Italy: Islam denied income tax revenue
We've had some discussion here on whether Islam is a a religion or not. I contend it is not a religion, but is, instead, a Religio-political organization.Other IBA contributors maintain Islam is a religion, and therefore, deserves the full protection afforded to religions by the law.
Count Italy as an entire nation which agrees with me.
From Eye on the World:
Reason? Radical imams, polygamy and failure to uphold women's rights by Muslims immigrants are obstacles to recognising Islam as an official religion in Italy.Rome, 27 August (AKI) -
Mosques in Italy will not receive a share of income tax revenue the Italian government allocates to religious faiths each year. Hindu and Buddhist temples, Greek Orthodox churches and Jehovah's Witnesses will be eligible for the funds, according to a bill approved by the Italian cabinet in May and still must be approved by parliament.
Until now, the government had earmarked 8 percent of income tax revenue for Italy's established churches. The great majority of these funds go to the Catholic Church, although if they wish, individual tax payers may elect to give the money to charities and cultural projects instead.
The head of COREIS, one of Italy's largest Muslim groups, Yahya Pallavicini, said he was bitter that Islam had been denied the revenue from Italian income tax.
"Work should be begun on legally recognising those moderate Muslims who have for years shown themselves to be reliable interlocutors who are free of and fundamentalist ideology," he said.
Islam is not an established religion in Italy and there is only one official mosque in the country, Rome's Grand Mosque (photo). Politicians from the ruling coalition cite radical imams, polygamy and failure to uphold women's rights by Muslims immigrants as obstacles to recognising Islam as an official religion in Italy.
Until now, only the Catholic Church, Judaism and other established churches including Lutherans, Evangelists, Waldensians and 7th-day Adventists have received the income tax revenue from the Itallain government.
There are between one million and 1.5 million Muslims in Italy and 130 mosques linked the Muslim umbrella organisation UCOII across the country.
65 comments:
I think that all the major Abrahamic faith - Christianity, Islam and Judaism - are hateful and evil.
As an Atheist I am supportive of those who understand that.
Usually, attacks on Islam are funded by Christian and Jewish hate groups. Atheists should not fall into this trap.
Secularism is based on not favoring any religion and keeping god and all religions out of public affairs and affairs of the state.
Usually, attacks on Islam are funded by Christian and Jewish hate groups. Atheists should not fall into this trap.
I think thats blather.
islam does more than enough damage in the world through countless hundreds of millions of murdered people that I quite think its impossible to bismairch it with falsehoods,
and the thought your going to label any group from the jews or the christians a hate group trying to hurt islams reputation is laughable
get it? laughable I am laughing my ass off as I write this...
and eating a ham sandwich with a beer...
Pastorius,
Good. Personally, I don't think any religious institution should get state funding, but this still makes me very happy.
Khurram,
What you just said is nonsense. You can't discount criticisms of Islam, just because they happen to be coming from Christians or Jews. Not all religious people who strongly disapprove of Islam, are bigots. Also, can you name me one highly respected Christian or Jewish leader, who supports any of the following?
1 Executing homosexuals,
2 Executing apostates
3 four male witness to prove a women was raped
4 the right of a husband to beat his wife
5 Death threats and terrorism as a legitimate means of spreading the faith.
Note that people from the medieval era or the dark ages, don't count. I'm talking about people who are alive today. Not to mention the fact that unlike Mohammad, Jesus was never really big on violence, and modern Jews as a whole, really don't see conquest as a noble act.
Also there are plenty of Atheists who have said things openly critical of Islam, who would agree with at least many of the things said by religious Christian and Jewish critics of Islam, even if they also look down upon Christianity and Judaism. All you have to do is browse through Youtube.
Let's see, there's Thunderf00t,as well as, Pat Condel, and, Akatam0t0ma to name a few, in addition to one's like Bosch Fawstin, who don't have a youtube channel.
Khurram,
TAQIYA!
