I'd like to see a Celebrity Death Match claymation video of Pamela vs. Bob Beckel.
I imagine Pamela ripping this guys brain out through his nose, only to find that it is a blood and slime covered Queeran, which she then, promptly shoves up his ass, until he explodes like a suicided bomber, spewing Helen Thomas-like "virgins all over the Fox Business News studio.
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The fact that Beckel is not a bad guy, doctrinaire fool, or dialectically controlled progressive is what is most frightening. OF course all we have to do is hearken back to Bush's lauding and walking with Siddiqui to understand the severity of the problem
Pastorius,
That second paragraph is a gem!
"Not a bad guy?" He's a crude, obnoxious toad, Epam. And he comes across as the sort who would kiss the ass of anyone who could provide him with his very own little Aisha.
He's been around for a while. He buys what people like the SPLC have said about Pam, MANY DO. In 2000 Beckel CORRECTLY pointed out after SCOTUS decided in Bush's favor on FL, that there was no law against offering staggering amounts of money to the college of electors to vote another way.
Beckel is NOT the enemy. People like that choosing to believe what groups like the SPLC have to say, rather than a Pam Geller is THE problem.
What is the reason for this?
Pam's unrelenting stridency?
The unpleasantness of the truth?
We're FRINGE?
Fear of real war?
Beckel is VERY astute observer, and his domestic analyses are almost always close.
He is not some Blomberg, pandering. If he is saying what he is, we need to look at how he formed his opinions .. he got into with Pam because he regards her as a low rent Coulter
If Beckel is saying stupidly we should GET OVER IT, then he needs to be challenged on that basis factually. No one did. Did anyone eve get over 12/7/41? Would it ever have been possible without obliterating Japan? What is that lesson?
Pam makes herself more of a target, more exposed with the birther claims and saying things such as Obama is antisemitic. That can NEVER stick as a perception while he has hired an Emanuel, Axelrod, Sunnstein ... but we CAN SIMPLY, and WITHOUT ACCUSATION raise doubt by asking .. factual questions which cannot be denied.
Frankly, Pam faced the same attitude with Scott Pelli, tho he hewed closer to an objective set of question... but the look on his face was of more distaste than for the builder of GZM.
This is particular to Pam. She is who she is. She's on the right side. She makes many good arguments. She IS unafraid. She goes over the top. That doesn't bother me a whole lot, but we have to recognize what that means face to face with some of these people.
Pasto,
When you say, Helen Thomas-like "virgins"... You mean something like this:- http://goo.gl/q69C Right?
After all was said and done, the panel laughed, they couldn't conceal their laughter at the muslim stating "building this center is the worst thing for bin laden . . ." LOL! Aw, hell, even Beckle's rectum puckered the gaseous windbag tight from that line. The unwitting muslim redeemed himself by advising folks to visit Atlas Shrugs for interesting things. Bet you won't see that muslim pushed to the mic in defense of Islam again. Ha ha ha!
Anon, The CAIR person BELIEVES others will find Pam a Muslim hater.
Some will.
This is NOT just a battle of objective reality, it's a battle over PERCEPTION.
You are right, Epa.
On the other hand, recent polls have shown most Americans are on to Islamic bullshit.
Epam, he's a pig. That cut was all I needed to see of him. And the SPLC are a bunch of commies. Anyone who takes their word for anything isn't going to give a rat's ass if Islam threatens this country any more than the SPLC does.
And what is too much "stridency" in dealing with recrudescent muslim Caliphate obsession? Would "interfaith dialogue" be a better approach? Bringing the widdle childwen to the mosque on field trips so they can learn to pray the muslim way and "understand"?
If we could confidently assume our government was essentially on our side and determined to contain the enemy, maybe we could afford a la-de-da, kum-ba-ya attitude but when the best news on that front is the Stuxnet worm I'd say a few "stident" warnings are still in order.
As for the "real reason", it is the fact that most people are too damn lazy and evasive to face the truth even when it's right in front of their faces as terror attacks, arrogant imams building victory mosques, riots over cartoons, psychotic muslim dictators seeking nucelar weapons, censorship, abuse of women, and constant demands for "respect" by the "religion" that supplies all of the above. Even most of the people who are fighting ObamaCare/taxes/national debt and all the rest of the Tea Party talking points would rather put Islam on the back burner.
I suppose we could all be quiet and polite and wait patiently for whatever is going to act as the next wake-up call and then hope they will pay attention for more than 10 minutes so we can cram some facts into their heads, and it would certainly make life easier for me to do so, but is that the best way to go?
Pastorius -- They may "be on to" Islamic b.s., in fact I don't doubt that many are, but the point is that the neither want to think or do much about it. Ask most people about the problems with Islam and you still get the usual laundy list of "yeah, buts" and "well, so does", and "but isn't that like" and after you've answered them all they may shrug and say, yeah, you're right, that's something to think about, and then proceed not to.
I think it's accumulated knowledge that will be sparked into response but only when something dire happens. Reacting to something dire is a lot less desirable than avoiding something dire by preventive action.
But the world doesn't work that way.
