Saturday, August 14, 2010

RED ALERT: Obama Defends Ground Zero Mosque


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You know who else my enemy is? My enemy is someone who think it’s a good idea to advertise the virtues of Islam next door to Islam’s Greatest Hit.  - Ace of Spades


From Director Blue:

President Barack Obama defended the plan to build a mosque near the site of the 2001 terror attacks in New York, telling Muslim guests at a Ramadan dinner at the White House that the nation's commitment to freedom of religion "must be unshakable.''

Mr. Obama's remarks came after weeks of the White House sidestepping the debate that has roiled New York and the nation since developers announced plans to build a $100 million, 13-story mosque and Islamic cultural center just two blocks from the World Trade Center site.

[He said] "But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan... This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable..."

...A Marist College poll found that 53% of New York City voters oppose constructing the mosque near the former site of the World Trade Center. Just 34% favored the plan.

Debra Burlingame, whose brother Charles Burlingame was the pilot of the plane the terrorists hijacked and flew into the Pentagon, said she was furious over the president's remarks.

"I'm so angry. I believe this president has abandoned the American people,'' she said. "This isn't a fight about religious freedom for Muslims. No one has argued they don't have the property rights. This is about a project led by someone who says he's trying to build bridges and bring the community together and he's chosen probably the worst place in America and the worst way to do it.''

The president's statements are utterly, completely false.

The imam in question has endorsed the implementation of Sharia law in the United States. By his own admission then, the brand of Islam he wishes to practice is not a religion -- it is a political system.

Sharia law is a legal system that completely rejects the Constitution and the American form of government. Thus, there is absolutely no "separation of church and state" issue.

3,000 souls were murdered by Islamists in the name of their political religion on 11 September 2001. Tens of thousands of innocents have perished since then -- killed in beheadings, stonings, executions, hangings, beatings, floggings, suicide bombings and more.

All were murdered in the name of a political system that adopts the guise of a religion.

But as with health care and the economy, President Obama doesn't care what you or I think. Facts, logic, reason and history play no part in his "decision-making". Only ideology matters with this particular breed of hard-left Democrats.


Pamela's comment on Obama and the Ground Zero Mosque is interesting:

I believe he planned it all along. he waited until Ramadan.

He has now turned our Ground Zero protest on 911 into a mega-event

The very idea of a 15-story mega-mosque on hallowed ground in indecent, offensive and outrageous. If Imam Rauf and his wife Daisy really wanted to "reach out" and "heal," they would give the $120 million to the first responders suffering from exposure to the toxic environment at Ground Zero after Muslim terrorists brought down the World Trade Center and slaughtered 3,000 Americans.

Obama knows this is not about religious liberty. No one has suggested abridging the first amendment to stop the mosque. This is not a religious issue. This is a national security issue.

Once again, Obama puts himself directly at odds with the majority of the American people, as is his way and the hallmark of his presidency. This is all explained in detail, in my book.
Think about what she said here. Obama has turned this into a mega-event. As if the American people were not already waking up from their apathetic slumber. As if the American people were not already completely pissed off.

Now, the President has sided with our enemies in the most explicit way yet.

Obama has made a terrible mistake, and we all can thank him for it. He thinks he can pull this off, but he threw his charisma under the bus a long time ago.

As Jim Hoft commented, "Since most of America is against building a mosque at Ground Zero, it only figures then that our radical far left president would join the 20% who believe it’s a good idea."

This man needs to be removed from office.

UPDATE: Dag on Obama, in light of this story:
America is deep to the bones democratic and individualistic, and no one, probably not even me, not I, would accept a maniac murderer as scourge of the nation even if he were me. 

Most Americans are not crazy, though many are sick in the morals because they're stupid and gullible and lazy and afraid to offend their friends in public. But deep down, most Americans are basically normal and decent people who will not tolerate insanity in government. 

