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Friday, August 27, 2010

ITALY GETS IT

Italy: Islam denied income tax revenue



We've had some discussion here on whether Islam is a a religion or not. I contend it is not a religion, but is, instead, a Religio-political organization.Other IBA contributors maintain Islam is a religion, and therefore, deserves the full protection afforded to religions by the law.

Count Italy as an entire nation which agrees with me.

From Eye on the World:
Reason? Radical imams, polygamy and failure to uphold women's rights by Muslims immigrants are obstacles to recognising Islam as an official religion in Italy.Rome, 27 August (AKI) -
Mosques in Italy will not receive a share of income tax revenue the Italian government allocates to religious faiths each year. Hindu and Buddhist temples, Greek Orthodox churches and Jehovah's Witnesses will be eligible for the funds, according to a bill approved by the Italian cabinet in May and still must be approved by parliament.

Until now, the government had earmarked 8 percent of income tax revenue for Italy's established churches. The great majority of these funds go to the Catholic Church, although if they wish, individual tax payers may elect to give the money to charities and cultural projects instead.

The head of COREIS, one of Italy's largest Muslim groups, Yahya Pallavicini, said he was bitter that Islam had been denied the revenue from Italian income tax.

"Work should be begun on legally recognising those moderate Muslims who have for years shown themselves to be reliable interlocutors who are free of and fundamentalist ideology," he said.

Islam is not an established religion in Italy and there is only one official mosque in the country, Rome's Grand Mosque (photo). Politicians from the ruling coalition cite radical imams, polygamy and failure to uphold women's rights by Muslims immigrants as obstacles to recognising Islam as an official religion in Italy.

Until now, only the Catholic Church, Judaism and other established churches including Lutherans, Evangelists, Waldensians and 7th-day Adventists have received the income tax revenue from the Itallain government.

There are between one million and 1.5 million Muslims in Italy and 130 mosques linked the Muslim umbrella organisation UCOII across the country.
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83 Comments:

Blogger Khurram said...

I think that all the major Abrahamic faith - Christianity, Islam and Judaism - are hateful and evil.

As an Atheist I am supportive of those who understand that.

Usually, attacks on Islam are funded by Christian and Jewish hate groups. Atheists should not fall into this trap.

Secularism is based on not favoring any religion and keeping god and all religions out of public affairs and affairs of the state.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:20:00 am  
Blogger rumcrook™ said...

Usually, attacks on Islam are funded by Christian and Jewish hate groups. Atheists should not fall into this trap.

I think thats blather.

islam does more than enough damage in the world through countless hundreds of millions of murdered people that I quite think its impossible to bismairch it with falsehoods,

and the thought your going to label any group from the jews or the christians a hate group trying to hurt islams reputation is laughable

get it? laughable I am laughing my ass off as I write this...

and eating a ham sandwich with a beer...

Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

Pastorius,

Good. Personally, I don't think any religious institution should get state funding, but this still makes me very happy.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 6:31:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

Khurram,

What you just said is nonsense. You can't discount criticisms of Islam, just because they happen to be coming from Christians or Jews. Not all religious people who strongly disapprove of Islam, are bigots. Also, can you name me one highly respected Christian or Jewish leader, who supports any of the following?

1 Executing homosexuals,

2 Executing apostates

3 four male witness to prove a women was raped

4 the right of a husband to beat his wife

5 Death threats and terrorism as a legitimate means of spreading the faith.

Note that people from the medieval era or the dark ages, don't count. I'm talking about people who are alive today. Not to mention the fact that unlike Mohammad, Jesus was never really big on violence, and modern Jews as a whole, really don't see conquest as a noble act.

Also there are plenty of Atheists who have said things openly critical of Islam, who would agree with at least many of the things said by religious Christian and Jewish critics of Islam, even if they also look down upon Christianity and Judaism. All you have to do is browse through Youtube.

Let's see, there's Thunderf00t,as well as, Pat Condel, and, Akatam0t0ma to name a few, in addition to one's like Bosch Fawstin, who don't have a youtube channel.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:04:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Damien
It is not Islam that does those horrible things - it is Muslims.

You can say that many Muslims are bigoted and fanatic. But the fact is that they are following Islam. And that is the crux of the matter.

The thing is the same can be said about Christianity and Judaism.

If Christians and Jews no longer do all those horrible things, then it is because Christians and Jews have reformed - and not because Christianity and Judaism are better.

There are Muslims also who do not kill homosexuals nor care to apply a rigorous form of shariah on their lives and the lives of others.

So, as Islam will remain horrid, Muslims can reform themselves and their society can reform into a more secular one - as has happened for the Christians and Jews in the last few hundred years.

