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Wednesday, August 22, 2007

Young, Nazi and Proud

This follows on from Pastorius' message to the BNP and Griffin.

Here



Mark Collett former chairman of the Young BNP, the youth division of the British National Party, and is currently the Director of Publicity of the Party.

Mark says "Hitler will live on forever - and maybe I will". He openly admires Hitler!


Although the BNP has supposedly dropped its nazi associations, at Red White and Blue [summer BNP rally] there is plenty of evidence of the opposite.

There are discreet symbols everywhere. For example, men in shirts numbered 88 - H is the eighth letter of the alphabet - HH is Heil Hitler.

Mark is explicit in his adoration of Nazi Germany when he thinks the camera is turned off. "I'd never say this on camera, the Jews have been thrown out of every country including England. It's not just persecution. There's no smoke without fire," he declares.

Dispatches Ch4 News

So, this is the Director of Publicity. Nick Griffin on the other hand goes a step further by making statements which deny the holocaust

I know that the majority of BNP voters do not admire hitler and fascism, but their leaders do. I believe in free speech though, and the BNP should absolutley get their say. BNP is a requirement for a decent balanced democracy. When 25% of the electorate vote BNP in some areas it's a message to the mainstream parties to sit up and take notice.

Multiculturalism as we know it has failed because we have have failed to stand up to abhorrent practices and attitudes within minority communities for fear of being labelled a racist.

I am no racist, it's a man's actions and attitudes that count him as a British citizen, not the race of the man. If you feel strongly about Britain, but reject racism, I would suggest you join an alternative to the BNP - the United British Alliance. Here's a quote from their website

We are a multi-ethnic,multi-faith organisation with a passionate interest in reclaiming our once proud nation from the grip of international terror and political correctness gone-mad,with a view to re-installing some pride in our communities and way of life.

Now we're talking.
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26 Comments:

Blogger BFB said...

Pastorius (Do you have real name?)

Firstly, I politely request that you re-enable 'Permanent Links', which you conveniently disabled not more than 24hrs ago, so that your anti-white/Birtish bile can be easily linked to.

Secondly, Channel 4 are notoriously anti-BNP, something you would know if you did a bit of research instead of relying on Google (also anti-BNP) videos that are over 4 years old. For your information, Ch4 made a documentary about Muslim men grooming underage white girls for sex (some of them as young as 11) which was never shown to the British public because it might 'offend' Muslims and lead to an increase in support for the "Nazi" BNP (an image you help to perpetuate).

Mark Collett DOES NOT SPEAK FOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE, and any views he may have regarding Hitler are his own personal views and hardly puts him in the same boat as the Muslim filth raping our young white girls. And the Muslim appeasing Channel 4 are no better.

Why don't you post a video of BNP supporters/voters outside Leeds Crown Court? is it because they don't fit the Nazi image you are trying to portray?

Why don't you post videos of BNP activists/supporters/members at the recent RWB (Red, White and Blue)? Is it because there isn't a single Nazi skinhead among them?

I have done my best to engage you in a reasonable, intelligent, rational debate about the true BNP,and you have done your best to drag them through the mud.

What harm have they done to you?

Prove your unbiased credentials by Googling 'RWB', BNP, 'Leeds Crown Court' and show some of those videos on your pathetic, Muslim/Marxist promoting website!

And re-enable 'Permanent Links' while you're at it.

You fucking spineless PRICK!

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:36:00 pm  
Blogger jonz said...

BFB this was posted by me, not Pastorius.

Let's ignore your childish insult for now.

Please try and discuss the post in question, otherwise your comments may be deleted.

Some questions BFB (how ironic that you chose Battle for Britain as your name when your political choices are more aligned with National Socialism)

1. Mark Collett admires 1930's Germany and Hitler, do you agree?

2. Nick Griffin has in the past made comments such "holohaux"? Do you agree?

3. Have you thought about what this actually means? This is a particularly vicious strain of politics where you either support Hitler who murdered millions with industrial gas chambers or you deny that it happened in the first place.