Obama will not last. His minions will riot, maybe will kill a few thousand people when he's run out of office, and that will be it.
From Brandy (in the comments section of Atlas Shrugs:
Mr. President, if this is all about tolerance, let me tell you a few things about tolerance:
The American people were tolerant when the first bomb exploded at the WTC.
The American people were tolerant when airplanes filled with innocent people crashed into the WTC on 9/11.
The American people were tolerant when an airplane filled with innocent people crashed into the Pentagon.
The American people were tolerant when an airplane filled with innocent people crashed into a field in Pennsylvania.
The American people were tolerant when our president asked us not to blame all Muslims for 9/11.
The American people were tolerant when four Americans were drug through the street and hung on a bridge.

The American people were tolerant when 13 of their fellow Americans and heroes were killed by someone who was supposed to be helping them.
The American people have shown they are tolerant and good. We ARE better than them.
But Mr. President, we've had enough. A 15 story Mosque built where the ashes of the dead still linger is asking too much. That...we won't tolerate.

from Yid with Lid:

Islamists "Stealing" Ground Zero Are Following Muslim Tradition

To many of us that lived through the tragedy of 9/11 the site of the World Trade Center "Ground Zero" is sacred territory. It should forever serve as a memorial to those whose lives were destroyed in the war against Islamic terrorists. My friend Pamela Geller, has thrown her website Atlas Shrugs, and much of her weight into the fight to prevent a mosque being built on the ground zero site, not because she believes that mosques should not be allowed to be built, but because she feels empathy to the families and victims who see a Mosque on the site of a terrorist attack made in the name of Allah is a deliberate attack on their memory. They feel that the real purpose of the Mosque is to steal the heritage of the site, that Muslim tradition is to place mosques (or even to destroy) the religious, or sacred sites of others to usurp the tradition of others. That is certainly the case in Israel.

A major strategy of the Palestinians in their goal of ultimately taking over all of Israel is to deny Jewish and Christian ties to the land. That's why they hold on to the Temple Mount and destroy artifacts. It is why they burned down Joseph's Tomb and it is why they are now targeting Rachel's Tomb calling it the Bilal Bin Rabah Mosque, and why they have built the al-Hanaqa Mosque adjacent to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher(and the latrine for the mosque on the roof of the church)

According to a May 11, 1997, report in Ha'aretz, "A Waqf internal report, written two weeks ago by the Waqf's Jerusalem engineer, 'Isam 'Awad, confirms many of the Christians' claims in the conflict that has emerged adjacent to the Holy Sepulcher Church regarding construction in the Church. The Church's claim [is] that the Waqf has harmed the historical and architectural substance of the Holy Sepulcher, as a result of a construction addition to the courtyard of the 'Hanaqa,' which leans on the wall of the Holy Sepulcher and even darkens it by its height." 

October 2009. Bethlehem – Ma’an Palestinian News-Rachel’s Tomb lies behind Israel’s eight-meter concrete separation wall in a fortified enclave close to the center of Bethlehem. The wall criss-crosses Bethlehem, blocking the main road to Jerusalem, encircling a refugee camp and looming over the upscale Intercontinental hotel.

Right-wing religious groups petitioned Israel’s highest court in 2004 to re-route the wall to include the tomb on the western side. To this day the site, formerly knosquewn as the location of the Bilal Bin Rabah Mosque, is accessible only from the Israeli side.
It didn't take long for the writing to appear on the wall for Mother Rachel. In 2000, after hundreds of years of recognizing the site as Rachel's Tomb, Muslims began calling it the "Bilal ibn Rabah mosque." Members of the Wakf used the name first in 1996, but it has since entered the national Palestinian discourse. Bilal ibn Rabah was an Ethiopian known in Islamic history as a slave who served in the house of the prophet Muhammad as the first muezzin (the individual who calls the faithful to prayer five times a day).When Muhammad died, ibn Rabah went to fight the Muslim wars in Syria, was killed in 642 CE, and buried in either Aleppo or Damascus. The Palestinian Authority claimed that according to Islamic tradition, it was Muslim conquerors who named the mosque erected at Rachel's Tomb after Bilal ibn Rabah, belying the fact that a vast amount of literature written by pilgrims - Jewish, Christian and Muslim - documents the site as Rachel's burial place.