@anonymous
muslims do not follow islam and muhammad because they believe he was a pedophile and mass murderer
muslims believe in islam because they believe muhammad to be a just and honest man.
the truth is that islam is false and there is no god
the lies about islam are just lies spread by jews and christians who mark their faith as superior.
it is like a battle of whose superhero is better.
it is all a lie. islam is not true and islam, christianity, and judaism are immoral and very much like each other.
i do not believe in islam. i completely reject it.
therefore I also do not believe in all the lies they say about muhammad either.
muhammad probably never even lived in mecca. the lies of islam must be rejected as should the lies about islam said by christians and jews
All Lies Should Be Rejected.
Do not be selective.
@Anonymous
I live in Lahore, Pakistan.
It is being atheist that is a threat to my life and not being Muslim
Taqiya is a term where people can hide their faith if a threat exists.
So the threat to my life would govern that I hide my atheism.
I do not hide my atheism
So no taqiya.
by the way - what is wrong with taqiya?
If I was being tortured or the lives of family and myself threated I would pretend to be what ever it takes to keep me and family alive.
I see no relevance to taqiya.
I have never met a true atheist who would be so illogical in responses, '@anonymous you must be christian or jew posing as an atheist.
otherwise you would be using rational and logical arguments. your methods reveal your religulousness.
see my blog
irreligulous.blogspot.com
@anonymous
you said taqiya is deceit
so?
taqiya means lying to save one;s life
I would do that
so would you when alqaeda has your balls in a wrench
i'm talking about the taqiya you post on this blog. example:
the quran does not even talk about polygamy!
Koran 4:3
«And if you fear that you will not be able to deal justly with the oppressed women [Yatama- literally, the Orphans among women-see the context], then marry from among them two or three or four, but if you fear you wont be just [even then], then marry only one.»
@anonymous
you think that I would be killed i it was found that I am not atheist?
you think the pakistani authorities would kill me for being a muslim and lying about being atheist?
....have you stopped taking your medications?
I do not believe in islam and I also do not believe those rumors about muhammad having sex with a 9 year old.
65.4 “If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months”.
@anonymous
you nitwit
that is not even about child marriage
it is about divorcing a woman and to wait till she has a perios as you cannot divorce a woman who is pregnant until she has a baby and the baby is born with the rightful mother and father.
you are so stupid. every woman who is not pregnant has a period every 28 days. this verse is about waiting to see if the woman is pregnant or not.
get real
and I also do not believe those rumors about muhammad having sex with a 9 year old.
When Ayesha reached the age of 6 Prophet decided to ask for her hand.
Abu Bakr: Rasulullah you must be joking. She is hardly six years old. And you are in your fiftees.
Prophet: She is old enough for me.
Abu Bakr: Didn’t you marry off your own daughters when they were much older.?.
Prophet: That was before aya 65.4 was revealed. Now a muslim can marry even a day old infant girl.
Abu: “But Rasulullah you called me your brother , how can you marry your foster niece”.
Prophet:” But you are not my real brother you are only a “ brother in Islam”.
Muslim Book 62, Number 18:
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
Abu: “But Rasulullah, last week you turned down Hamza’s daughter (who was ugly and in her teens) . You said you cannot marry your foster niece**.
Bukharihari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 37:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "
Prophet: “Allah had shown her to me in my dreams, that was Allah’s indication for me to marry her, I am helpless in this matter”.
Abu: “I will let you marry her only on one condition, you will have to abstain from having sexual intercourse with the little one before she turns 9”.
Prophet: “O.K. but I will not abstain from using other halal methods of pleasuring.”
http://www.islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Pedophilia-Islam-Allah-allowed-Prophet-Muhammad-Practised.htm
Khurram,
What you are saying is wrong on so many levels,
First of all, you seem to be saying that just because something is said of one religion that's bad, about another religion, it must be false, but if an atheist says it than maybe its true. But if a theist says it about another religion, it must be bigotry. By the way, I'm not an atheist, but I don't technically believe in any of the three Abraham faiths. Maybe you think I'm a bigot, but I'm not. For one thing I don't think that all Muslims are violent the Jihadists, but the religion, in its holy texts specifically calls for the subjugation of all none Muslims by any means necessary, and so did its "prophet." Islam at its core has been political, since the day of its "prophet," and Al Quada is simply doing things that the Koran and the Hadiths and Suna tell Muslims they must do.