Well, I'm going to be doing a lot more studying and a lot less driving off to rallies in the near future because I think it will be more important in the long run.
Also because my car has a list as long as my arm of stuff that needs fixing or else the wheels come off. Literally.
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Why is the islmaist always given the last word?
C-CS
rra, cmon, HOW DO YOU REALLY FEEL?
Look, we need to call it interfaith dialog and use the opportunity to ask the right questions, NOT TO SAY .. it's pislam.
Just ask ..
"Why Mr Cair representative do you always leave out the first words of 5:32? If Mohammad was the exemplar of humans as defined by a perfect being why did he defile a child? Why did he preach hate and racism towards jews? Why did a perfect being incite racism? (apes and pigs)"
We don't NEED to assert anything unpleasant just politely ask.
This is not about OUR emotional satisfaction, this is about WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN. And in a democracy as Wellington said, 'it was a near run thing, it was the nearest run thing you will ever see'
Beckel was insufferable because HE believed Pam an intolerant hater. ALL LOSERS on that video if the measure is to convince the American people something malignant is loose. The black dude did best BY FAR and not coincidentally he was the calmest.
My blood is boiling. How they let that mooslum call Pamela names or that fat hog of a man shove his finger in her face, is beyond me. They would have been pulling me off his fat back. And good for her for sticking her finger right back at him. Even in our cultures, women will defer and she didn't!!! Go Pamela!
I tell you Epa, I'm needing some emotional satisfaction bad.
And believe me, you can ask the questions, but they've got answers for anything. They will not cede a point. Last night, I was doing some research and stumbled upon one of their sites, (and there are tons of them out there as they are using the interwebs to the hilt), that explained that since Jesus is "God," according to Christian theology, and in the OT "God" ordered his people to kill and fight, then Jesus was a "worse" murderer and warrior than Moehammy. It went on to say that Moehammy always felt great remorse and trepidation when he had to kill and rape. Amazing! They are relentless and can twist anything to their warped view.
All of us need to be all over the internet when the chance appears, so that we can educate. The other day, I ran across a very stupid article by some idiot arguing that we must respect freedom of religion as it is a founding principle of this country and allow the GZ place of warship. Well, I've been relentlessly posting to that article with ferocity. We must hammer home that pisslam is not a "religion," but a totalitiarian political ideology. We must hammer home the human rights abuses occurring all over the pisslamic world every day.
Sorry Epa, hard for me to remain calm when my country and civilization is under attack. In war, American generals have been known to play loud music to shock the enemy. I say, strike up the band! Now isn't a time to remain calm.
Rose, when Bobbie Lee got his blood up, he won some battles, but it eventually cost him the war..maybe even in the first series of battles, at Malvern Hill.
You sound like my wife.
That's good.
But winning always requires DISCIPLINE.
Anyone who has ever sung in a real choir can tell you the best music is when the group holds their diaphragms tight, and never lets it go fortanzo.
Tighten up your diaphragms people.
There will be many tests.
Grab your husband Rose. Take it out on him.
Leave nothing but bones.
;)
Imagine if Rush Limbaugh had treated someone like Joy Behar the same way?
24/7 media coverage is what would happen.
Anyone who acts in such a manner without full knowledge of the facts is my enemy and an a-hole to boot. No excuses.
Hadn't thought about that aspect of perception. Ur right.
Joy Behar doesn't have the gravitas to be in that position.
I prefer to see Arianna get it. Maybe Katrina Van Den Heuvel. But not from Rush.
Someone who can get worked up.
O'Reilly
But Beckel did have full knowledge, and it's clear he hated Pam because she called Obama and anti semite. She did
Okay, I like the O'Reilly/Huffington matchup better.
Let's just say that Ariana had said that Bush was a warmongerer or whatever for argument sake.
Would that have mattered to anyone during the 24/7 coverage? Would it even be mentioned?
Beckel seems to lack even a rudimentary understanding of Mohammedanism.
Obama IS an anti-Semite and that fat thug stuck his finger in Pam's face and said, "You better be very careful. You're a woman, you better be careful about saying who I carry water for." They should have thrown his lardass of the set at that instant. What the hell was that, Jerry Springer?
The problem is an entrenched resistance to the information, regardless of the manner in which it is presented. "Softly softly catchee monkey" isn't going to do the job any better than, say, Robert Spencer pinning some CAIR goon to the wall with a barage of koranic quotes the CAIR goon does not want the kuffar world to hear.
We DO have "disciple", Epam. We have spent years studying and discussing this crap. We are not required to go hat in hand on our knees and beg the lazy and the obstinate into listening to it. Just tell it. They'll either listen or they won't.
They call it "racism" and "bigotry" and "intolerance" when Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Geert Wilders, the most quietly reserved of speakers, say the truth same as they do when Brigitte Gabriel or Pam Geller gives 'em hell. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT IS TOLD IF THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
Charles Jacobs and Americans for Peace and Tolerance have been quietly trying to talk sense into lefist rabbis up here for the past several years. What do you think happens when those same rabbis get into an "interfaith dialogue" with some taqiyya-tongued imam? Think the turbaned ones can't talk their way around abrogation? Wonder why the only attention we got up here recently was when they got hold of video of school kids being fed Islamist b.s and enticed into praying in a mosque? It was an in yer face case of "interfaith dialogue" gone very, very wrong.
