I honestly don't understand what you are saying.

This last comment of yours seems to acknowledge that you do see the difference between the Celtic Cross and the White Pride Cross.

Am I right?

Epaminondas said...

Pasto if you read the SPLC intelligence report, you'll find it is NOT focused on anti semitism, AT ALL.

Get on their site, click on the intelligence report, and scan the articles..you'll see quickly that's simply incorrect.

There is currently no org I agree with totally .. and this is no different. They are dead wrong on the border, and they worry too much about white supremacist groups compared to other threats, but I think you'll find that is changing

For instance in this report the main articles (and there are more in the actual mag) are about a violent blakc supremacist group which considers itself jewish, muslim anti semitism on campus, the american legion's anti immigration campaign, and some freak ass growing Florida group called Joel's Army

Never the less, let's not lose track of the facts that support what they have said about the Times, which finds correlative support in many other places.

And let's be happy that corrective action was taken there

Epaminondas said...

you said...
"This last comment of yours seems to acknowledge that you do see the difference between the Celtic Cross and the White Pride Cross."

NO. I am saying there is no clear definition as demonstrated by the breadth of images, crosses with or without circles, and with all legs equal or not, and thus back to the beginning it is a distinction without a difference since it's meaning is in it's content. It means one thing on a church and another with David Duke.

And now, I have a 6 AM mtg ...''


Relax

Epaminondas said...

Thanks Sally, I'll cherish that memory !

Pastorius said...

Epa,

You said: " ... in this report the main articles (and there are more in the actual mag) are about a violent blakc supremacist group which considers itself jewish, muslim anti semitism on campus, the american legion's anti immigration campaign, and some freak ass growing Florida group called Joel's Army"

I say: Good. that's good to hear.


You said: let's not lose track of the facts that support what they have said about the Times, which finds correlative support in many other places. And let's be happy that corrective action was taken there "


I say: I'm with you on this. I think your post here is very important. I'm just not into equating Christianity and White Supremacism. As long as we are all clear on that, fine. Heck, you are entitled to your opinion. Certainly, there are atheists and Objectivists here with whom I don't agree on many issues. When they comment, I point out to them where I disagree. That's me expressing my opinion. I don't require people agree with my opinion.

However, I can be a total asshole when I do express my opinion.

Sorry about that.

Pastorius said...

Sally,
Whatever. Clearly, this is not a dating site.

Always On Watch said...

The evolution of these symbols may be quite complex. Just by happenstance, yesterday I watched a 2006 documentary entitled Beowulf and the Anglo-Saxons. I got the film from Netflix to use as part of my literature class's study of the epic poem Beowulf.

Although much in the film is directly related to the course I teach, I was also struck by the melding of pagan cultures, particularly those of Scandinavian and Germanic tribes, and Christianity. In the film, one can view ROUND shields with cross or crosslike emblems. I was immediately stuck by the resemblance to the graphic in Epa's posting here.

The film also showed some of the latticework carvings such as those associated with the Celtic cross.

BTW, when I drew a sketch of the graphic here on the board, one student, a history scholar, immediately recognized the significance of it and whispered "Nazis!" The teachable moment, and you can bet that I took advantage of it.

Pastorius said...

First off, I don't believe we can absolutely identify the origins of white supremacism.

That being said, I do believe it is very clear that paganism is, ideologically, more involved in blood ties than is Christianity.

Therefore, it seems obvious to me that Paganism would be more interested in racialism.

When Christianity is involved in raicialism, as in the Christian Identity movement, I would point out that its ideological foundation is "British Zionism", which is the idea that the British people are the chosen people of God.

This is a pagan idea in itself, in that it is of blood, not idea.

The Judeo-Christian tradition teaches that God spoke the world into existence. Therefore, the world is made up of words. Therefore, we can unravel truths with words. Words are the key, which is another way of saying that God is reasonable.

Additionally, we are, in Christian though, all ONE IN THE BLOOD.

We are not separate bloods, but are one in the blood of Christ.

Judaism and Christianity are the opposite of Paganism.

Pastorius said...

Celtic Cross vs. Aryan Cross

Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_cross

The vast majority of Celtic crosses today are made for personal use. This is a departure from medieval and Celtic Revival times when the symbol was more typically a public monument. The contemporary Celtic cross is popular in jewelry, T-shirts, tattoos, coffee cups and other items. It has also been used extensively as grave markers since its revival in the 1850s. Versions of the Celtic cross are used by the Northern Ireland national football team and the Gaelic Athletic Association.

Variations of the Celtic cross or the sun cross (sun wheel) from which it is derived, have been adopted by some white nationalist, neo-Nazi and neo-fascist groups. Their version of the Celtic cross is used by these groups to symbolize the Aryan race. They usually use a simplified geometric variation of the design with simple lines, without any of the ornamental complexity of traditional Celtic crosses (sometimes with the arms not extending outside the circle).

Pastorius said...

The reason I post the above info from Wikipedia is to make the point that the Aryan Cross is generally known to be a simplified version of the Celtic Cross.

As it states, the Aryan Cross OFTEN (or should we say usually?) does not feature the arms of the cross extending beyond the circle.

Note the cross at the top of Epa's post. The cross doesn't extend outside the circle.

If you think about it, this is metaphorically, exactly what I was saying in words. The circle is a pagan symbol representing the sun. In the Aryan cross, the circle encompasses the cross.

In Christianity, nothing encompasses the cross.

And, I would add, the fact that anyone ever confuses the pagan imagery of the sun with the cross is evidence that there are, in many cases, melding of Christianity and Paganism.

Epaminondas said...

I don't care if they use the star of david as their symbol, or a picture of the Redskins' tight end's schvantz .. if David Duke, Stormfront, and other freaks are displaying THAT symbol it's for a reason.

It's an icon to tell you who they are and what they believe.

When you see it turn up in other places, that holds the meaning it carries.

It wouldn't matter if it was the celtic cross, a dragon's heart, the pope's hat, the entire western wall or if they co opted some other religious icon with very sensitive meaning.

When you see the 'whatever you want to call it' on "someone's" desk, shelf, office mantle .. time to focus your attention, and ask some probing questions.

Pastorius said...

My point is that this is not a Christian idea. It is Pagan.

And, the Christians who profess it are also more inclined to Paganism.