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Saturday, February 14, 2009

Pat Condell On Wilders And The UK Government's Dhimmitude

Freedom Go To Hell, Indeed!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are Christians in the Netherlands?? Who knew?

Anyway, I love this guy. How do we get him on US TV??


Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:27:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

He is great. I can't imagine anyone would put him on TV.

Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:37:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...


Truth be told I don't think that you and Pat Condell would get along, but you would definitally agree on Islam, and he would probably love the Infidel Bloggers Alliance.

Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:59:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Well, I don't really care if a person insults Christianity. But, I do care if a person makes it their mission to get rid of Christianity.

I don't think that's Condell's mission.

Charles Johnson, for instance, is not trying to destroy Christianity, though a lot of Christians are angry with him over the Evolution thing. What Charles is trying to do, from what I can tell, is to shine a light on the anti-rational idiocy that is being promoted in churches across the United States. He is particularly concerned with the Christianist attempt to legislate Intelligent Design into school curriculums.

I think that is a legitimate concern.

From my perspective, it seems to me he spends an inordinate amount of time on that subject. It seems to me the Jihad is a much bigger deal.

But, we all make our choices, right?

I guess his perspective is that, if we don't preserve a strong sense of the Scientific Method in our American schools, we won't have an advanced society anyway, so why put the fight against Islam first?

My opinion is, these Christianists are not going to win the fight anyway. But, what do I know?

Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:05:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Anyway, back to Condell;

I haven't spent much time watching Condell's videos which are critical of Christianity.

Here's the thing, I am a Christian, but I am well aware of the fact that there are a lot of Christians who have idiotic beliefs. I go to a church which is not like that.

And, I read a lot of Catholic writings, stuff by Weigel, Ratzinger, etc. and First Things magazine.

The world I live in is not occupied by dumbass Christians. And, I don't spend much time reading the news either, believe it or not.

I studied Philosophy and Literature in college. My thought tends towards the abstract.

The only reason I concern myself with the Jihad is because it pierced the arty, bizarro bubble world I lived in on 9/11. And then, when I started seeing the rise in anti-Semitism, I began to believe we were in for another worldwide conflagration.

So, Condell is not really on my radar. His mission does not cross paths with mine, except at the intersection of Jihad and Western Civ.

By the way, if this fucking war would ever end, I would just go back to reading poetry and listening to Miles Davis.

That's pretty much all I've been doing lately. You may notice I don't write much anymore.

I'm sick of this subject. But, I feel compelled to get the information out.

Thank God for MR and Epa and all the others who are so prolific here at IBA.

Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:13:00 am  
Blogger Citizen Warrior said...

Another good one by Pat.

I bought Pat's DVD and have listened to the more-than-a-hundred rants of his, and it is interesting. At first his rants are all about just religion in general. But then he slowly started focusing in on Islam. I think he realized that we have much more to worry about from Islam than all other religions combined.

Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:46:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I hope that's true. That seems reasonable to me.

Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:27:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At Condell's YouTube site, you'll notice he has some favorite videos. A recent pick does a fairly good job of wrapping up the Wilders/free speech situation in the UK -

Shouting fire in a theatre - A video montage of the Geert Wilders debate


At the end of the video, Lord Pearson explains why he supported inviting
Geert Wilders to show his film FITNA thusly:

@ 4:31 "What Baroness Cox and I are trying to do is promote discussion,
particularly amongst the vast majority of the mild Muslim population who
have really got to start discussing what the Qur'an means amongst
themselves and against their co-religionists who perpetrated everything
you saw in that film {FITNA}. So, which way around is the hate? Is it
'us' that hate 'them'? Or, is it 'them' that hate 'us', and why?

"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in FALSELY shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic" - Justic Oliver Wendell Holmes

Dialogue or Censorship? - Make your choice.


Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:57:00 pm  

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