Wednesday, June 14, 2006

Left Vs. Right: Abortion and Liberation

I think this may be Reliapundit's best post ever:


I think there's a deep connection on the positions that Left and Right take on two seemingly unrelated issues - two issues which are at the center of America's political debate: abortion and liberation.

The Left is pro-abortion and anti-liberation. The Right is anti-abortion and pro-liberation.

ON ABORTION:

The Right is basically anti-abortion, believing that the only non-arbitrary point at which to argue individual life begins is at conception, and that because each and every life is sacred they must be treated as such - from conception. Abortion is the taking of human life and should be avoided; adoption should be promoted as the only acceptable way to deal with unwanted pregnancies.

The Left argues that a woman's control of her own body is a fundamental human right, and that ths includes control over the fetus until viability. The Left feels that the Right only cares about the fetus, and that as soon as the baby is born "the Right doesn't give a rat's ass about that person - otherwise they'd support a cradle-to-grave welfare state." (I have personally heard this argument a thousand and one times!) The Left believes that people should have their basic needs GUARANTEED by the state - FOR LIFE.

ON LIBERATION:

The Left argues that Iraq and Afghanistan are disaster zones where chaos and violence rule the day, and that there was more stability ands safety for Iraqis and Afghanis, and for their region - if not the world - before Bush decided he had the duty to "impose democracy" on people who probably aren't ready for it.

(BEAR WITH ME: Forget that this conclusion doesn't jibe with the facts, for a moment! Forget that the annualized death toll during Saddam's reign of terror was GREATER than the last three years! Forget that MILLIONS of Afghani refugees have RETURNED to Afghanistan, and that women are learning to read again - and see doctors, and children are flying kites.)

The Right argues that democracy is not ever "imposed" - rather, what we had in Iraq and Afghanistan were tryannies - which WERE imposed - that have been removed. The Right thinks it's unfair to criticize the inefficient and messy "sausage-making" process (called self-government by consent of the governed) in nations which have JUST begun to form their democracies; IOW: democracy is a messy process not an catered event. "SURE SURE SURE," the Right admits, "things are tough now, but the people are materially better off already and they have more liberty, too. And the situation is improving. And, ultimately... IT'S UP TO THE IRAQIS AND AFGHANIS THEMSELVES (to paraphrase Franklin):

They have their democracies, now they must defend them!

"THE PARALLEL: literal birth and figurative birth

The Left might criticize the Right's position on BOTH abortion and liberation as desiring the baby to be born, but then NOT guaranteeing a honkey-dorey life, after that. In the absence of that GUARANTEE, the Left says it's a better deal if the baby - and the democracy - HAD NEVER BEEN BORN. Iraq and Afghanistan have had rocky starts; to the Left, this proves these democracies should have never been born.

The Right believes that LIFE and LIBERTY are fundamental human rights derived from the Creator - AND NOT THE STATE. And that it's up to each of us - not the state - to do the best we can for ourselves. On a national scale, ONCE LIBERTY HAS BEEN SECURED, it's up to each nation to do the best that it can, too. Italy and France can do it their way; the UK and Poland can do it another way. Democracies allow the governed to decide - by majority rule. It ain't one size fits all, and some will do better than others.

The Right's positions are entirely consisitent and based on First principles: LIFE AND LIBERTY ARE SACRED. THE LIVES OF ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE - INCLUDING MUSLIMS WHO HAVE NEVER YET LIVED UNDER DEMOCRACY AND FETUSES.The Left's positions are consistent, too: they'd rather have less liberty and a strong state guaranteeing cradle-to-grave welfare and "public safety" - (like the USSR and Saddam's Iraq) - than have more liberty and more personal risk.

This acceptance of hazard and risk (as a COST OF FREEDOM) is also why people on the Right are more comfortable with the idea that wars do not always go so well, but that if we perservere we will win.The Left wants victory guaranteed - in a short time-frame, too. Without any costs. That's why they get wobbly and defeatist when the going get tough. Just as the Left thinks it's WRONG to "IMPOSE" life on a fetus, the Left feels it's wrong to "IMPOSE" democacy on the tyrannized.We on the Right thinks it's our duty to do both.

This basic difference between the Left and the Right is why the enemy is counting of the Left gaining power, and aborting the nascent democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq.This is no mere metaphor. Lincoln rightly said - in the Gettysburg Address - that VICTORY in the US Civil War would lead to a NEW BIRTH OF FREEDOM. It did. So too will WW4. If we win. Not a final victory, but an important victory in the continuing saga of ever-expanding human liberation.And we gotta just keep fighting. Keep fighting, baby! It's a good fight. THE GOOD FIGHT.

God Bless America. God Bless Our Troops.

9 comments:

Pastorius said...

If, if, if ...

If only you could really fly like the Peter Pan you seem to be.

Life is tough, my friend. There are consequences, and there are winners and losers, and

THERE IS RIGHT AND WRONG.

Someone ought to have taught you this a long time ago.

Kiddo said...

Pastorius, one of your best posts ever, IMO. Utterly brilliant. I am always amused by the Leftist attempts to act like they really care about the lives of others. What they care about are endless debates and rationalizations of their own contradictory ideals. But you're right. They'd rather spend a century or longer debating the issue and never actually touching it than facing the realities. Or facing the truth that there is such a thing as right and wrong. Two very basic principles that have been thrown to the wind.

Anonymous said...

Boys... (forgive my assumption but I suspect I am correct)...

Read my lips:

The

woman

owns

her

own

body.

Not Jesus.

Not imaginary gods in the sky, Allah included.

Not priests or imams.

Not collections of cells that are not yet human.

