Thursday, June 01, 2006

Do The Jihadis Consider Denmark Islamic Territory?

Bernard Lewis gave a talk the other day on the troubles the Western world is having with Islam. Here, he proposes a very good question with regards to the anger in the Muslim world over the Jyllands-Posten cartoons:


What was much more at issue was another ban, and that is on insulting the Prophet, which is, of course, an offense. This raises a number of interesting questions that I think are of direct relevance to the whole issue at the present time.

Insulting the Prophet is an offense in Muslim law. This raises two issues: one of substantive law, the other of jurisdiction. Muslim jurists discuss this at some length, and there is a considerable body of case law concerning it in Muslim states.

The first point of disagreement: What is the range of jurisdiction of Muslim law? And here you have two opinions. According to the Shi'a and a minority among the Sunnis, Muslim law applies to Muslims wherever they may be in the world. A Muslim who commits an offense against Muslim law, wherever he may be in the world, is subject to Muslim law and must therefore be punished in accordance with Muslim law.

The majority Sunni view is that Muslim law only applies in countries under Muslim government. What happens outside is no concern of the Muslim authorities. One distinguished jurist makes his point with an extreme example: A Muslim traveling in the lands of the unbelievers commits robbery and murder. He returns to the lands of Islam with his loot. No action can be taken against him or against his loot because the offense was committed outside the jurisdiction of Islam, and it is therefore up to the juridical and legal authorities of the infidels to take action, if they can and will.

Here you have two different opinions relating to an offense committed by a Muslim. That is not the case for the Danish cartoons. This is an offense committed by a non-Muslim. And here the plot thickens. This is discussed by all of the juridical authorities only in the case of a non-Muslim subject of a Muslim state. If a non-Muslim subject of a Muslim state says or does something offensive to the Prophet, he is to be tried — accused, tried, and if necessary, punished. The jurists on the whole tend to take a rather mild view of this offense. They say, well, he is not a Muslim; he doesn't accept Mohammed as the Prophet; we know that.

So saying that Mohammed is no prophet does not constitute this offense. It has to be more specifically insulting than that. And, as I say, there is an elaborate juridical literature and case law on this subject.What is never discussed at all — it is never considered — is an offense committed by a non-Muslim in a non-Muslim country. That, according to the unanimous opinion of all of the doctors of the holy law is no concern of Islamic law, which brings us back to the case of Denmark.

Does this mean that Denmark, along with the rest of Europe is now considered part of the Islamic lands, and that the Danes, like the rest, are therefore dhimmis, non-Muslim subjects of the Muslim state?


It would seem the Jihadis think so.

4 comments:

John Sobieski said...

Possible argument, but to most Muslims, it boils down to 'uppity infidels' stepping out of bounds. It is irrelevant that it is an infidel in an infidel controlled state. This occurs because the increased perception by Muslims that they are powerful, at least in numbers, and have successfully cowered infidel governments for many 'offenses.' There is wide belief by Muslims that they are truly superior to the infidels, despite endless statistics that say the opposite, and for infidels to insult Islam or Muslims, it's completely presumptious and must be punished. Such is the delusion of Islam and its imperialistic dogma.

Pastorius said...

Good point, John. If your perspective is correct, then, all that needs to be done is for us to slap them down and bit, and they will shut up.

Are we up to it yet?

Progger said...

According to the Q'oran, non-Muslims must be killed off anyhow, so those that attack the prophet rise to the top of the list. Since the Q'oran is the bible of the Muslims, the central beliefs that non-Muslims are less than human is bound to continue to cause serious problems in the future.

Anonymous said...

Been yesterday on a Flemish jihad website, where they claim FLanders is Muslim territory. Why should it be different for the rest of Europe.
http://www.rwina.com/ (in Dutch) Very, very awfull