They will listen when something finally makes them listen. Apparently the European intelligence agencies have busted jihadist plans for multi-city Mumbai-type attacks. (Jawa has story.) That would have gotten people's attention, though not as much as it would had they tried it here. What is important at this point is getting the facts to as many people as will listen. We own that franchise and we get to make the deliveries however we damn well choose.
Having watched more of this video, Epa, my impression is Bob Beckel is completely fucking insane.
No one could come off worse than him.
Do you realize how nutty what he says is?
David Webb comes off very well on this video.
Who is he?
Pasto, Pam baited him. Beckel is a domestic guy. He has NO CLUE and should not have been on that panel. Pam accused him of carrying water (in his brain) for the people who want to kill us. Of course she was saying he was unknowingly a useful idiot for creeping sharia. But she also was NOT READY for her successful bait. As a woman he was telling her if she was a man, he'd want to take it outside.
RRA, you CANNOT accuse the president ANY president of racism in that way unless you have a smoking gun. Something along the lines of US Grant's written orders expelling all Jews from the union army camps, ESPECIALLY WHEN TOO MANY OF OBAMA'S INNER ADVISER'S ARE BORN TO JEWISH PARENTS, unless you want to end up 5 sd's to the right or left of the center.
"Apparently the European intelligence agencies have busted jihadist plans for multi-city Mumbai-type attacks. "
That says ALL that Pam was trying to say.
I DOES matter very much how it is told, because the model for the target audience IS NOT a birther accusing the President of the USA of being an anti semite, and an accuser of a longtime analyst, Mondale's national campaign manager, and co author with Cal Thomas, of 'carrying water' for Al Qaeda. That makes you a FREAK to the target audience, who don;t listen to freaks.
How does Frank Gaffney come across?
Same exact message Pam was trying to deliver. John Bolton?
The key is to get the folks who are bothering to watch right then, who know that Muslims ARE attacking, probably don't understand why really, heard George Bush say it was a religion of peace, but feel some gut level antipathy, to find the FACTUAL BASIS FOR RESISTANCE so their resistance is not 'characterizable' in their own minds as islamophobia.
Bob Beckel is not the guy you want to convince. He is the guy you want to look uninformed to the folks at home and you don't do that the way Pam did.
Epa,
Pam baited him? That is not an excuse for his behavior any more than a sexy red dress is an excuse for rape.
Anyway, who believes in that kind of bullshit anymore? Step outside? C'mon. If that's the way the guy thinks, he should never have any positions of great responsibility.
He is scum.
"That is not an excuse for his behavior any more than a sexy red dress is an excuse for rape."
Having been on muslim sites overseas for so many years, and been so baited many times, by some savvy people, I think we are going to have to disagree on this twist.
"If that's the way the guy thinks" about what? Being called a helpful partner to OBL think and do-alikes?
I would imagine that being called THAT on live national cable TV might get a VERY LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE hot under the collar.
Including me.
Excuse? NO..but Pam is smart enough and experienced enough to have been ready to respond calmly with a listing of facts as to why her assertion was factually correct IF SHE WAS GOING TO CALL HIM THAT. And why did she do that? Because SHE made herself vulnerable to claims she was fringe .. 'obama is an indonesian-kenyan muslim (?) or who cares Jeremiah Wright freak antisemite'
Remember I am talking here about BEST WAY to convince people who don't pay attention the way we do.
Beckel was NAKED. Pam let him off by getting excited JUST AS HE DID.
I don't blame either of them. But an opportunity was lost.
That is a fact.
We are disagreeing as to how to behave to be effective.
We are talking about how to talk so people listen and get the message.
Trying to convince people that GZM is Sancta Sophia in Manhattan is made more difficult when you start from the position that the president is a foreign born antisemite when there is no proof of the former, and no CREDIBLE way except for circumstantial arguments to make the latter argument when the prez's chief of staff (among others) is not only jewish but his family is MAJOR IRGUN JEWISH -- IN ISRAEL.
Beckel was not ready for who Pam really is which is entertainment if I ever saw it, but Pam IMHO MUST BE READY TO BE ACCUSED AS SHE WAS, AND TO RESPOND APPROPRIATELY, even if that means inhuman self control
Am I wrong?
Epa,
See if you agree with me on this:
I find that it is pretty hard to get me riled up by accusing me of something of which I know, absolutely, that I am not guilty.
So, for instance, if a person said, "Pastorius, you have a small penis," I would just laugh and shrug it off.
But, if someone said, "Pastorius, you don't have control of your emotions. You act like a fucking two year old," then, I'd probably get pissed.
Cuz, I'd like to think I am mature, but alas, I am not.
My point is, if Beckel was baited, it is likely that what Pamela said has at least a bit of truth to it, and he knows it damn well.
I think that if you were slighted in a morally repugnant way, your righteous indignation might overcome your good sense.
It always does mine.
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