So the criticism on Islam by those who believe in Christianity and Judaism cannot be accepted as an honest criticism as Christians and Jews have their own religion to criticize which is often even more horrid than Islam - it is just that Christians and Jews no longer follow it literally like the Muslims follow Islam.

Capice?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:05:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

khurram


what you say about christianity is bullshit.

mohammad the perfect example for muslims for all times, was a pedophile, mass-murderer, mutilator, rapist, plunderer, incendiary, etc...

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:15:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Damien
Terrorism and death threats are not how Islam is spread nor how Muslims believe it is spread.
Death threats and terrorism represent Al Qaeda which is a political group.

Those fanatic Muslims who believe in death penalty for adultery, murder, apostasy and blasphemy also condemn the terrorism of Al Qaeda

Terrorism and Islam are two separate monsters.

And Christianity and Judaism are even more evil than Islam.

Today, modern Christians and Jews are largely secular, are largely given a secular education and live in a society which separates church from state.

Muslims live in a society that is entrenched in Islamic law and the interpretation of Islam has not not changed much since the last 1000 years.

Muslims need to modernize, but Christianity and Judaism are very evil doctrines that have largely been either rejected or reformed through interpretation by Christians and Jews through secular institutions.

As atheists we must reject the rhetoric of Christian fundamentalists and certain Zionists who paint Islam as the Devil and the Judeo-Christian religion as godly.

There is no such distinction. It is theme that needs to be rejected. Christian and Zionist groups are increasing the religious rhetoric in creating an end-time scenario of hate and bigotry.

This bigotry must stop. We must put forth the facst that all these Abrahamic faiths are by and large the same hateful dogma. Lest us not work into the plans of Religious fanatics.

Let us save humanity from the hateful future fundamentalist Christians, Zionists and Islamic Mullahs are wanting.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:21:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@rumrock
Islam does not do any damage.
People who believe in Islam do that damage.
People who believed in Christianity did a lot more damage when Christianity ruled Europe and Christian society took the word of their make-believe god literally.

The belief that the Islamic religion is EVIL but Christianity is the light of the lord Jesus Christ is complete crap!

Christianity is just as hateful as Islam - as has been for centuries.

When I was Muslim I never believed in killing apostates, adulterers or blasphemers as that is not mentioned in the Quran

I left Islam and became atheist because I do not believe that Islam and the Quran are moral and I found out that god is just make-believe. I saw the Quran and Islam as a bronze-age set of rules that were archaic, tribal, male-chauvanist and against the interests of humanity.

Of course what Muslims follow can range from what kind of Ahadith and Mullah interpretations they want to follow.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:27:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Khurram,

TAQIYA!

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:31:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous
muslims do not follow islam and muhammad because they believe he was a pedophile and mass murderer

muslims believe in islam because they believe muhammad to be a just and honest man.

the truth is that islam is false and there is no god

the lies about islam are just lies spread by jews and christians who mark their faith as superior.

it is like a battle of whose superhero is better.

it is all a lie. islam is not true and islam, christianity, and judaism are immoral and very much like each other.

i do not believe in islam. i completely reject it.
therefore I also do not believe in all the lies they say about muhammad either.

muhammad probably never even lived in mecca. the lies of islam must be rejected as should the lies about islam said by christians and jews

All Lies Should Be Rejected.
Do not be selective.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:32:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

muslims do not follow islam and muhammad because they believe he was a pedophile and mass murderer


THEY RAPE LITTLE GIRLS AND CALL THAT MARRIAGE, DON'T THEY?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:34:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Anonymous
I live in Lahore, Pakistan.
It is being atheist that is a threat to my life and not being Muslim

Taqiya is a term where people can hide their faith if a threat exists.

So the threat to my life would govern that I hide my atheism.

I do not hide my atheism

So no taqiya.

by the way - what is wrong with taqiya?

If I was being tortured or the lives of family and myself threated I would pretend to be what ever it takes to keep me and family alive.

I see no relevance to taqiya.

I have never met a true atheist who would be so illogical in responses, '@anonymous you must be christian or jew posing as an atheist.

otherwise you would be using rational and logical arguments. your methods reveal your religulousness.


see my blog
irreligulous.blogspot.com

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:43:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous
yes muslims rape girls
almost all muslim countries have laws against marriage that is underage

what is islamic can range from what is actually in islam to what the local mullah has been paid to declare islamic

and usually the age is 18
islamic law measures maturity not by age but by puberty.

in both cases there is no such thing as raping young girls.

I do not believe in islam and I also do not believe those rumors about muhammad having sex with a 9 year old. the quran does not even talk about polygamy!