4. If you oppose these things, why do you still support the BNP? Why do you not seek an alternative?

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:50:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

BFB,
I honestly don't even know what Permanent Links are.

Jonz is the only other administrator of this blog.

Did you disable permanent links, Jonz?

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:59:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

By the way, Jonz does not speak for me, and I do not speak for him.

This is an "Infidel Blog" which means that Infidels are allowed to post whatever they want as long as they do not use racist language, or threaten each other.

So don't confuse Jonz opinions with mine.

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:00:00 pm  
Blogger jonz said...

Sure didn't delete permanent links, they work as usual. The link to the old post is a permanent link

I believe in free speech including the BNP. Unless one is inciting violence to others. The biggest inciters to violence are the Islamists and jihadists all over the UK, not the BNP. So you can stop getting your knickers in a twist BFB.

Now, any chance of clarifying your position on National Socialism?

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:07:00 pm  
Anonymous 10 year reich said...

WOW! A show of Churchillian spirit from the British MSM. Are they finally waking up? Check the comment at the end of the original article about why people are so pissed off that they'll vote BNP.

From http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/16913


"FREEDOM of speech is one of the cornerstones of our democracy.

The open exchange of view and the expression of controversial opinions are bulwarks against tyranny.

Yet the British tradition of liberty is now increasingly under threat because of the state’s cowardly policy of trying to appease radical Islam.

In the name of promoting a spirit of tolerance, our civic institutions have
become ruthlessly intolerant of anyone who dares to challenge some of the most repellent features of hardline Islamism, such as misogyny, the contempt for human rights and the resort to violence for political ends.

Blanket accusations of racism are regularly used to suppress debate about the problems caused by Islam.

Britain fought the last war against an anti-semitic, book-burning, totalitarian regime. Yet in a bizarre twist, the modern British Government now acts as the guardian of those Muslims who want to see an Islamic version of just such a regime in this country. In a monstrous inversion of our values, those seeking to uphold our freedoms against Muslim fundamentalism are now the target of state repression.

The British bobby, once a symbol of robust common sense, is rapidly being transformed into an agent of the race-fixated thought police.

Perhaps the most worrying recent example of this trend was the outrageous conduct of the West Midlands police over a Channel 4 investigation into extremism within Birmingham’s mosques – Undercover Mosque. Anyone watching the programme would have been appalled at some of the sentiments of the Muslim clerics.

One preacher, referring to his eagerness to see British soldiers killed in Afghanistan, said that “the hero is the one who separated his head from his shoulders”.Another called for homosexuals to be “thrown off the mountain”, while a third believed that Jews will be killed at the end of time, accompanying his forecast with a snorting noise like that of a pig.

A Christian minister coming out with vile language against Muslims would not only be defrocked but would have his collar felt by the constabulary. Yet the reaction of the West Midlands police was very different. Assistant Chief Constable Anil Patani, in charge of “security and social cohesion”, decided the preachers of hate should face no action. Instead his force issued a complaint against Channel 4 to regulator Ofcom, that the programme-makers may have been guilty of stirring up racial hatred.

Patani, one of the new breed of police chiefs seemingly more interested in social engineering than in protecting the public, claimed that the producers had deliberately quoted the Muslim clerics “out of context” to suit an Islamophobic agenda.

The West Midlands police, he said, had pursued Channel 4 “with as much rigour as the extremism portrayed within the documentary itself”.

Since when was it the job of the police to sit in judgment on TV productions, acting as a political censor? Is the West Midlands so free of crime that police can look through hours of TV footage, deciding whether a television company has shown sufficient obedience to the new doctrine of anti-racism?

Mr Patani was effectively exploiting the current row over TV fakery, suggesting that the investigation into the mosques was just another distorted documentary, like the BBC’s notorious programme about the Queen, in which editing of the footage appeared to show Her Majesty storming out of a photoshoot when in reality nothing of the sort happened.

