I am against all jihadis on an ideological ground. It has nothing to do with race. It seems IBA is wagging a “jihad” against the BNP. It seems they have been reading LGF too much. I am an American and I admit that I do not know that much about the BNP. To my knowledge some of the BPN leaders are pro Nazi. McCain was old and for open borders it does not mean all the republicans that supported him where old and for open borders. He was just the lesser of two evils IMHO. To my knowledge the BNP party is not a Nazi party. I think Meline Philps is wrong in saying this
“For the BNP is truly a racist party which stands for a racially pure Britain. Pretending that it merely wants to preserve British culture, it actually believes that anyone who is not white or is a Jew will pollute that culture.”
Is my instinct right and is Melanie wrong or is the BNP really so misguided? Why is the IBA waging a “jihadi” against the BNP? Until I get answers I am now longer going to link to one of my favorite sites, the IBA. But feel free to read “What does Losing Really Mean?” if you want. IMHO it is one of the best blog post I have ever read.
Pastorius said...
Mr. Smith, Yes, you are correct in saying that you and I would disagree on the meaning of assimilation. Additionally, you and I strongly disagree on the importance of race.
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 30, 2007 10:44:00 PM "Holocaust minimization is when a man questions the number of people who were killed in the Holocaust, as if it were true that were there only 4 million killed, it would make the situation any different." I see. So questioning the accepted version of details is anathema also, is it? Whatever happened to freedom of thought?
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 30, 2007 10:46:00 PM Pastorius, Do you KNOW that 6 million were killed? Refer me to that source!
Do we all agree on the official version of 9/11? I don't, does that make me a 9/11 denier? Griffin is no more an anti Jew for questioning the official version of the holocaust than I am for questioning the official version of 9/11.
Pastorius, YOUR question is strange to me. Nick Griffin, you say, is guilty of 'Holocaust Minimilaztion (your words) as if you KNOW 6 million Jews died (as a result of Nazi gas-chambers)when in fact there isn't a shred of evidence that '6million' (that's some grave) were murdered in this way. True, a lot of Jews were killed by the Nazi's (even more Russians were killed by Stalin, but we'll ignore that, as usual) but if Nick Griffin questions the authority of this 6 million figure, I fail to see how that makes him anti-Jewish. I question the 3000 that died on 9/11, but I am not anti-American. I just question the 'official' version of events. Christ, did I really need to spell that out?
BFB, Turkey questions the legitimacy of calling the Armenian situation by the name of "genocide." It doesn't fit with their version of history. Many black Americans believe that a white man invented AIDS to kill off the black man. You don't believe that 3,000 people were killed on 9/11 (for whatever reason.) Nick Griffin does not believe that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust. All of you call your questions "historical inquiry." That's what I'm babbling about.
Where's 'Darkie' gone? I was looking forward to asking him if Nelson Mandela was a 'black supremesist' or if blacks were immune to that label? I need a 'darkie' to enlighten me, coz, as a white guy, what do I know? So, Nigger, was Nelson a racist? Or is he off the hook for having 'darkie' skin? You can answer that one, Pastorius...can't you?
Hahaha!!!! BFB..I haven't replied because I was leaving you the rope to hang yourself...knowing your one brain cell wouldn't recognise an ambush....after your racist tirades it is now irrelevant whether or not you deny that BNP supporters are racist!!!....Nobody else has used racist language on this thread....So to any body that actually isn't racist....it is blatantly obvious that you are...! Fucking idiot!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! I Piss on you dumbass!! Cheers MATE!....OH PS keep on posting to yourself...as nobody else is paying attention...BFB is it Big Fat Bastard....or Sad Lonely Bastatard?
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 31, 2007 11:20:00 AM NIGGER! Is Nelson Mandela a BLACK SUPREMACIST? Answer the fucking question!
ETC.
It goes on like that.
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The BNP consists of four main types of supporter (which may overlap):
(1) Ethnic nationalists
(2) Cultural nationalists
(3) Economic nationalists
(4) Anglospherists
For many years it consisted only of (1), and remained a tiny fringe party, but since it made itself attractive to (2), (3) and (4) its support has increased massively and is now seriously worrying the Establishment.
I agree with you, and for that reason I am tired of the attacks on IBA for telling the truth.
If the BNP would make a concerted effort to modernize and oust the Ethnic Nationalists from it's party I would feel differently.
Until then, this casigation of IBA for telling the truth is FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
Concerns are valid and alarming. Now, how to get 2, 3 & 4 to align separately from 1. Any ideas? Time is a luxury these enlightened folks cannot afford to waste.