Islam is immoral and god does not exist.

we must learn that people are religious because they actually think their religion is a higher moral authority and religion answers questions to existence and creation of life.

science answers those questions quite accurately.

that is how I became an atheist - by reading richard hawkins and wathcing those lectures at Beyond Belief.

Muslims across the globe preach about marriage valuse and people from Muslims countries actually have better family value than the abusive and dysfunctional western model

but islam is wrong because it is false, immoral and unjust.

Ciao!

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:52:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

taqiya = DECEIT!





I live in Lahore, Pakistan.
It is being atheist that is a threat to my life and not being Muslim







Terrorism and death threats are not how Islam is spread nor how Muslims believe it is spread.






it sounds you are... confused about islam?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:54:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous
you said taqiya is deceit

so?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:56:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

if you said that muslims believe that allah is a pink fairy,

I would say not they do not believe so

islam is wrong
we are all clear about that

but as an ex-muslim I know what islam is and what isn;t

and sunni do not follow taqiya
and taqiya is not a bad thing

taqiya means lying to save one;s life

I would do that

so would you when alqaeda has your balls in a wrench

Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:59:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

taqiya means lying to save one;s life

I would do that

so would you when alqaeda has your balls in a wrench





i'm talking about the taqiya you post on this blog. example:





the quran does not even talk about polygamy!

Koran 4:3
«And if you fear that you will not be able to deal justly with the oppressed women [Yatama- literally, the Orphans among women-see the context], then marry from among them two or three or four, but if you fear you wont be just [even then], then marry only one.»

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:08:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous
you think that I would be killed i it was found that I am not atheist?

you think the pakistani authorities would kill me for being a muslim and lying about being atheist?

....have you stopped taking your medications?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:12:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not believe in islam and I also do not believe those rumors about muhammad having sex with a 9 year old.


65.4 “If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months”.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:18:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous
you nitwit
that is not even about child marriage
it is about divorcing a woman and to wait till she has a perios as you cannot divorce a woman who is pregnant until she has a baby and the baby is born with the rightful mother and father.

you are so stupid. every woman who is not pregnant has a period every 28 days. this verse is about waiting to see if the woman is pregnant or not.

get real

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:25:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and I also do not believe those rumors about muhammad having sex with a 9 year old.



When Ayesha reached the age of 6 Prophet decided to ask for her hand.

Abu Bakr: Rasulullah you must be joking. She is hardly six years old. And you are in your fiftees.


Prophet: She is old enough for me.


Abu Bakr: Didn’t you marry off your own daughters when they were much older.?.


Prophet: That was before aya 65.4 was revealed. Now a muslim can marry even a day old infant girl.


Abu: “But Rasulullah you called me your brother , how can you marry your foster niece”.


Prophet:” But you are not my real brother you are only a “ brother in Islam”.



Muslim Book 62, Number 18:

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."



Abu: “But Rasulullah, last week you turned down Hamza’s daughter (who was ugly and in her teens) . You said you cannot marry your foster niece**.


Bukharihari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 37:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "


Prophet: “Allah had shown her to me in my dreams, that was Allah’s indication for me to marry her, I am helpless in this matter”.

Abu: “I will let you marry her only on one condition, you will have to abstain from having sexual intercourse with the little one before she turns 9”.


Prophet: “O.K. but I will not abstain from using other halal methods of pleasuring.”




http://www.islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Pedophilia-Islam-Allah-allowed-Prophet-Muhammad-Practised.htm

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:26:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

Khurram,

What you are saying is wrong on so many levels,

First of all, you seem to be saying that just because something is said of one religion that's bad, about another religion, it must be false, but if an atheist says it than maybe its true. But if a theist says it about another religion, it must be bigotry. By the way, I'm not an atheist, but I don't technically believe in any of the three Abraham faiths. Maybe you think I'm a bigot, but I'm not. For one thing I don't think that all Muslims are violent the Jihadists, but the religion, in its holy texts specifically calls for the subjugation of all none Muslims by any means necessary, and so did its "prophet." Islam at its core has been political, since the day of its "prophet," and Al Quada is simply doing things that the Koran and the Hadiths and Suna tell Muslims they must do.

Oh and they are by far not the only one's like that. Here's an entire website on the subject of Islamic Terrorism and Jihad, and the darker aspects of Islam's history. The Religion of Peace

As for what is wrong with taqiya, it is a form of religiously sanctioned lying often with the sole purpose of spreading the religion of Islam. It is not just to protect one's self when one is being persecuted. Entire groups like CAIR exist with the sole purpose of fooling non Muslims, in order to spread Sharia, (Islamic Law) to non Islamic countries like America. Do you know what Sharia in America would mean for non Muslims living here or anywhere else, including yourself? I did not assume that you were a Muslim, practicing taqiya by the way. But you are wrong.