In fact there is no evidence that Channel 4 was guilty of any kind of manipulation. None of the participants complained about the programme, nor was there any denial of a right of reply.

This controversy only shows the disastrous influence of the Marxist creed of political correctness, where the police have become so neurotic about Islamophobia that they have turned themselves into political commissars.

This worrying pattern can be seen in so many other areas. Only this weekend it emerged that the BBC had decided to rewrite an episode of the popular hospital drama Casualty because it feared the original storyline, about an Islamist suicide bombing at a bus station, might offend Muslim sensibilities. So the BBC replaced it with one about carnage perpetrated by animal rights activists.

Yet there is no record of animal rights campaigners having committed mass slaughter against the public, whereas radical Muslims have exacted a terrifying toll.

Similarly, press investigations into Muslims grooming young white girls for sex and prostitution – like this paper’s brave analysis on Saturday of a Muslim paedophile ring in Blackburn – have led to accusations of racism.

In 2004, for instance, Channel 4 postponed a documentary called Edge Of The City about Asian men in Bradford targeting white girls as young as 11 for sex and drug abuse. This followed pressure from the chief constable of West Yorkshire Colin Cramphorn, who warned that the programme would inflame racial tensions.

It is grotesque the way the British state keeps giving in to Muslim bullying. Islamic grievances are always accompanied by the menace of violence. No other religion inspires such craven attitudes because no other faith inspires such aggression in its followers. But censorship and prosecutions against Islam’s critics are no answer. They are only steps along the road to tyranny. "

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:48:00 pm  
Anonymous TL said...

Well I support and vote BNP, and will do for the foreseeable future. At the same time I have no truck with Hitler admirers, in fact I'm an ardent supporter of Israel and nothing brings greater joy to my heart than seeing the IDF beating the sh*t of any one who attacks their country or people.

Supporting the BNP while being aware of Mark Collett's past views is no different to someone supporting the Labour party while knowing the John Reid, and others within the party, once held communist views.

Remember the Communists murdered more people in the 20th century than the Nazis.

Therefore using a bit of logic, if the Communists murdered more than the Nazis, then Communists are more evil than the Nazis, which means a Communist sympathiser is more evil than a Nazi sympathiser, which means most of the Labour party is more evil than any party accused of being 'Nazi' by the left.

Therefore I can continue to support and vote BNP, and cheer every time an Israeli rocket takes out another muslim terrorist.

Have a nice day :)

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:50:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

TL,
First off, you make a very good point there with your comparison of the Communist-supporters vs. the Nazi-supporters, and the relative killing of the Nazis vs. the Communists.

Makes me think.

And, I understand that there are many people like you in the BNP.

I did a story here about the "BNP Ballerina." And, I made the point that this is what happens when the entire government, and both main political parties turn into PC/appeasing assholes.

So, I understand where you're coming from.

Jonz, what do you think of TL's comment.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:01:00 am  
Blogger Sharm said...

funny !
yayks

cheap way for hate ..

Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:08:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

Sharm,....FUCK OFF!

Pastorius/Jonz...whatever your fucking name is....WILL YOU BE POSTING VIDEOS THAT SHOW THE REAL FACE OF THE BNP, RATHER THAN THE WORN-OUT SHIT YOU HAVE POSTED HERE?

On the subject of 'evil'...can you name a more 'evil' ideology than Communism(Socialism, not sure which guise it adopts these days)? I bet you can't!

FACT: Communists murdered in excess of 20 million innocent people (hardly compares with Mark Collett's 'holocaust denial' does it?).

FACT: Communism is the most evil ideology ever inflicted upon the human race (but, strangely, you restrict your criticism to the BNP).

FACT: You are a wanker!

PS: "Permanent Links" is the function you switched off to avoid being "Permanently" linked to.

And stop pretending to be 'Jonz'... It's pathetic!

Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:39:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Not only am I Jonz, but I am also the guy who put the poison in the wells of Europe which caused the Black Plague, and I am the guy on the "Grassy Knoll" who shot JFK.