Jews have visited the site for generations, coming to pray, request and plead. The place became a kind of miniature Wailing Wall where suppliant Jews came to pour out their hearts and recount their misfortunes at the bosom of the beloved mother, where they could find consolation and cure.

According to Jewish tradition, Rachel's tears have special powers. Beginning with the first exile of the Jewish people from the Holy Land, tradition says Rachel's weeping convinced God to make the exile a short one:
So says the Lord: A voice is heard on high, lamentation, bitter weeping, Rachel weeping for her children, she refuses to be comforted for her children for they are not. So says the Lord: Refrain your voice from weeping and your eyes from tears, for there is reward for your work, says the Lord, and they shall come back from the land of the enemy. And there is hope for your future, says the Lord, and the children shall return to their own border.
Since its establishment, the State of Israel every single agreement transferring responsibility for Jewish holy places to neighboring Arab or Palestinian rule has been broken.
  • On April 3, 1949, Israel signed an armistice with Jordan. According to Paragraph 8, Article 2 of the agreement, Jordan was to allow Israel "free access to the Holy Places and cultural institutions and use of the cemetery on the Mount of Olives." In practice, not only could Jews not visit the graves of their loved ones on the Mount of Olives, but the site was desecrated. Headstones of Jewish graves were shattered and some were used as paving stones or in construction. Jordan did not allow Jews free access to their holy places, and for 19 years, until 1967, Jews could not go to the Western Wall, Rachel's Tomb, the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron, Joseph's Tomb in Shechem (Nablus), or other sites sacred to Jews which remained in Jordanian hands.
  • In May 1994, Israel signed the Gaza-Jericho Agreement in Cairo. According to Article 15 of Annex II, "the Palestinian Authority shall ensure free access to all holy sites in the Gaza Strip and the Jericho Area," mentioning the Naaran synagogue, the Jewish cemetery in Tel Sammarat, the "Shalom al Israel" synagogue in Jericho, and the synagogue in Gaza City.
  • On September 28, 1995, the Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement was signed on the White House lawn, making the Palestinians responsible for civilian and security matters in additional areas of the West Bank. In accordance with the agreement, Israel withdrew from six Palestinian cities and part of Hebron; the IDF and the civil administration were withdrawn. In addition, Israel withdrew from 450 villages, towns, refugee camps, and other areas throughout the West Bank.The holy sites in those regions, or adjacent regions (access to which passed through or close to Palestinian areas), were designated as "sites of religious significance" or "archaeological sites." The agreement also dealt with the status of 23 places holy to Jews, including the tombs of biblical figures, the ruins of ancient synagogues, and ancient cemeteries. The Palestinians promised to assure freedom of access to those places.
IN EVERY SINGLE CASE the Palestinians either made access extremely difficult for Jews to get to the holy sites or or prevented acesss entirely.
In October 2000, Joseph's Tomb in Nablus was attacked, set ablaze and desecrated. Druze Border Police Corporal Yusef Madhat bled to death on October 4 because Palestinians refused to allow his evacuation. It also became extremely complicated for Jews to reach other, less well-known places, such as the tomb of Avner ben Ner near Hebron, or similar sites, to say nothing of the synagogue in Gaza. Only at the "Shalom al Israel" synagogue in Jericho did the Palestinians generally adhere to the agreement, for a time, until it too was attacked with the outbreak of the second intifada in the fall of 2000. Holy books and relics were burned, and the synagogue's ancient mosaic was damaged. Unfortunately, there has been a discernible deterioration in Palestinian treatment of Jewish holy sites in 2007, including the Tomb of Joshua bin Nun at Kefel Hares.
  • On December 1, 1995, after Rabin's assassination, Bethlehem, with the exception of the enclave of the tomb, passed under the full control of the Palestinian Authority. Rachel's Tomb is now an outpost marking Jerusalem's southern border. It has been massively fortified and Jews can only reach it in bulletproof vehicles under military supervision
The Palestinians are targeting the Jewish sites in the holy land by saying that they were really Muslim sites.  Christians shouldn't feel left out, because they are staking their claims to Christian Heritage sites also. They have even positioned terrorists next to Churches in the hopes that Israel will fire upon and damage holy sites.
Additionally, the Tanzim have chosen positions near churches in Beit Jallah (most notably the Church of St. Nicholas), hoping that Israel's return fire will hit a church. Then the Christian West would read in newspapers that Israel is targeting churches. As it is, even without the Israeli bullets hitting a church, the news cameras almost always show St. Nicholas, delivering a subliminal message that Jews are firing at Christians.
In the holy land, Muslims have been taking over, or trying to destroy Christian and Jewish Holy sites, it does seem very likely that the Ground Zero Mosque is part of that same pattern.


