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State snatches baby when dad accused of being 'Oath Keeper'
'You could be on 'the list' and then child protective services might come'
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Posted: October 08, 2010
11:35 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily
Johnathon Irish, fiancé and baby
A 16-hour-old newborn was snatched from her parents by authorities in Concord, N.H., after social services workers alleged the father is a member of Oath Keepers.
The organization collects affirmations from soldiers and peace officers that they would refuse orders that violate the U.S. Constitution, in light of what they perceive as the advance of socialism in the U.S.
The father, Johnathon Irish, told WND that the affidavit signed by Child Protective Service worker Dana Bicford seeking government custody of newborn Cheyenne said the agency "became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the 'Oath Keepers.'"
Irish, in an interview with WND, said officers and other social services workers ordered him to stand with his hands behind his back, frisked him and then took his daughter from him and his fiancé at Concord Hospital where the baby had been born.
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He told WND that other issues cited by authorities included an allegation of child abuse, which he assumed pertained to an incident weeks earlier in which one of his fiance's older sons allegedly was struck by a babysitter.
He said both he and his fiancé had been cleared by authorities in that investigation.
Kathleen Demaris, a spokeswoman for the state agency, refused to comment.
Stewart Rhodes, the founder of Oath Keepers, expressed alarm when contacted by WND, describing the agency as a "chilling monster" that could "come get kids."
On his website, he confirmed the affidavit, along with other allegations, cites Irish's interest in Oath Keepers as a reason to separate the newborn from her parents.
"Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit. ... But please do remember that allegations do not equal facts - they are merely allegations," he said.
"But an even more fundamental point is that regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish's association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody," Rhodes said.
"Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel [nose] under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare," he continued. "'Don't you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on 'the list' and then child protective services might come take your kids.'"
He noted that the state made no allegation that Oath Keepers is "criminal" or that Irish was committing a crime with his affiliation.
Oath Keepers posted a video by George Heminger, who identifies himself as an independent journalist, who was interviewing Irish by telephone:
Editor's Note: The recording is unedited and includes objectionable language.
"We are not advocating or planning imminent violence, which is the established line where free speech ends and criminal behaviorbegins," Rhodes continued said. "Neither is Oath Keepers a militia, for that matter. However, EVEN IF WE WERE, that also would not be a valid reason to take someone's child away. Private militias just like other voluntary associations, are not illegal, and it is not a crime to associate with them.
"To the contrary, we have an absolute right, won by the blood of patriots, and protected by our First Amendment, to freely associate with each other as we d--- well please so long as we are not advocating or planning imminent violent or directly harming our children (and no, teaching them 'thought crimes' like 'All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,' or that those who swear an oath should keep it, does not count - at least not yet)," he said.
"A parent associating with a militia is not engaged in child endangerment and is not evidence of child endangerment," he said.
A promise O
ath Keepers' members promise not to obey any order "to disarm the American people," conduct warrantless searches, "detain American citizens as 'unlawful enemy combatants,'" work to impose martial law, invade or subjugate any state, blockade American cities, put Americans in detention camps or "make war against our own people."
That such circumstances could develop has been suggested by the government itself, in an earlier DHS document that cautioned about the possibility of violence from a variety of "extremists," a label that apparently now is being applied to Irish.
WND reported when a Department of Homeland Security report warned against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" and singled out returning war veterans as particular threats. The report characterized the extremists as people with concerns about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty.
The report, "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," dated April 7, 2009, stated "threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts."
However, the document, first reported by talk-radio host and WND columnist Roger Hedgecock, went on to suggest worsening economic woes, potential new legislative restrictions on firearms and "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."
The report from DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis defined right-wing extremism in the U.S. as "divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups) and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
Returning veterans
Most notable was the report's focus on the impact of returning war veterans.
"Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it said. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities."
In the Irish family situation, the father told WND that a court hearing is schedule Oct. 14. Until that time, he and his fiancé are ordered to have no contact with their daughter.
He described the state's accusations as "false allegations, fabricated allegations and unfounded fact."
Forum page participants at the Oath Keepers site were enraged:
• "Make sure you tell this to everyone you know, if this is allowed, none of us with children are safe, is says the govt can take your children because of your affiliations with certain organizations!!"
• "This is so scary!!! If they can do this, what next?"
• "Be careful with this. The Republic has real enemies and some of them spend all their time sitting in their mom's basement thinking of ways to get us to overreact and make mistakes by which they can discredit us. This could be real, or it could be deliberate a disinformation tactic, a hard count to draw us offsides. Wait for full verification and full story details before doing anything we all might later regret," suggested another.
• "Setting a chilling precedent and in a manner befitting the most tyrannical of regimes, the government seized a newborn baby girl today because the father has associated with the lawful, pro-peace, pro-constitution, anti-violence Oath Keepers. What makes this particularly scary is exactly that, that the 'Oath Keepers' is a peaceful, pro-rule of law organization which supports serving military, veterans, peace officers, and firefighters and reminds them of their oath to the Constitution of the United States in a direct and open manner."
Said Rhodes, "Now it is TIME TO PUSH BACK - peaceably, of course, using our voices and pens. Let the officials in question know that you strongly oppose their listing of an association with Oath Keepers as one of the reasons for taking this child. Let them know you insist that they remove that 'reason' from the affidavit and issue a public retraction, and until they do so, they will hear from all of us, and also from our legal counsel. And we won't relent until they respect our First Amendment protected rights of free speech and association and cease and desist this chilling of those rights. Be professional, but firm."
15 comments:
Epaminondas,
Not a good sign.
Why would child protective services remove this newborn instead of removing the biological father until the alleged domestic violence issues are resolved.