:)

Listen, I would love to believe that I am a literary genius, but read our blogs, and our various blog posts. Jonz is a drunken blogger from Britain, and I am a stoney, arty guy from California.

Two wholly different types of people, who write and think in two wholly different styles and patterns of thought.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:00:00 am  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

Pastorius,
Somebody thinks that you and Jonz are the same entity? Well, I suppose that the Internet does allow for such a split personality, but he's way off base with this one.

I know several centrist Brits who are considering supporting the BNP, precsisely because of the UK's pandering to Muslims. The pendulum swings in the face of being backed into a corner.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:25:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

AOW,
In a way, I don't blame them. It seems to them they have no other choice.

Europe has never, in its history, truly chosen Freedom over tyranny.

Even the UK, the wondrous state that it is, still supports the ridiculous notion of royalty, and also of a state-sponsored Church.

What a travesty.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:26:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I know I'm not going to be popular for saying that, but well, that's why I say "grow up and support a party that truly stands for Freedom."

Freedom, means absolute Freedom of Choice; granted to us by our Creator.

We have the right to say what we want. We have the right to own a gun. We have the right to know that our nation's police can not come into our home without the authorization of the police. We have the right to own property, and to own our own selves (and bodies) as property. We have the right to worship as we please and not have the state interfere in how we worship.

All of us, every single man, woman, and child on the face of the Earth are under the law, whether we be peasant, President, business leader, clergyman, Pope, of that bitch Miss America.

All of us are subject to the law.

(Cue God Bless America in the background. :)

Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:31:00 am  
Blogger jonz said...

BFB do you think asians and blacks should be deported?

Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:44:00 am  
Blogger jonz said...

BFB, I know it's hard, but could you try and answer the questions put to you rather than getting your knickers in a twist and chucking your toys out of the pram...


1. Mark Collett admires 1930's Germany and Hitler, do you agree?

2. Nick Griffin has in the (recent) past made comments such "holohaux"? Do you agree?

3. Have you thought about what this actually means? This is a particularly vicious strain of politics where you either support Hitler who murdered millions with industrial gas chambers or you deny that it happened in the first place.

4. If you oppose these things, why do you still support the BNP? Why do you not seek an alternative?

Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:45:00 am  
Blogger BFB said...

Jonz/Pisstorius,

I will answer your questions when you have answered some of mine (scroll down to earlier post).

Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:38:00 pm  
Blogger dizzyfatplonka said...

That UBA is an interesting link only with it being a multi faith organisation I would suggest its not up to the job of stopping the Islamification of Britain, that would reduce the native population of Britain to a Dhimmi status unless of course you convert to Islam. Even then since Islam is an Arabic egosentric tradition we would still be seen as a substandard race.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:43:00 pm  
Blogger jonz said...

What questions? The BNP leadership are hitler sympathisers. We dont "need" to portray them any any other light! I have seen the Red White and Blue festivals. They seem like relatively normal people. Amongst the gollywog dolls market stands mind you.

The onus is on you to prove that we're not conversing with an erudite nazi.

BNP are a lot smarter than the NF boneheads - thats plain to see. But why do you support a party whose leadership aspire to fascism?

And dizzyfatplonka, some of the most ardent anti-islamists are Jewish, Sikh, Hindu... and atheist like myself.

In fact, I'm sure you'll agree, some of the most dhimmified characters have been the church of england...

Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:46:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Jonz,

BFB is referring to the questions he put forth in the "Pat Condell's Back" post.

He has a list of organizations which represent blacks, and Asians, etc., and his question is whether they are racist, and whether our site is willing to condemn them as well.

I told him that I do, indeed, condemn the Nation of Islam, and have written about them on numerous occasions, and that I also condemn several American organizations not on his list (for instance, La Raza, Mecha, Aztlan, the Congressional Black Caucus), and have written about them on numerous occasions as well.

That is not suffice as an answer for BFB. He wants to know the IBA position on his list of organizations.