Keep repeating HE ISN'T REALLY A MUSLIM.....

 

OBAMA SIDES WITH MUSLIMS - AND AGAINST MOST AMERICANS - ON GROUND ZERO MOSQUE

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE -

WHICH IS JUST ABOUT AS POPULAR AS OBAMACARE...
AND AMNESTY...
AND MORE STIMULUS BILLS...
AND MORE BAILOUTS.

MEANING THAT ALMOST 70% OPPOSE IT (PDF).

AND THEY WONDER WHY THE DEMOCRAT PARTY POLLS POORLY!?

SHEESH.

THE USA USED TO BE A DEMOCRACY.

IT CAN BE AGAIN - THIS NOVEMBER: VOTE GOP!

30 comments:

Damien said...

Pastorius,

I just heard about this over on CNN. Unfortunately the announcer pretty much agreed with Obama, and said that all the protests of the Ground Zero Mosque by the Tea Party is absurd.

Pastorius said...

Obama, as President, should stay out of this issue.

No one is trying to stop the Mosque by law.

Instead, we are voicing our protests via blogging, street protests, etc.

This is covered by our First Amendment rights.

Obama should shut his fucking mouth.

Damien said...

Pastorius,

With all the Americans opposed to the Ground Zero Mosque, it just might severely hurt his chances for reelection. His open support for it, could be one of the things that eventually leads to his defeat in 2012. In a way, it might be a good thing that he's willing to honestly say how he feels on such a thing that most Americans don't seem to like at all.

Rebellious Kafir said...

Traitor.

Pastorius said...

I don't care what country Obama was born in, he is not an American.

Damien said...

Pastorius,

Here's something very odd from MEMRI.

It appears as if some Jihadists actually think that the Ground Zero Mosque is some kind of Zionist plot. Either that or this is rather pathetic taqiyya. Do they not understand that most Westerns aren't a bunch of anti semetic nut jobs, like them?

Al-Azhar Sheikh: The West Isn't Really Working For Peace in the Middle East, Interfaith Dialogue Is Futile; Al-Azhar Clerics Oppose Ground Zero Mosque; Al-Aqsa Research Academy Member Dr. Abd Al-Mu'ti Bayumi: Mosque Is a 'Zionist Plot' That Could Link Islam to 9/11

Pastorius said...

Thanks, Damien.

I saw that earlier today. I thought it was too lunatic to post. There are a lot of crazy Muslims out there, and sometimes they are too crazy to even bother with.

Pastorius said...

Thanks, Damien.

I saw that earlier today. I thought it was too lunatic to post. There are a lot of crazy Muslims out there, and sometimes they are too crazy to even bother with.

Damien said...

Pastorius,

You're welcome.

Dag said...

My point, in the quotation above, is that if and when Obama leaves office, no matter under what circumstances, lost election or end of term or forcible removal, some people will riot and kill. They will not accept that Obama cannot be president for life.

Most of us are sensible, and we will not follow them in this violent madness. I'd love to, believe me, but I'm not crazy, just seriously fuming at this evil betrayal of our nation. I am so pissed off I could ... I don't know what.

Damien said...

Dag,

For all I know you maybe at least partially right. At least some people fanatically love Obama. There could be some people committing violent acts when he leaves office out of anger and frustration. But if that happens, we'll just have to deal with it, and the authorities will just have to arrest a few more people. That said, I sincerely doubt that there will be any massive riots.