Oh and they are by far not the only one's like that. Here's an entire website on the subject of Islamic Terrorism and Jihad, and the darker aspects of Islam's history. The Religion of Peace
As for what is wrong with taqiya, it is a form of religiously sanctioned lying often with the sole purpose of spreading the religion of Islam. It is not just to protect one's self when one is being persecuted. Entire groups like CAIR exist with the sole purpose of fooling non Muslims, in order to spread Sharia, (Islamic Law) to non Islamic countries like America. Do you know what Sharia in America would mean for non Muslims living here or anywhere else, including yourself? I did not assume that you were a Muslim, practicing taqiya by the way. But you are wrong.
The Koran also has something in it called abrogation,and if you see a peaceful verse calling for tolerance like the one you just quoted, chances are it was abrogated by a later more violent intolerant verse. Even so, of course some Muslims will ignore the hateful, violent verses, but lots of Muslim fundamentalists, also known as Jihadists, will quote the peaceful tolerant verses to fool infidels, when they believe that those verses no longer apply, or perhaps only apply when Muslims are not the majority and can't away with slitting your throat.
it doesn't say period,
it says menstruation age.
Khurram,
The stuff about Muhammad committing Pedophilia is true, as well as polygamy being sanctioned by the religion. Ask someone like, Nonie Darwish a brave woman, who fears for her life, as former Muslim.
@Darwin
I do not have faith in Islam nor those things about Muhammad committing pedophilia
To believe he committed pedophilia I would have to believe in the INFALLIBILIIY of a chain of Arab narrators that spread stories from generation to generation without putting in any written form.
As an atheist I cannot believe is such things as infallibility and I do not have FAITH in trusting the words of Arabs who lived 1000 years ago.
@Damien
No.
I am saying that Islam is false and evil
I just reject the notion that Christianity and Judaism are peaceful and great religions
and I am also pointing out that many things that Christians and Jews are saying is false.
I am not saying something is false because someone is saying it.
I am saying something is false AND the someone who is saying it saying those things for a reason
Replace the BECAUSE with an AND
Ciao!
Sunan Abu Dawood Vol3 Bk36 N0 4917:
Then they brought me to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and he had sexual intercourse with me . I was nine years old.
Sunan Nasai Bk of Marriage, No 3256:
A'ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married me when I was six and had sexual intercourse with me when I was nine and I was playing with dolls.
http://www.islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Pedophilia-Islam-Allah-allowed-Prophet-Muhammad-Practised.htm
Damien said...
Khurram, and Anonymous,
This is for both of you. Insult is not an argument. Saying things to the person you are debating like, you're stupid or you're a nitwit, is not convincing at all, and it only serves to make you look like a jerk.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39:00 AM
it was not i who said that.
@Damien
I think that "anonymous" is saying that I am practicing taqiya and it is deception.
I am an athiest and I do not think anyone has any written to question that.
Nor do I think it is irrelevant.
He has put a verse that refers to waiting for a woman to have a period before divorce
if a woman is waiting for monthly menstruation, that does not refer to her age but to phase in her menstruation cycle - regardless of age.
adding "child" in parenthesis does not solve the argument.
I think you tell "anonymous" to not put taqiya in to the argument as I am not Muslim and whether I am being deceptive about my atheism or not has no bearing on the argument.
It is typical of those who lose argument to turn from the argument to the identity of the person who is posting the comment.
It is not me who is "ANONYMOUS" it is him or her.