I don't know anything about them, as they are British, and honestly, I don't have time to research them. It takes enough of my time just to write comments like this.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:58:00 pm  
Blogger jonz said...

OK thanks Pastorius.

Are those organisations racist?

Well depends whether they are acting in a manor actively hostile to other races doesn't it?

They are plenty of racist asian and black organisations. I am not some left wing dingbat that thinks only white people can be racist.

BNP isn't racist because it deals with issues specific to white people. It's only racist when it's debasing others on the base of race.

The BNP has gone to quite extreme lengths to change their racist image, and to an extent that has worked. You would be hard pressed to find something actually racially discriminating it's manifesto.

So yes some of those organisations you have listed a racist, but not because they cater for people of a particular race, only when they are hostile to other races, such as Ligali.

The concept of a party who caters for white people isn't racist as such. No more racist than black or asian specialist groups.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:13:00 pm  
Blogger jonz said...

Bfb here's my thoughts on racism

A select few

When to refer to people as racist scum

On hypcrisy at Cronulla

University study: Ethnic Disadvantaged Get More Money Than White Disadvantaged

In fact, most of the posts on racism at my own site focus on "positive" discrimination and other politically correct gone mad nonsense.

But all this PC nonsense, mostly created by mindless "liberals" is not a reason for me to want to deport other races!

Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:32:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

'Spinless pricks with a Muslim/Marxist promoting website!'

I say old boy, I hadn't realized what pack of jelly rolls we had round here.

Perhaps we had best turn it over to the jews bfb, what do you say?

Good Show !
Cary on making england proud you bag of douche !

Probably a friggin norman to boot!

Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:24:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jonz

Re your previous posts on this topic.

You seem to be indicating that the BNP are Hitler admirers i.e. Nazis.

but

'BNP are a lot smarter than the NF boneheads - thats plain to see. But why do you support a party whose leadership aspire to fascism?'

Facists are generally acknowledged to be of the right wing persuasion whereas Nazis (National Socialists)are understood, by people who know about these things to be left wing.

So which is it to be, I'm confused.

Or are they not mutually exclusive in your political philosophy?

Regards

Patrick

Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:48:00 pm  
Blogger jonz said...

Patrick, National Socialism is generally acknowledged to be a far-right ideology.

I know there are some disagreements with the political classification but that's still the status quo.

Nazis are classed as far-right. But, as a right winger myself, I feel they have more in common with the left than the right.

As far as I know BNP is still anti-capitalist, and socialist in their policies. Along with a quite a bit of Nationalism. They were against the war in Iraq, along with 90% of the socialists and communists, when most right wingers supported it.

Friday, August 24, 2007 9:30:00 am  
Blogger lone star said...

jonz,
are you "supporting" BNP here?
From the post I gathered the link to the united british alliance was added to represent your opinion? The word pride has both positive and negitive aspects. I always get the feeling people use it to establish what ever they represent as superior ... whether its race, nationality, religion, gender... even attitude, which leads to a very self rightous state of denial.
honestly Im sick of seeing the word.
Everyone is proud of the stupidist things...? some Ive listed..... someone proud to be american whould be just as proud to be egyptian had they been born in egypt? Maybe I'm just understanding wrong....
personally I would like to see alittle less pride in exchange for some unity.
I know already ... in blog land anything said will be automatically attcked and labled - but I hate to tell everyone we live on a PLANET that includes whats outside our own minds, homes, yards, countries etc.
And there should be a more universal goal somehow - being truth.
I have said before the world is fuuuuullll of leaders, people wanting to be heros, and athority. Its also overflowing with personal opinion, what I call "perfect world" solutions ......and flat one sided everything, including learning, even the constant WWII refrences to everything going on today is used as extremely maniputaled text book account of an event, with parts picked out to support what ever postion one has has taken.
I'm sick of seeing "left" and "right" too.... never could figure what thats about either. If right means I have to agree and support everything my country and government says or does without question ... and left means I oppose ... I dont really want to stand with either group of idiots!

Friday, August 24, 2007 6:54:00 pm  

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