There are also some people out there who seem to think that the only people who oppose Obama do so out of racism, but I don't think they are anywhere near the majority of his supporters. Like wise, I don't think that most of Obama's supporters are violence prone crazies. I know at least a couple people who support Obama, and they are not like that at all, and they probably come closer to what most of his supporters are like. So try not to loose too much sleep over it.

revereridesagain said...

Well, it's not like he didn't warn us. He did say he would stand with them, and there he is. He supports the enemies of this nation. IMI nailed it: TRAITOR.

Damien, I don't think that announcer you heard on CNN is going to be quite so smug after he sees the 10 or 20,000 protestors who are going to show up in front of that mosque on 9/11. They are forming caravans to drive cross-country.

Mosque-is-a-Zionist-plot-that-could-link-Islam-to-9/11 sounds like the jihadists and troofers got together and had a love child. When jihadists are clueless about 9/11 you have to wonder about what quality people they are hiring these days.

Always On Watch said...

Pamela is spot on with this statement:

I believe he planned it all along. he waited until Ramadan.

The symbolism of the timing of Obama's endorsement of the Ground Zero Mosque isn't lost on the ummah.

Always On Watch said...

RRA,
Well, it's not like he didn't warn us. He did say he would stand with them, and there he is.

Yep.

Meanwhile, BHO's supporters, including my liberal neighbor who manages to "get it" about Islam, is giving BHO a pass on this.

Ugh.

Pastorius said...

What can a Liberal possibly "get" about Islam, unless it's fascistic methods for gaining and keeping power.

If that's what your Liberal friend gets, then I guess he does "get it".

Mark said...

I observe from afar, from across the Pond, how this Muslim president is unmaking America. My heart weeps. How Americans could have been gulled by this phoney upstart, I'll never know. I guess it is testimony to the good nature of Americans – their desire to think only the best of others.

Alas, they have been deceived. Their president has had a hidden agenda; but the truth is coming out with each passing day.

It is unimaginable to me that Americans will be fooled a second time. So, as you say, B. Hussein Obama has sealed his fate.

The sooner that Americans rid themselves of this loser, the better it will be for all concerned, Europeans too. Western values need to be upheld. Islam doesn't need someone like this foolish president to fight its corner for it; they - and history - have shown pretty clearly that Muslims are quite capable of fighting their own. But the West does need someone to bat for it. It is, and has been since 9/11, under attack. This president is helping the process of the Islamization of your wonderful country. Surely this should be an impeachable offence.

Epaminondas said...

These salafi inciters understand every facet of this.

It will not only be a message to their kind of believers, it will also incite others to 'prove' american intolerance via unrelenting demonstrations at this site.

The BEST we can hope for is to show the people how desperately far from from representing them the govt has gone.

It is true we cannot vote away a right such as freedom of religion, but we can vote away those whose urging, cajoling, jawboning and staunch public opposition to the idea of this LOCATION might have averted what is coming.

REMEMBER IN NOVMEBER

Always On Watch said...

Mr. AOW, who served in the US Army for two years, is totally disheartened by the news in this posting.

Normally, Mr. AOW isn't much interested in politics.

But he sees what's happening to America -- on some many fronts now.

Anonymous said...

AoW, "The symbolism of the timing of Obama's endorsement of the Ground Zero Mosque isn't lost on the ummah" . . .neither should timing of Gates announced plans for reduction of Marines. To the shores of Tripoli is a wound Obama will attempt to repair.

Damien said...

Anonymous,

I don't think Obama is doing this to bring down the United States. It could also be that he genuinely thinks that all opposition to the Mosque is simply bigotry, like a lot of leftists believe, unfortunately.

Now his actions clearly are not helping America or the war agianst Islamic terrorism, however, he's also shooting himself in the foot, weather he realizes it or not.

Unknown said...

Damian.
With all due respect i don't doubt for a second that he does everything on purpose he's a Muslim have you seen him in a church in the last 2 years or his wife or kids?They vist a Catholic country like Spain full of Churches what do they visit?A MOSQUE!That says it all!

Sunflower Pipes said...