I am very much an atheist
please visit my blog and post comments there.
irreligulous.blogspot.com
Khurram,
Even if it was not true about Muhammad committing Pedophilia, it is in the Koran, and he is still regarded as the perfect human being by Muslims and the Koran is still regard as the perfect uncorrupted word of Allah by Muslims. Now think about that for a moment please. Also there is plenty of Historic evidence of Islam being spread by the sword, by both Islamic and Non Islamic sources, sometimes the victims of Islamic Jihad.
Now, I'm sorry, if I misunderstood what you meant about Christians and Jews criticizing Muslims.
khurram also called me nitwit
@anonymous
you quoted:
Sunan Abu Dawood Vol3 Bk36 N0 4917:
& Sunan Nasai Bk of Marriage, No 3256:
I say that like the Quran is false, so is what you have posted.
It was written 200 years after Muhammad;s death. It was in oral form before written.
As an atheist I reject that as true.
I can give you OTHER sources that contradict that and state that Aisha was an adult BEFORE MARRIAGE.
But I do no believe them either.
Also, when I WAS a Muslim I was Quranist Muslim (free-minds.org) and rejected Ahadith as false.
NOw as an Atheist, I reject all of Islam as false.
I am not even sure Muhammad even lived in Mecca - just as I doubt Jesus even existed.
Ciao!
Anonymous,
You wrote,
"Damien said...
Khurram, and Anonymous,
This is for both of you. Insult is not an argument. Saying things to the person you are debating like, you're stupid or you're a nitwit, is not convincing at all, and it only serves to make you look like a jerk.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39:00 AM
it was not i who said that."
also, I'll assume you are the same person who wrote this,
"khurram also called me nitwit"
Sorry, but unlike other user names, more than one person can post Anonymous. That's one reason to get a user name. you don't even have to use your real name if you don't want to.
@Damien
The pedophilia is not in the QUran but is mentioned in ahadith that not all Muslims believe in.
«my point is Islam is a religion JUST LIKE JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY.»
you are just showing your ignorance.
khurram calls himself an atheist but he talks like stealth-jihadists.
there is nothing in the islamic texts that can support 9/11
it's called the greater jihad.
@Damien
The Quran does not mention pedophilia. There are ahadith that mention it. There are over 700,000 ahadith. Muslims believe in some 7000 of them (less than 1%).
Not all Muslims agree that ahadith to be valid. And it is often quoted more by anti-Muslim websites
no muslim country's laws permit marriage to a girl who has not reached puberty. in fact, the laws of almost all muslim countries have age limits which are often 18 years.
in 1910, portugal has an age of consent of 12 years. now it is 14. spain is still 12!
some people would call that pedophilia but it is not.
Damien said...
Anonymous,
You wrote,
"Damien said...
Khurram, and Anonymous,
This is for both of you. Insult is not an argument. Saying things to the person you are debating like, you're stupid or you're a nitwit, is not convincing at all, and it only serves to make you look like a jerk.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39:00 AM
it was not i who said that."
also, I'll assume you are the same person who wrote this,
"khurram also called me nitwit"
Sorry, but unlike other user names, more than one person can post Anonymous. That's one reason to get a user name. you don't even have to use your real name if you don't want to.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:59:00 AM
now what? are picking up on the «gypsy» while the stealth-jihadist gets its way?
@anonymous
anonymous said:
"khurram calls himself an atheist but he talks like stealth-jihadists"
I say Islam and Jihad are evil
you are "anonymous"
I only need to call myself atheist and reject god and religion
I do not need to support all that rhetoric against Islam which is not true.
by the way, the thing about stealth jihadists is that they do not talk like stealth jihadists.
if I do, then I am not one.
stoning for adultery - not in quran but in bible
stoning for blasphemy - not in quran but in bible
stoning for apostasy - not in quran but in bible
circumcision - not in quran but in bible
seems like all the above pracites of Islam were taken from the Bible
you are an ignorant.
@anonynous
greater jihad is just a greater struggle for inner peace
the going to war is called QITAL
Al Qaeda attacks mosques and worshippers
...and all scholars of every muslim country had denounced Al qaeda
but my issue with them is that they do not denounce Shariah
I don;t really care about al qaeda
al qaeda attacks imperialism and muslim mosques
I am more concerned with those mullahs who preach shariah
ciao!