Hmm, I was getting ready to leave this at avid editor but saw Pasto's article. So, if there's redundancy in here then I apologize to Pastorius (haven't read yours yet)
from the Constitution of the British National Party:
2) The political objectives of the party are set out in the following Statement of
Principles:-
(a) The British National Party is a party of British Nationalism, committed to the
principle of national sovereignty in all British affairs. It is pledged to the restoration
of the unity and integrity of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland. It believes that the indigenous peoples of the entire British Isles, and
their descendants overseas, form a single brotherhood of peoples, and is pledged
therefore to adapt or create political, cultural, economic and military institutions
with the aim of fostering the closest possible partnership between these peoples.
(b) The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic
character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial
integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed
to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by
legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the
British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.
SECTION 2: MEMBERSHIP
1) The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political,
Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous
Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as
closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the
European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined
within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal
ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic
groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of
Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL.
2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous
Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic
Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The
Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic
Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The
Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The
Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic
groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.
3) Membership of the party shall be open only to those who are 16 years of age or over
and whose ethnic origin is listed within Sub-section 2
ok, from the British National Party Manifesto from BBC Online:
Our Agenda for Change
On current demographic trends we, the native British people, will be an ethnic
minority in our own country within sixty years. By 2020, an extra 5-7 million
immigrants will have entered Britain, whilst immigrant communities already resident
here are having more children than the indigenous British people. The estimates for
the numbers of illegal immigrants resident in the country vary from 250,000 to over a
million.
To ensure that we do not become a minority in our own homeland, and that the
native British peoples of our islands retain their culture and identity, we call for an
immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of all bogus
asylum seekers, all criminal entrants and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a
system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants and their descendants
who are legally here are afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic
origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the
countries in question.
We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes
...We do not accept the absurd superstition – propagated for different
though sometimes overlapping reasons by capitalists, liberals, Marxists and
theologians - of human equality. Whether the now totally discredited feminist
argument that men and women are innately the same, to the partly refuted egalitarian
claim that everyone within a given population is born as a blank slate with the same
innate potential, or to the still dominant Politically Correct denial of the existence of
differences on average between members of different races – we reject all these
irrational myths.
This must not be taken to mean or imply that we believe that any particular ethnic
group or race is ‘superior’ or ‘inferior’; we simply recognise that – as any biologist
would be able to predict, and the new medical science of pharmacogenetics is now
confirming – human populations which have undergone micro-evolutionary changes
while being separated for many thousands of years have developed differences in
many fields of endeavour, susceptibility to health problems, behavioural tendencies
and such like.
from The Guardian: He wrote in his own publication, The Rune: 'I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that 6m Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.'
Now, this is not even a scratch of what's out there, written by spoken by believed in by BNP leaders and members themselves. And damn if it isn't all on Wikipedia! What!? you say. That useless bunch of incorrectness? Well, the links themselves to party documents and interviews don't lie. Let's take this straight from wikipedia: Racial and immigration policies
At its founding, the BNP was explicitly racist. In October 1990, the BNP was described by the European Parliament's committee on racism and xenophobia as an "openly Nazi party … whose leadership have serious criminal convictions [sic]".[92] When asked in 1993 if the BNP was racist, its deputy leader Richard Edmonds said, "We are 100 per cent racist, yes".[92] Founder John Tyndall proclaimed that "Mein Kampf is my bible".[93] When Nick Griffin became chairman in 1999, the party began to change its stance with regard to racial issues. Griffin claims to have repudiated racism, instead espousing what he calls "ethno-nationalism". He claims that his core ideology is "concern for the well-being of the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish ethnic nations that compose the United Kingdom".
The BNP publicly disavows any interest in white supremacy, which it defines as the "wish to rule over foreign peoples"; detractors[who?] consider this definition overly narrow. The BNP requires that all members must be members of the "Indigenous Caucasian" racial group.[19] The party does not regard non-white people as being British, even if they have been born in the UK and are naturalized British citizens. Instead, Griffin has stated that "non-Europeans who stay", while protected by British law, "will be regarded as permanent guests".[94]
The BNP is opposed to mixed-race relationships on the stated ground that racial differences must be preserved; it claims that when a white person produces a mixed-race child, "a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed." The party does however have a half-Turkish Cypriot, half-English councillor in Lawrence Rustem.[95][96] In 2006, Sharif Abdel Gawad, a grandson of an Armenian refugee (also of partial Greek ancestry), was chosen as a council candidate in Bradford. The selection was reported to have caused some dissent within parts of the BNP,[97] however, it was defended by the BNP leadership who said "ordinary members can rest assured that Sharif Gawad is not a racial alien. Sharif, despite his name, is white and British and the British National Party is staying true to its core principles".[17] "Mr Gawad fulfilled the BNP criteria of being "a member of the white European race of people", they affirmed.[98]
GO ahead, pop over there I'll make it easy for you cut (no running with scissors!) and paste (clean up your mess) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Racial_and_immigration_policies
then follow their annotations and links.