I fought with American Muslims in the Army, I volunteered with American Muslims on 911 at ground zero, I talked and shared meals with American Muslims here in New York there are 1.5 Billion Muslims all over the world, I assure you they are not all bad. In fact most of them are good people, they have families, they work hard they have good values, they pay taxes. I will also assure you that most Muslims aren't trying to indoctrinate the world. I have never had a Muslim try and convert me, I cannot say the same for Christians.
Sunflowerpipes.com

Anonymous said...

Sunflower, if most Moslems are, as you say, moderate, tolerant, all-around nice people, then, surely, they'll support the majority of Americans in demanding that this mosque not be built at this site.

If they are good, they'll understand why Americans might see it as a sign of Islamic supremacy, seeing as how, historically, Islam has built mosques on sites they conquered (The Hagia Sophia, for instance), and they will not want to force this on their non-Moslem neighbors.

If they really aren't out to indoctrinate the world (and don't support their co-religionists, who are), then they will not support this mosque. If they don't speak up---well, I think we can be pardoned for questioning their allegiance to America, or just how tolerant, kindly, etc., etc., etc. they really are.

/IguanaDonna

Always On Watch said...

Obama is getting some pressure from the Dems and backpedaling.

Damien said...

Always On Watch,

I am not surprised really. He's a politician and he wants to get reelected.

Damien said...

Anonymous,

You wrote,

"Oklahoma bombing was not perpetrated by mcviegh as a religious act, and he was not a christian, he was also tied to iraqi muslim agents of saddams regime."

I'm aware that Timothy Mcviegh was not a Muslim, however, and you provide a reliable source that shows some compelling evidence that he was tied to Iraqi Muslim Agents of Saddam's regime? I've heard that claim, before, but I have not seen anything that backs it up. Don't just make a controversial claim, that you cannot substantiate.

Damien said...

Also, how do you know he was not christian?

Damien said...

Anonymous,

You wrote,

"history channel has been showing a lot of proislamic bullshit.

BOYCOTT HISTORY CHANNEL"


like what? could please you be more specific?

Pastorius said...

There have been Christian terrorists. But, I don't think Timothy McVeigh would count as one, unless you consider the racist "Christian Identity" movement to be Christian.

Here is some info:

Here's what he said:



Time: Are you religious?



McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.



Time: Do you believe in God?



McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.



All this text discloses is that McVeigh distanced himself from Catholicism, not Christianity. It also reveals that he did not want to discuss his faith further because he knew most people would find it repulsive. What was repulsive about his faith? Was he an atheist? No. Was he a secular humanist? No. What do we know about his beliefs at the time he was bombing the federal building in Oklahoma City?



There is no doubt that Timothy McVeigh was deeply influenced by the Christian Identity movement. Christian Identity is a profoundly racist and theocratic form of faith that developed in the late 1970s and spread like wildfire through rural communities throughout the U.S. in the 1980s.



The chief guidebook for Christian Identity eschatology is "The Turner Diaries" written by William Pierce under the pseudonym Andrew MacDonald. The book is a fictional account of the "day of judgment" for which Identity adherents are preparing. Here's a summary of the book by Joel Dyer, author of "Harvest of Rage: Why Oklahoma City is Only the Beginning" (1997) – by far the best explanation in print for what led to the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City:



In his book "The Turner Diaries," Pierce describes a race war that ends with the government being overthrown. Pierce's book is more than fiction. The most radical elements of the movement view it as a vision or blueprint for action. In the book, the Aryan forces used armored car robberies to finance their revolution. In real life, the radical white supremacist group called "the Order" used Pierce's book as a guide to their armored car robberies in the Northwest. In the book, the revolutionaries blow up a federal building as part of their antigovernment war. In real life, the bombing of Oklahoma City's Alfred P. Murrah Building was almost a carbon copy of the incident in Pierce's book. As I mentioned earlier, Timothy McVeigh had photocopies of a portion of "The Turner Diaries" with him when he was arrested. McVeigh also sold copies of the book at gun shows around the country.

Pastorius said...

The Ugandan government, or at least part of it, is the almost the equivalent of a Christian Taliban:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html