Did the state not have enough of a case against the biological father to remove him?
There aren't enough facts here to justify the states action. Why separate the newborn from the biological mother if the issue is with the biological father. On the surface it appears the biological mother's first husband refuses to sign divorce papers since 2008 has exerted his will and may very well be politically connected and spiteful to boot.
Oh, wow!
What is happening to America?
Hi Guys.
Read and did not post the article a couple of days ago.Next day there was an update on their website saying there were also other charges involved.No matter what they were, i believe the original charge of being a member of the Oath Keepers,is not considered an criminal offence and a reason to take a child away from it's parents.Still we must see which way this evolves.
Yah WIll.. that's why I said there had better be a lot more to this, but even if there is, the State of NH child protective services quoting as ONE of the factors they used as criteria the membership in Oath Keepers shows how very very deeply embedded is the same process and thinking that allowed Nidal Hassan to reach his goal.
We have an institutionally embedded perversion and INVERSION of common sense. If you belong to oath keepers, if you believe in the Constitution APPARENTLY YOU ARE CODED AS "ATTITUDE NOTICED".
As if you need extra help in remedial schooling and mental health.
First amendment right to freedom of association? (((poof)))
via AstuteBlogger:
What has America become?
Editor,
Has America become the land of special interest and home of the double standard?
Lets see:
if we lie to the Congress, it's a felony and if the Congress lies to us its just politics;
if we dislike a black person, we're racist and if a black person dislikes whites, its their 1st Amendment right;
the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims;
in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process;
you can kill an unborn child, but it is wrong to execute a mass murderer;
we don't burn books in America, we now rewrite them;
we got rid of communist and socialist threats by renaming them progressive;
we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea;
if you protest against President Obama's policies you're a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.
You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas;
we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people;
we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it is wrong to use an animal.
We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who don't want to work;
we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology;
we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct;
parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games;
the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs;
the similarity between Hurricane Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help.
And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a committee to determine who's at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.
What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?
- Ken Huber
Tawas City
Will,
That's a good idea. Tanks for the update. We should look more into this.
Greetings from the pure hell that is the state of Massachusetts on Columbus Day, where even one of our most "constitutional conservative" talk-show hosts -- Jay Severin, he deserves to be outed on this one -- questioned whether America is a "genocidal" nation because, after all, we killed all the "beautiful copper-colored people" who were here before.
More fortunately, Michael "Giggles" Graham, the CC host with the mid-day slot, pointed out that some of those "beautiful copper-colored people", e.g., the Aztec empire, were in the habit of sacrificial mass murder. But hey, that was beautiful tribal culture, not ugly ODWM constitutionalism that is so spoil-sport about high-spirited tribal warfare customs, right?
Severin is quick to point out he is part "beautiful copper-colored" Indian. Is it just my impression, or is everyone with a "drop of native american blood" in them susceptible to this insanity every year throughout October and November?
OK, I've seen the light. I'm half English and half Irish, but since the Irish is the traditional "victim" in that gene pool I guess I will have to decide to hate everyone English for the rest of this month through Thanksgiving in solidarity with the "beautiful copper-colored" tribal peoples my ancestors had nothing to do with whatever since they were all in Nova Scotia/Newfoundland/County Cork until about 1905.
Or maybe I could hate all the English during April through July and take advantage of the nice weather.
Madness.
Madness.
I know someone already posted Bob Dylan's "Idiot Wind" last month but I'd like to retroactively dedicate it to all the do-away-with-Columbus-Day fools out there.
Also to Anne Barnard at the New York Slimes. Hell, make that the entire MSM.
Oath Keepers and militias . . .what's that smell? "journolisters"
Yup. Katie Couric tweeted about Time Magazine's edition about the threat of militias . . .coincidentally released just before midterm elections
Epaminondas,
I just sent this blog post to Rob Taylor of Red Alerts via email. He's written a lot of about stuff like this before, and he had this to say.
He wrote,
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I saw this but the family has been "known to [police' and their husband was ordered to some kind of anger management and never went. But I'm keeping an eye on it.
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In a corresponding email, he told me that he thinks that we should look more carefully at this and that it may not be what it seems to be, and that basically if it is a mistake it will put egg on a lot of people's faces.
Now in my opinion, regardless of what we may think of the liberal media, it might be a good idea to find out what they have to say about this and try to confirm or refute it, before we write too much more on it.
Not to mention Fox News guys.
If this guy is an abuse problem he should be DEALT WITH as an abuser. Never mind anger management ..men who hit women and children have a special place they've earned.
Why would the state of NH be so stupid as to even MENTION Oath Keepers as a problem in this?
What does that mean?
Who inculcates such an attitude and why?
It's not JUST this person or this family, it is the NH policy that should be under the lights.
What do 'Oath Keepers' have to do with child abuse as an indicator of problems?
If you are an Oath Keeper in NH should you expect special attention?
Epaminondas,
I don't know why the state brought up the Oath Keepers if that has nothing to do with the reason their child was taken away. If this only had to do with the father being abusive it might just have been a dumb error on behalf of someone involved in the case. Maybe you try to find a few more sources for this, or maybe you should talk Rob Taylor on this and ask him why he suspects the news story is not accurate.
If this is simply about the biological father...and his offenses...then why take the child away from its mother???? Couldn't they lawfully bar the father from access to the child until the issue was resolved? Why go so nuclear and seize the child at 11 days old from BOTH parents? Something is terribly wrong in this scenario...we cannot possibly have all the information. And if we do then we are in far worse trouble than I imagined. And I imagined things to be pretty damn bad already.... :-/
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