The Koran also has something in it called abrogation,and if you see a peaceful verse calling for tolerance like the one you just quoted, chances are it was abrogated by a later more violent intolerant verse. Even so, of course some Muslims will ignore the hateful, violent verses, but lots of Muslim fundamentalists, also known as Jihadists, will quote the peaceful tolerant verses to fool infidels, when they believe that those verses no longer apply, or perhaps only apply when Muslims are not the majority and can't away with slitting your throat.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:26:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it doesn't say period,

it says menstruation age.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:28:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

....have you stopped taking your medications?

you are so stupid.



WHY DON'T YOU TALK LIKE THAT WITH ALQAEDA?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:33:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

Khurram,

The stuff about Muhammad committing Pedophilia is true, as well as polygamy being sanctioned by the religion. Ask someone like, Nonie Darwish a brave woman, who fears for her life, as former Muslim.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:35:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

Khurram, and Anonymous,

This is for both of you. Insult is not an argument. Saying things to the person you are debating like, you're stupid or you're a nitwit, is not convincing at all, and it only serves to make you look like a jerk.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Darwin
I do not have faith in Islam nor those things about Muhammad committing pedophilia

To believe he committed pedophilia I would have to believe in the INFALLIBILIIY of a chain of Arab narrators that spread stories from generation to generation without putting in any written form.

As an atheist I cannot believe is such things as infallibility and I do not have FAITH in trusting the words of Arabs who lived 1000 years ago.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Damien
No.
I am saying that Islam is false and evil

I just reject the notion that Christianity and Judaism are peaceful and great religions

and I am also pointing out that many things that Christians and Jews are saying is false.

I am not saying something is false because someone is saying it.

I am saying something is false AND the someone who is saying it saying those things for a reason


Replace the BECAUSE with an AND

Ciao!

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sunan Abu Dawood Vol3 Bk36 N0 4917:
Then they brought me to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and he had sexual intercourse with me . I was nine years old.

Sunan Nasai Bk of Marriage, No 3256:
A'ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married me when I was six and had sexual intercourse with me when I was nine and I was playing with dolls.



http://www.islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Pedophilia-Islam-Allah-allowed-Prophet-Muhammad-Practised.htm

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:40:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damien said...
Khurram, and Anonymous,

This is for both of you. Insult is not an argument. Saying things to the person you are debating like, you're stupid or you're a nitwit, is not convincing at all, and it only serves to make you look like a jerk.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39:00 AM



it was not i who said that.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:42:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Damien
I think that "anonymous" is saying that I am practicing taqiya and it is deception.

I am an athiest and I do not think anyone has any written to question that.

Nor do I think it is irrelevant.

He has put a verse that refers to waiting for a woman to have a period before divorce

if a woman is waiting for monthly menstruation, that does not refer to her age but to phase in her menstruation cycle - regardless of age.

adding "child" in parenthesis does not solve the argument.

I think you tell "anonymous" to not put taqiya in to the argument as I am not Muslim and whether I am being deceptive about my atheism or not has no bearing on the argument.

It is typical of those who lose argument to turn from the argument to the identity of the person who is posting the comment.

It is not me who is "ANONYMOUS" it is him or her.

I am very much an atheist
please visit my blog and post comments there.

irreligulous.blogspot.com

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:45:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@rumrock
If you look at the stats, Muslims in Europe and North America do not indulge in crime and murder any more than any other group.

Please do not confuse the Al Qaeda led war against the United States with the evils of Islam.

Evil and malicious Muslim mullahs can be malicious while still supporting the US. Many patriotic Americans are Muslims while they still believe in a hateful god and a hateful religion.

the war al qaeda is waging is against the US and those who ally with it. I oppose al qaeda but would be quick to note that there are muslims who also oppose alqaeda but still support the implementation of shariah

please separate the two monsters. they are very different. al qaeda does not employ islamic law in its tactics - it creates islamic law of itself.

there is nothing in the islamic texts that can support 9/11

islam has its very serious flaws...but please do not confuse the issue by letting Zionist hatred hijack what was once a very rational and logical approach to disproving religions.

