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Sunday, March 13, 2016

There is a REASON they are still the #1 hate crime victim

Massachusetts Catholic High School Basketball Fans Chant ‘You Killed Jesus’ to Jewish Opponents

The chanting
started with a rude taunt: Newton North High School students cheering for their basketball team Friday night shouted, “Where are your girls?” to the fans of Catholic Memorial School, an all-boys school.
But the response from the Catholic Memorial fans to their opponents, many of whom are Jewish, left the Newton North crowd horrified and upset: “You killed Jesus!” shouted about 50 to 75 Catholic Memorial students. “You killed Jesus!”
The Newton North students fell silent, their faces registering surprise and anger.
“I found it chilling,” said Newton Superintendent David Fleishman, who arrived at the game, which was held at Newton South High School, about 20 minutes later. Fleishman said he was immediately approached by a visibly upset parent who told him she was shaken. “In my mind, this is incredibly upsetting and troubling, and they have a lot of work to do at Catholic Memorial,” Fleishman said.
Fleishman contacted the Anti-Defamation League about the incident, and said Newton students would discuss it at school on Monday. Newton officials will also discuss the Newton fans’ use of a joking reference to male anatomy, which Fleishman acknowledged could also be offensive.
From the Boston Globe
How’s your and Mike Bickle’s Jew Hunting going today, Sen Cruz?
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Blogger Pastorius said...

Amazing. The Papacy (at the instigation of one CARDINAL RATZINGER) tried to correct that error way back in the 60's, and yet it still goes on.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:22:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Yes, Cardinal Ratzinger, the deposed Pope Benedict.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:23:00 pm  
Blogger Pete Rowe said...

It is very clear if you read the Gospels that it was the Romans who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion. That is the legal end of things. The religious perspective in the Gospel are the words of Jesus that no man takes His life, He laid it down on his own authority and by His own power tok it up again. This is sickening that anti Semitism is raising its head in America.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:50:00 pm  
Blogger Яша said...

Peter Rowe, does a gun fire itself? Romans were the gun. In a world were the "pope" says Jews don't need to convert to Christianity because they're already saved due to their "holy genes" why of course you bleeding heart liberal heathens are gonna say Jews killing Jesus isn't true. https://gloria.tv/article/bqEo9NYpjCR Letter to "pope" Francis from a converted Jew. Those "antisemites" are just silly teenagers upset at the offensive chants of the opposing team, but you love to overblow Christian antisemitism just like good liberal tools.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:07:00 pm  
Blogger Яша said...

FYI http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/629434/Douglas-Murray-Christians-persecuted Christians are the most persecuted in the world, because logics, they are more thought not nearly as influential as Jews.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:10:00 pm  
Anonymous Nicoenarg said...

WTF? Even if some Jews banded together and personally killed Jesus, that doesn't mean ALL JEWS ARE RESPONSIBLE for it. Also get your head out of your hind parts and realize that Jesus himself was a Jew. And ALL early Christians were Jews.

From a totally secular point of view, sounds to me that its an internal Jewish matter so people need to STFU. But the spiritual side of it as Pete Rowe quoted is totally on point. Anyone claiming to be Christian should actually learn to go through the Gospels and understand what Jesus himself said before blaming Jews for his death as if without the Jews Jesus wouldn't have been killed (HINT: He said he came to die).

Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:13:00 pm  
Anonymous cjk said...

It is historically correct to say the Jews killed Jesus. The Romans did the actual killing, but the Jews were responsible and they even took full responsibility at the time.
To those who understand Christianity and what it's Scripture says, using this fact as some kind of insult or justification for hate is nuts. Such behavior shows a basic misunderstanding of the entire Christian Scripture and it could be argued negates one's own claim to being a Christian.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:24:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

The entire proposition is IMHO - RIDICULOUS
How can you kill God? Or the Son of God, unless his death is the intent of God in which case the responsibility goes to the all powerful..

Never mind that the bible as we know it is the word of man, biased, weak, man xlated multiple times.. from aramaic/hebrew>greek>latin>??

As for historically accurate, I ask in all seriousness, aside from the New Testament is there any other documentary evidence of this execution? Pilate, the Roman Army?

We accept the bible, that is faith. But such accusations, being faith become farcical.

It's just another way to justify the sick inner compulsions of morons running around this planet who have to be able to say this crap.

As for me, I accept no responsibility. 😇

Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:36:00 pm  
Blogger Pete Rowe said...

A gun does not fire itself because it has no free will. Pontius Pilate was the governor and acted of his own free will when he gave the crucifixion order. RAW has a lot of unresolved anger.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:46:00 pm  
Anonymous cjk said...

If one takes the Bible as true, everything I said is true, PERIOD!!!!!

Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:52:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

That's the essence of faith, cjk

Sunday, March 13, 2016 9:00:00 pm  
Blogger Pete Rowe said...

Tacitus alludes to the crucifixion; and Josephus relates the crucifixion.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 9:03:00 pm  
Anonymous cjk said...

That's part of it and there is the same, actually more evidence than there is for even the existence of Moses.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 9:13:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I think it would be more accurate to say that some Jews advocated for Jesus to be executed in the place of Barabbas.

The Jews in general did not kill Jesus. He was Jewish and all his followers were at that point in history.

Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:47:00 pm  
Anonymous cjk said...

Go read what it says, it says the people egged on by the leaders.
Why is the plain truth so hard to face?
I am the last guy who would ever advocate antisemitism and am also a great backer of the State of Israel, but truth is truth.
If you take the time to read my comment you will see that I say in effect it is un-Christian to be anti-Jewish.
TRUTH is what I said is true, the Jews did indeed reject and murder their own messiah just as they murdered all the prophets and it is completely against Christian doctrine to deny it.