And certainly not YOU.

Now, can we get back to the subject at hand, please, which is Islamofascism? Unless, of course, in the disastrous event of a Muslim victory you are planning to join the clerics in hunting down and beheading every woman who has had an abortion? Hmmmm?

Anonymous said...

I dislike when abortion is written off as a political idea.

Just because someone believes that Iraq and Afghanistan are much better off now and are on their way to imporving does not mean that they are some crazed Pro-Lifer.

It is arguments like this, that couple political and social issues together that are the problem.

Pastorius said...

Little Red Bird,

One can support abortion, as I do in many cases, and still understand that it is the actual killing of a human life.

What I object to is people who are dishonest and refuse to admit such.

If you read this again, you will find that no one said anything about Jesus owning anyone's body.

And, in addition, while I can't speak for Reliapundit, I beieve he was speaking in absolutes here to make the point as clearly as possible. I don't think Reliapundit is an absolutist on abortion, but I may be wrong.

Kiddo said...

Oh, ladies, don't make me puke. A collection of cells? Actually, I can bring this back to the topic at hand with my cheesy "illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam" which "proves" that Mo knew all about embryonic development. Check out this one:
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm

But be a little more sensitive in the future, please. Some of us are a bit touchy on this subject, and if you've lost a baby, you'll know what I'm talking about and how you can want to punch a computer screen on reading the words "Not collections of cells that are not yet human." IMHO, people need to be a bit less dogmatic on both sides of the abortion debate, a bit less vicious and divided. But do remember that any woman who has been pregnant or has miscarried who reads this site is probably harmed by such words. Sorry to sound so vicious myself. But the point had to be made.

Anonymous said...

Pim, read this carefully because I want you to GET IT on the first pass. I DO NOT GIVE A RAT'S ASS about any woman who wants to equate my life with that of her unborn fetus. That is HER business. My life is MINE. And how DARE you tell me that my opinions have to be regulated by whether or not she FEELS "harmed". Since when do any of you fetus fetishist Christians care ANYTHING about the feelings women confronted with unwanted pregnancies. Ohhhhh noooooooo, those are just "inconveniences".

Pastorius you hypocritical little Jesus d***-sucker and the rest of you as well, if you actually thought abortion was "murder" you would not stop until every woman in this country who had had one was hunted down and imprisoned. But you know all too well that would give your miserable little game away. When people found their wives and daughters and girlfriends and sisters and mothers being dragged off to prison they would recognize you for the malevolent, woman-hating bastards you are. So you try to peck us to death with your miserable, cowardly little laws, and kill or terrify our doctors. All because you think some giant MAN in the sky flicks a little twinkly Jesus-soul into every fertilized egg which immediately becomes more important than the woman in whose body it resides. But you know damn well it isn't murder. It's just something you don't "like", something that makes you uneasy because you think if you let it go on maybe Jeeesssuuuss won't invite you to the Big Party in the Sky When You Die, so you pick away at women's lives, you don't care which ones you hurt, if they aren't pushing a baby out from between their legs or letting one suck on their tits what the hell good are they anyway?

The point Pim just eloquently made is that you Christian woman-as-baby-making-machine worshippers have no respect whatever for the rights, never mind the "feelings", of women whose lives do not revolve around producing your babies. Women to you are ANIMALS. We are COWS FOR JESUS, and yes it all has to do with your damn imaginary male gods up in the sky. Do you think you could get away with this rot without that pseudo-sanction of JEEEESsssssuuuss sitting up there on his throne next to the FAAAAATTTTHHHHERRRRR, both of them having fits if anyone so must as suggests that sonny boy would touch anything as filthy as a woman? You are essentially no different from the Muslims, you see women as something to stick your penises in and to push out your sons. That's all we really are. Except that the idea of your Jesus sticking his holy penis in one gives you the fits. It would be funny if it wasn't so sick.

As for you, THIS GIRL, why are you bothering to support abortion to save the woman's life you hypocritical little bitch? What the hell do you care if she dies? What the hell to do you care about Muslim girls who are mutilated and raped and forced to have the babies of men they didn't even know until they were dragged into bed by them? After all, it's the BAAAABBBBBY that's important, right?

You make me sick, the whole bunch of you. Go to hell.

Kiddo said...

OK, guess you missed my point on the first pass. Nah, that's not a guess, it's obvious. When I say that there should be less dogma on both sides, this is what I'm talking about. As for the other point, take a hint. Read what I said. Don't just fly off the handle. Mail me if you really want to. I made my point rather politely and even included an extremely humorous link about Mo and embryos. At least be courteous or use mail or something. I had my reasons for asking for courtesy and they were not political or religious. But caring about all womens' rights IMO means caring about the rights of ALL women, not just those who are gung-ho pro-choicers.

But don't leave on account of what I have said. I've enjoyed your commentary quite a bit in the past, and I have the ability to agree to disagree. If you're that mad at the post, I can't help you there. But not because of what I said, please.

Pastorius said...

Little Red Bird,

I said abortion is "the killing of an actual human life." I didn't say it was murder. I support abortion certain cases, such as

1) when a woman has been raped

2) in case of incest

3) when a woman's life is endangered

I am not sure if that list is exhaustive, because I have not really thought it through. I don't think about the subject very often, and, I am not a lawyer.

You're being awfully disrespectful to me, a guy whose opinion you seem to respect in most other cases. Calling me a "Jesus dick sucker." Wow.

I wonder if Jesus would want me to suck his dick?

Words like that don't intimidate me.

I will say that, in retrospect, I am sorry I included a post which alluded to my feelings about the pro-abortion crowd, because I think our war against the Jihad is so much more important.