Athiest movements against religion were once quite rational and used science and reasoning.

however the very trait of religion can now be found in anti-religion movements simply because the rational and reasoned approach is being hijacked by an irrational and hateful Zionists funded approach that seeks to promote religion in the guise of anti-islamic rhetoric.

they final result is that they are saying islam is not a real religion and THAT IS WHY IT IS EVIL.

my point is Islam is a religion JUST LIKE JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY

AND IT IS EVIL.

capice?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:53:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

Khurram,

Even if it was not true about Muhammad committing Pedophilia, it is in the Koran, and he is still regarded as the perfect human being by Muslims and the Koran is still regard as the perfect uncorrupted word of Allah by Muslims. Now think about that for a moment please. Also there is plenty of Historic evidence of Islam being spread by the sword, by both Islamic and Non Islamic sources, sometimes the victims of Islamic Jihad.

Now, I'm sorry, if I misunderstood what you meant about Christians and Jews criticizing Muslims.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:53:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

khurram also called me nitwit

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:53:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

you quoted:
Sunan Abu Dawood Vol3 Bk36 N0 4917:
& Sunan Nasai Bk of Marriage, No 3256:

I say that like the Quran is false, so is what you have posted.

It was written 200 years after Muhammad;s death. It was in oral form before written.

As an atheist I reject that as true.

I can give you OTHER sources that contradict that and state that Aisha was an adult BEFORE MARRIAGE.

But I do no believe them either.

Also, when I WAS a Muslim I was Quranist Muslim (free-minds.org) and rejected Ahadith as false.

NOw as an Atheist, I reject all of Islam as false.

I am not even sure Muhammad even lived in Mecca - just as I doubt Jesus even existed.

Ciao!

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:58:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

Anonymous,

You wrote,

"Damien said...
Khurram, and Anonymous,

This is for both of you. Insult is not an argument. Saying things to the person you are debating like, you're stupid or you're a nitwit, is not convincing at all, and it only serves to make you look like a jerk.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39:00 AM



it was not i who said that."

also, I'll assume you are the same person who wrote this,

"khurram also called me nitwit"

Sorry, but unlike other user names, more than one person can post Anonymous. That's one reason to get a user name. you don't even have to use your real name if you don't want to.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:59:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Damien
The pedophilia is not in the QUran but is mentioned in ahadith that not all Muslims believe in.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:59:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

«my point is Islam is a religion JUST LIKE JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY.»

you are just showing your ignorance.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:00:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

khurram calls himself an atheist but he talks like stealth-jihadists.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:01:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there is nothing in the islamic texts that can support 9/11


it's called the greater jihad.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:04:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Damien
The Quran does not mention pedophilia. There are ahadith that mention it. There are over 700,000 ahadith. Muslims believe in some 7000 of them (less than 1%).

Not all Muslims agree that ahadith to be valid. And it is often quoted more by anti-Muslim websites

no muslim country's laws permit marriage to a girl who has not reached puberty. in fact, the laws of almost all muslim countries have age limits which are often 18 years.

in 1910, portugal has an age of consent of 12 years. now it is 14. spain is still 12!

some people would call that pedophilia but it is not.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:04:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damien said...
Anonymous,

You wrote,

"Damien said...
Khurram, and Anonymous,

This is for both of you. Insult is not an argument. Saying things to the person you are debating like, you're stupid or you're a nitwit, is not convincing at all, and it only serves to make you look like a jerk.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39:00 AM



it was not i who said that."

also, I'll assume you are the same person who wrote this,

"khurram also called me nitwit"

Sorry, but unlike other user names, more than one person can post Anonymous. That's one reason to get a user name. you don't even have to use your real name if you don't want to.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:59:00 AM




now what? are picking up on the «gypsy» while the stealth-jihadist gets its way?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:07:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anoymous
stoning for adultery - not in quran but in bible

stoning for blasphemy - not in quran but in bible

stoning for apostasy - not in quran but in bible

circumcision - not in quran but in bible

seems like all the above pracites of Islam were taken from the Bible

the truth is Jews borrowed their religion form Babylonia or somewhre.....and Muslims borrowed from Judaism.

It is all one evil.

Islam is evil
Christianiy is evil
Judaism is evil
Religion is evil

Accept that and you are being honestly rational

If you do not and only choose Islam then you are actualy a Christian fundamentalist or hateful Zionist and spewing out poisn.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:08:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

anonymous said:
"khurram calls himself an atheist but he talks like stealth-jihadists"

I say Islam and Jihad are evil
you are "anonymous"

I only need to call myself atheist and reject god and religion

I do not need to support all that rhetoric against Islam which is not true.

by the way, the thing about stealth jihadists is that they do not talk like stealth jihadists.

if I do, then I am not one.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:11:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stoning for adultery - not in quran but in bible

stoning for blasphemy - not in quran but in bible

stoning for apostasy - not in quran but in bible

circumcision - not in quran but in bible

seems like all the above pracites of Islam were taken from the Bible




you are an ignorant.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:13:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonynous

greater jihad is just a greater struggle for inner peace

the going to war is called QITAL


Al Qaeda attacks mosques and worshippers

...and all scholars of every muslim country had denounced Al qaeda

but my issue with them is that they do not denounce Shariah

I don;t really care about al qaeda
al qaeda attacks imperialism and muslim mosques

I am more concerned with those mullahs who preach shariah

ciao!