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in 1910, portugal has an age of consent of 12 years. now it is 14. spain is still 12!
mohammad consumated the «marriage» when aisha was 8 years old
@anonymous
do you believe in islam?
if not then why do believe that muhammad conssummated his marriage when aisha was 8 or 9?
how can you not believe in something but believe in it?
you are not making sense at all
I am more concerned with those mullahs who preach shariah
CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT HAVE SHARIA.
@anonymous
bible:
Deuteronomy 13:6-11 "If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, `Let us go and serve other gods,' which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples that are round about you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him; but you shall kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and never again do any such wickedness as this among you.
like islam, judaism is just as evil if not more
from the bible
Leviticus 24:10-16 Now an Israelite woman's son, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the people of Israel; and the Israelite woman's son and a man of Israel quarreled in the camp, and the Israelite woman's son blasphemed the Name, and cursed. And they brought him to Moses. His mother's name was Shelo'mith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. And they put him in custody, till the will of the LORD should be declared to them. And the LORD said to Moses, "Bring out of the camp him who cursed; and let all who heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him. And say to the people of Israel, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. He who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.
Leviticus 24:23 So Moses spoke to the people of Israel; and they brought him who had cursed out of the camp, and stoned him with stones. Thus the people of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.
the evils of the bible make you realize that Islam is but an evil branch of an evil religion called judaism
from the bible:
Stoning for being a medium or a wizard
Leviticus 20:27 "A man or a woman who is a medium or a wizard shall be put to death; they shall be stoned with stones, their blood shall be upon them."
Stoning for breaking the Sabbath
Numbers 15:32-36 While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him in custody, because it had not been made plain what should be done to him. And the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." And all the congregation brought him outside the camp, and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses.
@anonymous
christianity has shariah
christians no longer implement it!
the evil is still there...christians are no longer following their own evil religion
christianity is evil
judaism is evil
islam is evil
now do I sound like a jihadist to you?
what about:
muhammad was a deluded epileptic who had fits
now does that prove my allegiance to jihad and islam?
the truth is that you are a christian fundamentalist and a zionist
your racism and hatred stinks
The God of Christianity wants you to murder those who do no believe in him, the god wants you to murder all fornicators, blasphemers and homosexuals.
Such an evil religion! Seems like Islam, Christianity and Judaism all come from one evil...the theistic belief in this hebrew god of hate.
The Bible teaches that God murders. A Lot! Here are a very small percentage of the total Bible passages approving of murder, rape, slavery, war etc in the Bible.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Death for Hitting your father or mother
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
The Christians believe in a god wants you to destoy a whole town if even one person worships another god!
Seems like Al Qaeda need not just quote Islam - but can find good friends in Christiaity and Judaism
Christianity and Judaism are also Al Qaeda compliant
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.
Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Khurram said...
@anonymous
do you believe in islam?
if not then why do believe that muhammad conssummated his marriage when aisha was 8 or 9?
how can you not believe in something but believe in it?
you are not making sense at all
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:18:00 AM
do you believe in christianity? if not then why do you believe what you post about it?
how can you not believe in something but believe in it?
you are not making sense at all
"or hateful Zionist and spewing out poisn."
Q. How many Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?
A. None. They prefer to stay in the dark and then blame it on the Jews.
@anonymous
you support hateful religions and terrorism.
you lie and mislead and commit deceit.
you attack people online and make baseless accusation.
you make fun of people and make insulting jokes that are hateful and bigoted
you are shameless and an embarrassment to your self. you deny the facts in front of you and know neither logic nor reason.
your attempts have only highlighted the futility of the Zionists and Christian extremists who lie, cheat and plunder other people's land
khurram
didn't you forget something?