Monday, March 14, 2016 12:38:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

I get it, cjk. I'm not calling you an anti-Semite.

However, just because a group of Jews accepts responsibility and says, "let this me on us and our children," does not mean it is on all Jews.

Is it on the disciples and their children?

Monday, March 14, 2016 1:59:00 am  
Anonymous cjk said...

I'm not saying it's on any Jew! I'm merely stating the FACT that it was the Jew's who at that time and place were responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus.
Why do people read things into what's not stated?
Saying a falsehood that 'the Jews didn't kill Christ' has to be rebutted, PERIOD!

Monday, March 14, 2016 2:39:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Ok, I get your point.

Some Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus, hounding Pilate so that he did what they asked of him.

Monday, March 14, 2016 2:42:00 am  
Blogger Nicoenarg said...

How can you kill God? Or the Son of God, unless his death is the intent of God in which case the responsibility goes to the all powerful..

I don't know. Real quick and crude example: Mob boss wants someone dead, sends a guy to pull the trigger. The boss is responsible for making it happen and giving the order but the guy who pulled the trigger is still the murderer. You can't change that fact.

As for your beliefs regarding the Bible, you're free to believe whatever you want. I for one don't have a lot of interest in getting into a religious debate.

Suffice it to say that I am in disagreement with any Christians who blame the Jews today for the death of Christ. Christians who blame anyone for His death do not understand the Gospels and do not know the message contained in them.

But CJK is correct in that it was the Jews who got Pilate to kill Jesus. It is also correct to say that there were also Jews who didn't want him killed. Jews also brought His body down off the cross and gave him a proper burial. IT was a Jew who gave his tomb for Jesus to be buried. His disciples were also Jews.

This whole argument about how Jews of today are to blame for any of this is one sided and just borne out of pure ignorance.

Monday, March 14, 2016 3:08:00 am  
Blogger Nicoenarg said...

Oh and let's not forget that Jesus Himself was a Jew.

Monday, March 14, 2016 3:10:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Nico says: Christians who blame anyone for His death do not understand the Gospels and do not know the message contained in them.

I ADD - I've always thought the message was that, if I were there, I may have participated in his murder too.

IN a sense, all mankind has. IMO

Monday, March 14, 2016 3:24:00 am  
Blogger Nicoenarg said...


Exactly. That's what's taught in the Gospels which is why pointing at someone and going "you killed Jesus" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black sorta situation.

Monday, March 14, 2016 3:29:00 am  
Anonymous cjk said...

Yes I agree that in a way it was all of mankind, but it had to be the Jews and anyone who understands Christianity knows it had to specifically be.

Monday, March 14, 2016 3:45:00 am  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Remember this is coming from a Jew who despises DOGMA - and is skeptical of any organized religion, since a perfect being has neither the need NOR the desire to be 'worshipped'

Given the writings of TWO men (one a jew who became a roman, Josephus/Flavius) there is no HISTORICAL (i.e. outside the Bible) evidence/mention other than that - that Jesus existed.


He did exist, but my point is that any judgment to be made about the execution (the end of a life mentioned outside that book only TWICE) can NEVER be said to be fact. Any more or less than the details in Herodotus.

I am not arguing against faith, OR the bible, I am relating historical fact.

Likewise the only record of any sort of the execution of Jesus is a book intended to be a moral guide, not a historical record. For all we know, the Coptics and Council of Nicaeus added/subtracted/edited.

Good moments for time travel(altho higher on my list would be Egypt ~1300BC)

The bible is inconsistently written by men at some point ..example .. the Old Testament, the 5 Five books of Moses ends with Moses vaguely describing where he was buried. If I manage that I expect positive reviews from you all.

So I have a hard time taking any book of faith in any way OTHER than a moral guide to behavior.

And since these books are written by men (the Old testament thought to be written by 4 different editorial teams, J , R, E, D and 'finished' as late as the Babylonian exodus), I believe we are free to judge that as well. The primary example being the quran. We DO all judge that.

I have NO IDEA if Pilate ordered the execution with popular support or not, by 5, 50, 500, or 5,000 or a screaming mob who were actually there to be in a protest. I have no idea of the MOTIVES of those who recorded the event or when their editing of that event was completed.

No one does. I know what others have said the witnesses have claimed.

So when I see this event being used to justify racism (and that's what it is) it's WISE to go the actual facts and note what is factual, and what can NEVER be ascertained, but is accepted as faith.

Faith=belief in the absence of PROOF.

I realize that some/all of this may be offensive, and I apologize, but having been one of those in REAL LIFE accused of being responsible for this death, my INSTINCT is to find the unarguable facts.

Because, as many of you know ...


It's just that in some cases, I'm your kind of asshole (Die Hard II)

Monday, March 14, 2016 10:27:00 am  
Blogger Pete Rowe said...

If you want sources that Jesus existed, then Celsus and the Talmud are other sources. I will say that if he did not exist, then certain places in Israel have invested a lot of energy in maligning his name from Yeshua to Yeshu. To have not existed, he seems to have made an impression.

Monday, March 14, 2016 1:06:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

"The Talmud contains passages that some scholars have concluded are references to Christian traditions about Jesus (Yeshua). The history of textual transmission of these passages is complex and scholars are not agreed concerning which passages are original, and which were added later or removed later in reaction to the actions of Christians. Scholars are also divided on the relationship of the passages, if any, to the historical Jesus, though some scholarship views the passages as reaction to Christian proselytism rather than having any meaningful trace of a historical Jesus"

Pretty much what I argues about Coptics/Council of Nicaeus

Celsus is a very interesting addition. Thanks. I knew nothing of him, and it's too bad we only know of his work by rebuttal.

The bible as actual history is one of the most fascinating subjects possible

Monday, March 14, 2016 2:09:00 pm  

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