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:14:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.

in 1910, portugal has an age of consent of 12 years. now it is 14. spain is still 12!




mohammad consumated the «marriage» when aisha was 8 years old

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:17:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

do you believe in islam?
if not then why do believe that muhammad conssummated his marriage when aisha was 8 or 9?

how can you not believe in something but believe in it?

you are not making sense at all

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:18:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am more concerned with those mullahs who preach shariah


CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT HAVE SHARIA.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:19:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

bible:
Deuteronomy 13:6-11 "If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, `Let us go and serve other gods,' which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples that are round about you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him; but you shall kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and never again do any such wickedness as this among you.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:22:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

like islam, judaism is just as evil if not more

from the bible
Leviticus 24:10-16 Now an Israelite woman's son, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the people of Israel; and the Israelite woman's son and a man of Israel quarreled in the camp, and the Israelite woman's son blasphemed the Name, and cursed. And they brought him to Moses. His mother's name was Shelo'mith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. And they put him in custody, till the will of the LORD should be declared to them. And the LORD said to Moses, "Bring out of the camp him who cursed; and let all who heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him. And say to the people of Israel, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. He who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

Leviticus 24:23 So Moses spoke to the people of Israel; and they brought him who had cursed out of the camp, and stoned him with stones. Thus the people of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:24:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

the evils of the bible make you realize that Islam is but an evil branch of an evil religion called judaism

from the bible:

Stoning for being a medium or a wizard

Leviticus 20:27 "A man or a woman who is a medium or a wizard shall be put to death; they shall be stoned with stones, their blood shall be upon them."

Stoning for breaking the Sabbath

Numbers 15:32-36 While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him in custody, because it had not been made plain what should be done to him. And the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." And all the congregation brought him outside the camp, and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:25:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

christianity has shariah
christians no longer implement it!

the evil is still there...christians are no longer following their own evil religion

christianity is evil
judaism is evil
islam is evil


now do I sound like a jihadist to you?

what about:

muhammad was a deluded epileptic who had fits

now does that prove my allegiance to jihad and islam?

the truth is that you are a christian fundamentalist and a zionist

your racism and hatred stinks

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:27:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

The God of Christianity wants you to murder those who do no believe in him, the god wants you to murder all fornicators, blasphemers and homosexuals.

Such an evil religion! Seems like Islam, Christianity and Judaism all come from one evil...the theistic belief in this hebrew god of hate.

The Bible teaches that God murders. A Lot! Here are a very small percentage of the total Bible passages approving of murder, rape, slavery, war etc in the Bible.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)


Death for Hitting your father or mother

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:33:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

The Christians believe in a god wants you to destoy a whole town if even one person worships another god!

Seems like Al Qaeda need not just quote Islam - but can find good friends in Christiaity and Judaism

Christianity and Judaism are also Al Qaeda compliant

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.

Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:35:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LIKE I SAID, YOU ARE IGNORANT. FIGURE IT OUT!

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:47:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Khurram said...
@anonymous

do you believe in islam?
if not then why do believe that muhammad conssummated his marriage when aisha was 8 or 9?

how can you not believe in something but believe in it?

you are not making sense at all

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:18:00 AM





do you believe in christianity? if not then why do you believe what you post about it?

how can you not believe in something but believe in it?

you are not making sense at all

Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:58:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"or hateful Zionist and spewing out poisn."




Q. How many Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?


A. None. They prefer to stay in the dark and then blame it on the Jews.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:11:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

you said:
"Q. How many Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?
"A. None. They prefer to stay in the dark and then blame it on the Jews. "
--------------------

I do not blame the jews. I blame judaism.

at fault
1/ muslims
2/ judaism
3/ islam
3/ christianity

jews are not being blamed as by and large THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THEIR RELIGION

you are ignorand and a bigot

your joke pertains to all people who believe in religion - and not just muslims

Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:25:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

you are ignorant, hateful, bigoted and a racist.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:26:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous
you support hateful religions and terrorism.

you lie and mislead and commit deceit.

you attack people online and make baseless accusation.

you make fun of people and make insulting jokes that are hateful and bigoted

you are shameless and an embarrassment to your self. you deny the facts in front of you and know neither logic nor reason.