Mohammad's seal of prophethood:
A protruding fleshy enlargement on his upper back between his shoulders. It was about the size of a dove's egg, it was marked by hair and warts or moles.
ramadan 2010 scorecard
DAY 15
terror attacks in the name of the religion of peace:
94
in the name of all other religions:
0
dead bodies in the name of the religion of peace:
396
in the name of all other religions:
0
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zENuDflPejY/THWy-WU34KI/AAAAAAAAE2Q/-RKM4AUXKO4/s1600/ramadan+scorecard+7.JPG
@anonymous
that makes muslims look bad
they are bad
that is what I am saying
muslims are doing evil things by following their evil religion
christians and jews = no longer following their religion
objective of atheists - to make muslims also realize that religion is false and not follow religion
objective of zionists and christian fundamentalists - to make christians and jews become religious so christians and jews can replace the muslims as blood shedding murderous hordes.
and it is working
as the sccore card in ramadan reads that christians and jews have killed a lot more muslims in bomb attacks than the christian and jew paid agents called al qaeda
that is nothing compared to odd sheep shag by some sheikh in occupied shalomistan
ciao!
"The Christians believe in a god wants you to destoy a whole town if even one person worships another god!"
Prove that assertion.
I believe that a ridiculous assertion and I am not Christian.
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A religion CEASES to be a religion when it claims it jurisdictional 'religious law' supersedes the laws approved by the people.
I think that's pretty clear. If the religion maintains it's goal is a system which violates the sovereignty of the people (BY ANY MEANS) IT CANNOT BE A RELIGION since it's fulfillment is political.
Fill in the blanks. That is true for ANY religion. It is BLIND to any specific religion.
@Epaminondas
my point exactly
in the days of old when christians took a literal and fanatic and extremist interpretation of their religion, they acted just as some muslims are acting now
mr anonymous denies this truth
atheists like myself are always pointing out that religion is wrong and we always go against religion.
but mr anonymous ignores this
we cannot defeat religious extremism by supporting racism, bigotry and dogma
religion is defeated by science and rational thinking.
but if people are being irrational, unscientific and factually incorrect when accusing Islam then are they not creating a monster to kill a monster?
" religion is wrong "
INTOLERANCE, Khurram.
If anything, my entire research and academic experience has pointed out to me, that THIS IS ALL NOT THE RESULT OF CHANCE .. if for no other reason than that every critical biological/biochemical/genetic molecular action of consequence is a result of, and because of the weakest force in nature applied in the most complex and unbelievable elegant fashion.
The hydrogen bond.
Now could it be chance?
Sure.
But so could the explanation be OTHER.
Deity? Alien?
Either way... tolerance is required.
I support NO DOGMA.
Organized religion is the invention of man (even though I support one). It is needed by men.
Not God.
Islam cannot be true since if for no other reason, it posits the existence of a perfect being who is simultaneously a racist. It's answer is that since that being is perfect it cannot be racism, but instead the difference of a single race and religion. Anyone who cannot see thru to the end of that sequence has some inner compulsion which will never yield to logic and reason. Many have simply never had to think about that sequence.
@Epaminondas
somewhat true
and yet when you look at a non-theistic interpretation of the religon of buddhism you see that even the buddha says:
"you will not be punished for your anger. You will be punished by your anger"
putting humanity at the center of rocus instead of a deity makes all the difference
I read an expose by Sam Harris which posits that even pleasure is moral. Human happiness, pleasure and charity are all good things.
Theistic religion puts the happines of a deity at the center of focus and make human suffering a virtue
«my point exactly
in the days of old when christians took a literal and fanatic and extremist interpretation of their religion, they acted just as some muslims are acting now
mr anonymous denies this truth»
islam and christianity are not the same.