Then, is you still think we're on a witch hunt here, well, sod off.
Thanks for that. Also, as to your Wiki comment - any Wiki article is only as good as its footnotes and links.
Some have superb notes - others, not so much.
Ro
I agree with your wiki statement, Ro, and that article is packed with links to originals.
BNP supporters won't listen to our arguments so we have to hand their own words back to them. I also wound up leaving it, with a few choice word amendments, at avid editor's post disavowing IBA as well.
AnN I understand, as Pasto states, that many are not racist but just trying to save their culture.
I have a little harder time saying they didn't know about it (my words, not Pasto's). To me that would be akin to Obama not knowing about Rev. Wright for 20 yrs. And we excoriated him for that. Rightly so.
The good honest non0racist supporters need to open their eyes admit the problem and change the BNP to make it a better alternative to what exists. Or get out of the party and start another (easier said than done).
You don't like the preacher, either get him out of the pulpit or yourself out of the pew.
Wow.
WOW.
I just don't get it. Here you have this perfectly overripe plum of an ideology just hanging there in your faces like a skanky testicle, with warts and parasites and all, and instead of just reaching out and stomping it mercilessly into the dirt, the British defenders instead reach (once again) into the bag of useless tools to pull out ... wait for it ... THE ALWAYS CHIC NOT- QUITE-RIGHT-TONE-OF-THE-DERMIS CRITIQUE! Yippee! That'll work out good.
Hey, fuck FREEDOM - oh no, that would never motivate anyone in Europe to fight back against a totalitarian ideology hellbent on world conquest and destruction. And likewise fuck fighting back in time, yet again, so that other nations around the globe don't have to get sucked into the vortex with you. Feh.
/rant
"would never motivate anyone in Europe"
Geert, Orianna, Bat 'Yeor, Pat Condel, Melanie Phillips, KW, and some other notable, and for the most part vilified anti-jihad types excepted, of course.
there´s a campaign to demonize the BNP. it started by the same team who made the campaign for obama.
who´s paying it? who´s giving the money $ to demonize the BNP?
As a brit would I rather live under sharia law or under the only party pledged to prevent that?
Go figure.
Let the BNP define itself.
They do.
"Nick Griffin, you say, is guilty of 'Holocaust Minimilaztion (your words) as if you KNOW 6 million Jews died (as a result of Nazi gas-chambers)when in fact there isn't a shred of evidence that '6million' (that's some grave) were murdered in this way.
True, a lot of Jews were killed by the Nazi's (even more Russians were killed by Stalin, but we'll ignore that, as usual) but if Nick Griffin questions the authority of this 6 million figure, I fail to see how that makes him anti-Jewish."
Nothing more clearly defines the BNP than allowing people (and they are at the core, and the history) with an inner compulsion to deny the facts whose documentation was begun in the logs of US Army Units, carried out in detail by people like Rudolf Hoess, and defended in science, history and the courts BEYOND QUESTION.
The inner compulsion of people like BFB to run to such beliefs, ignorances, and myths IS THE FACTOR which makes the BNP not only unacceptable as a vehicle for counter jihad, but the PROOF of the jihadism claim about islamophobia...that it is racism.
Any thinking person euchred into support of the BNP is a KERENSKY.
And last anon.... my speech, money and efforts went in 100% against Obama. Your belief that Soros et al are demonizing the BNP is frankly a childish delusion.
THE BNP HAS DEMONIZED THE BNP
GET IT?
And last anon.... my speech, money and efforts went in 100% against Obama. Your belief that Soros et al are demonizing the BNP is frankly a childish delusion.
THE BNP HAS DEMONIZED THE BNP
GET IT?
REALLY?
What´s this?
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/
There seem to be many comments criticizing the BNP, and to be honest I think fairly. However sometimes I believe in a pragmatic approach, for instance just as many posters would abhor the idea of racial purity, how about the concept of idealogical purity? Basically I'm saying that you don't have to completely agree with an organizations viewpoint in order to find common ground. Also the best way to influence is often to dialog.
Lastly its important to note, people can change their minds, I know I have, and I'm happy to admit I've often been wrong. Thankfully people are often prepared to talk to me and help me refine my viewpoints and perspectives. In context Nick Griffin said some things he probably now regrets. I'm not going to use past statements which haven't been repeated for many years, as a stick to beat him up. I'd rather concentrate on what he says now as current statements are probably a better barometer of his current thoughts.
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