your attempts have only highlighted the futility of the Zionists and Christian extremists who lie, cheat and plunder other people's land

Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:30:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous
your posts are full of hate and are lies and evil deceit

your remarks are putrid and stink of the zionist racism and christian extremist filth that you seek to defend.

you are a liar and are ignorant.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:31:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

khurram

didn't you forget something?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:25:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mohammad's seal of prophethood:


A protruding fleshy enlargement on his upper back between his shoulders. It was about the size of a dove's egg, it was marked by hair and warts or moles.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:40:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ramadan 2010 scorecard

DAY 15


terror attacks in the name of the religion of peace:

94

in the name of all other religions:

0

dead bodies in the name of the religion of peace:

396

in the name of all other religions:

0


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zENuDflPejY/THWy-WU34KI/AAAAAAAAE2Q/-RKM4AUXKO4/s1600/ramadan+scorecard+7.JPG

Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:50:00 pm  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous
that makes muslims look bad
they are bad


that is what I am saying

muslims are doing evil things by following their evil religion

christians and jews = no longer following their religion

objective of atheists - to make muslims also realize that religion is false and not follow religion

objective of zionists and christian fundamentalists - to make christians and jews become religious so christians and jews can replace the muslims as blood shedding murderous hordes.

and it is working

as the sccore card in ramadan reads that christians and jews have killed a lot more muslims in bomb attacks than the christian and jew paid agents called al qaeda

that is nothing compared to odd sheep shag by some sheikh in occupied shalomistan

ciao!

Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:57:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

"The Christians believe in a god wants you to destoy a whole town if even one person worships another god!"

Prove that assertion.

I believe that a ridiculous assertion and I am not Christian.
______________________________

A religion CEASES to be a religion when it claims it jurisdictional 'religious law' supersedes the laws approved by the people.

I think that's pretty clear. If the religion maintains it's goal is a system which violates the sovereignty of the people (BY ANY MEANS) IT CANNOT BE A RELIGION since it's fulfillment is political.

Fill in the blanks. That is true for ANY religion. It is BLIND to any specific religion.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:58:00 pm  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Epaminondas

my point exactly
in the days of old when christians took a literal and fanatic and extremist interpretation of their religion, they acted just as some muslims are acting now

mr anonymous denies this truth

atheists like myself are always pointing out that religion is wrong and we always go against religion.

but mr anonymous ignores this

we cannot defeat religious extremism by supporting racism, bigotry and dogma

religion is defeated by science and rational thinking.

but if people are being irrational, unscientific and factually incorrect when accusing Islam then are they not creating a monster to kill a monster?

Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:14:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

" religion is wrong "

INTOLERANCE, Khurram.

If anything, my entire research and academic experience has pointed out to me, that THIS IS ALL NOT THE RESULT OF CHANCE .. if for no other reason than that every critical biological/biochemical/genetic molecular action of consequence is a result of, and because of the weakest force in nature applied in the most complex and unbelievable elegant fashion.

The hydrogen bond.

Now could it be chance?
Sure.

But so could the explanation be OTHER.

Deity? Alien?

Either way... tolerance is required.

I support NO DOGMA.

Organized religion is the invention of man (even though I support one). It is needed by men.

Not God.

Islam cannot be true since if for no other reason, it posits the existence of a perfect being who is simultaneously a racist. It's answer is that since that being is perfect it cannot be racism, but instead the difference of a single race and religion. Anyone who cannot see thru to the end of that sequence has some inner compulsion which will never yield to logic and reason. Many have simply never had to think about that sequence.

Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:30:00 pm  
Blogger Khurram said...

@Epaminondas
somewhat true
and yet when you look at a non-theistic interpretation of the religon of buddhism you see that even the buddha says:
"you will not be punished for your anger. You will be punished by your anger"

putting humanity at the center of rocus instead of a deity makes all the difference

I read an expose by Sam Harris which posits that even pleasure is moral. Human happiness, pleasure and charity are all good things.

Theistic religion puts the happines of a deity at the center of focus and make human suffering a virtue

Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:36:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as the sccore card in ramadan reads that christians and jews have killed a lot more muslims in bomb attacks than the christian and jew paid agents called al qaeda


khurram... quran? (lol)

it's never islam, is it?

Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:16:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

«my point exactly
in the days of old when christians took a literal and fanatic and extremist interpretation of their religion, they acted just as some muslims are acting now

mr anonymous denies this truth»




islam and christianity are not the same.

Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:25:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

oh anonymous - got you there!

oh it is islam...almost always
it is that what I am saying

but it WAS christianity and judasm

oh it IS islam....all the time

yes Islam is evil

christianity and judaism are evil as beens which were killed and slaughtered by secularism...yes the bible torn to shreds by secular law.

thus making christianity and judaism a toothless pink fairy.


the same can be done to islam by people like me

but people like you want to put teeth back on christianity and judaism by radicalizing western society against islam

in the end what you hope to achieve is argmageddon.

my attempts are to stop this hateful crusade of yours by revealing ISLAM TO BE EVIL AND JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANIT TO BE EVIL

and I am winning

Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:43:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but people like you want to put teeth back on christianity and judaism by radicalizing western society against islam

in the end what you hope to achieve is argmageddon.

my attempts are to stop this hateful crusade of yours by revealing ISLAM TO BE EVIL AND JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANIT TO BE EVIL

and I am winning




lol




Mohammed was an absolutely illiterate man, and the Koran, in which his sayings are collected, is ninety-nine percent rubbish. You can just open the book anywhere and read it, and you will be convinced of what I am saying. I am not saying on a certain page — anywhere. You just open the book accidentally, read the page and you will be convinced of what I am saying.

Whatsoever one percent truth there is here and there in the Koran is not Mohammed's. It is just ordinary, ancient wisdom that uneducated people collect easily — more easily than the educated people, because educated people have far better sources of information — books, libraries, universities, scholars. The uneducated, simply by hearing the old people, collect a few words of wisdom here and there. And those words are significant, because for thousands of years they have been tested and found somehow true. So it is the wisdom of the ages that is scattered here and there; otherwise, it is the most ordinary book possible in the world.

Muslims have been asking me, "Why don't you speak on the Koran? You have spoken on The Bible, on the Gita, this and that." I could not say to them that it is all rubbish; I simply went on postponing. Even just before I went into silence, a Muslim scholar sent the latest English version of the Koran, praying me to speak on it. But now I have to say that it is all rubbish, that is why I have not spoken on it — because why unnecessarily waste time?
-- Osho

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:14:00 am  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous
true what you said about the koran. but i really doubt if muhammad was illiterate. the word "ummi" means "gentile" and not illiterate - but of course muslims belive him to be illiteate as do you!

the koran is a terrible book but is irrelevant to islam and muslims

the koran is but a magic book of spells...muslims (most muslims cannot understand arabic) just recite it and thing the jinns and demons will go away

quite silly actually

but the teeth of islam is in the ahadith - a copy from the bible actually!

take care bigot.
you are a bigot and so hateful
do the zionists pay you in shekels?

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:06:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

«but the teeth of islam is in the ahadith»

koran:

"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." (Quran, 4:34)



"Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great." (Quran, 4:34)


"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Quran, 4:34)

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:02:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

«a copy from the bible actually!»


islam = moloch (molech, molekh, molek, or moloc)

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:15:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

«do the zionists pay you in shekels?»


lol

do the islamists pay you in mohammad's brothel?


lol

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:17:00 pm  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

sorry but that is not in the quran

men are not in charge of women....they have been held responsible for their upkeep...it actually makes the women the bosses

and it goes on to say that you cannot just divorce them. you have to first tell them you are not happy..then if it is still very bad...you can deny her your presence in best

..then as a last resort you can SEPARATE from her and the divroce is complete.

the term "adribu" has been translated as SEPARATE every where else in the Quran and I see no reason why it should not be SEPARATE.

you are quoting from an english text. the Quran is in Arabic

the koran is vile and immoral

but it does not advocate that men should beat women.

for that you need the BIBLE

the shitty BIBLE

repeat after me:
SHITTY BIBLE
SHITTY BIBLE
SHITTY BIBLE

and you are a hateful bigot



ciao!

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:18:00 pm  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous asked me:" do the islamists pay you in mohammad's brothel?"

the punishment for my apostasy is death
so instead I visit the brother named after the Sikh Heera Singh in Lahore Pakistan

wanna come visit?

or are you into little jewish boys?
or perhaps a welsh sheep might interest you?

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:26:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

islam is the ramblings of the schizofrenic mohammad

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:28:00 pm  
Blogger Khurram said...

@anonymous

anonymous said : " islam is the ramblings of the schizofrenic mohammad"

no
that;s the koran

islam is just the bible plain and simple


ciao!

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:31:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

or are you into little jewish boys?
or perhaps a welsh sheep might interest you?



you must be thinking of your fake prophet, the pig pedophile, pederast, necrophile, zoophile, mass murderer mohammad.


: "A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." - ayatollah khomeini

"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned." - ayatollah khomeini


"It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven." - ayatollah khomeini

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister." - ayatollah khomeini

Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:40:00 pm  

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