@anonymous
oh anonymous - got you there!
oh it is islam...almost always
it is that what I am saying
but it WAS christianity and judasm
oh it IS islam....all the time
yes Islam is evil
christianity and judaism are evil as beens which were killed and slaughtered by secularism...yes the bible torn to shreds by secular law.
thus making christianity and judaism a toothless pink fairy.
the same can be done to islam by people like me
but people like you want to put teeth back on christianity and judaism by radicalizing western society against islam
in the end what you hope to achieve is argmageddon.
my attempts are to stop this hateful crusade of yours by revealing ISLAM TO BE EVIL AND JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANIT TO BE EVIL
and I am winning
but people like you want to put teeth back on christianity and judaism by radicalizing western society against islam
in the end what you hope to achieve is argmageddon.
my attempts are to stop this hateful crusade of yours by revealing ISLAM TO BE EVIL AND JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANIT TO BE EVIL
and I am winning
lol
Mohammed was an absolutely illiterate man, and the Koran, in which his sayings are collected, is ninety-nine percent rubbish. You can just open the book anywhere and read it, and you will be convinced of what I am saying. I am not saying on a certain page — anywhere. You just open the book accidentally, read the page and you will be convinced of what I am saying.
Whatsoever one percent truth there is here and there in the Koran is not Mohammed's. It is just ordinary, ancient wisdom that uneducated people collect easily — more easily than the educated people, because educated people have far better sources of information — books, libraries, universities, scholars. The uneducated, simply by hearing the old people, collect a few words of wisdom here and there. And those words are significant, because for thousands of years they have been tested and found somehow true. So it is the wisdom of the ages that is scattered here and there; otherwise, it is the most ordinary book possible in the world.
Muslims have been asking me, "Why don't you speak on the Koran? You have spoken on The Bible, on the Gita, this and that." I could not say to them that it is all rubbish; I simply went on postponing. Even just before I went into silence, a Muslim scholar sent the latest English version of the Koran, praying me to speak on it. But now I have to say that it is all rubbish, that is why I have not spoken on it — because why unnecessarily waste time? -- Osho
@anonymous
true what you said about the koran. but i really doubt if muhammad was illiterate. the word "ummi" means "gentile" and not illiterate - but of course muslims belive him to be illiteate as do you!
the koran is a terrible book but is irrelevant to islam and muslims
the koran is but a magic book of spells...muslims (most muslims cannot understand arabic) just recite it and thing the jinns and demons will go away
quite silly actually
but the teeth of islam is in the ahadith - a copy from the bible actually!
take care bigot.
you are a bigot and so hateful
do the zionists pay you in shekels?
«but the teeth of islam is in the ahadith»
koran:
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." (Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great." (Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Quran, 4:34)
«a copy from the bible actually!»
islam = moloch (molech, molekh, molek, or moloc)
@anonymous
sorry but that is not in the quran
men are not in charge of women....they have been held responsible for their upkeep...it actually makes the women the bosses
and it goes on to say that you cannot just divorce them. you have to first tell them you are not happy..then if it is still very bad...you can deny her your presence in best
..then as a last resort you can SEPARATE from her and the divroce is complete.
the term "adribu" has been translated as SEPARATE every where else in the Quran and I see no reason why it should not be SEPARATE.
you are quoting from an english text. the Quran is in Arabic
the koran is vile and immoral
but it does not advocate that men should beat women.
for that you need the BIBLE
the shitty BIBLE
repeat after me:
SHITTY BIBLE
SHITTY BIBLE
SHITTY BIBLE
and you are a hateful bigot
ciao!
@anonymous asked me:" do the islamists pay you in mohammad's brothel?"
the punishment for my apostasy is death
so instead I visit the brother named after the Sikh Heera Singh in Lahore Pakistan
wanna come visit?
or are you into little jewish boys?
or perhaps a welsh sheep might interest you?
islam is the ramblings of the schizofrenic mohammad
@anonymous
anonymous said : " islam is the ramblings of the schizofrenic mohammad"
no
that;s the koran
islam is just the bible plain and simple
ciao!
or are you into little jewish boys?
or perhaps a welsh sheep might interest you?
you must be thinking of your fake prophet, the pig pedophile, pederast, necrophile, zoophile, mass murderer mohammad.
: "A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." - ayatollah khomeini
"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned." - ayatollah khomeini
"It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven." - ayatollah khomeini
"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister." - ayatollah khomeini
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