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‘The American Intelligence Community has finally
done to the USA
what they have been doing all around the world’.


Friday, August 10, 2007

Why it's compulsory to PAY ATTENTION to who is holding your hand

I don't think I stand second to anyone in demanding that a set of secure borders exist.

But you just have to watch out WHO is in the parade along with you.... now the SPLC is one of the oldest and best anti-segregation, anti racism orgs in the USA, and played a key role in KILLING aryan nation. They have regarded the border battle as one of racism and I have criticized them for this, both here and to them directly (I have contributed there, and WILL)


San Diego Minutemen Linked to White Supremacists

San Diego’s KPBS-FM, a National Public Radio affiliate, aired a story Aug. 2 detailing the links between the white supremacist activities of two high-profile supporters of the San Diego Minutemen, a nativist extremist group whose bellicose tactics and internal feuding are detailed in the current issue of the Intelligence Report.

The KPBS story revealed that San Diego Minutemen activist Ray Carney worked for 11 years as a computer expert for White Aryan Resistance, a neo-Nazi hate group lead by Tom Metzger. The story also steven1b.jpgquotes Intelligence Project Director Mark Potok describing the white supremacist tattoos and symbols featured on a MySpace page belonging to Steven Shine, another frequent participant in San Diego Minutemen protests.

Our favorite moment in the KPBS story has Shine being interviewed by the station’s reporter “while restraining a pit-bull at a north county canyon where local Minutemen rallied to evict migrants from outdoor camps.”

Shine took down his MySpace page shortly after the Intelligence Report story came out. But we captured it for our archives before it vanished.


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Blogger Scott said...

Soo....you don't like their ideas, so you wish to have them whipped?

A little over the top, aren't we?

Sure, the minutemen need to act to distance themselves from racism, but to call for the whipping of men with whom you have an idealogical difference is the epitome of tyranny and terrorism, something I thought this blog might be against.

Friday, August 10, 2007 6:17:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Scourged as in .... get them out. Not as in Torquemada...

However, having come up against the KKK in person, more than once in the 60's, in the 'woods' as it were, the other kind might really be FINE BY ME, as well

I do not have an ideological difference with the KKK. It's personal, Scott. PHYSICAL and PERSONAL. Do I have to draw a picture?

The KKK is a violent terrorist organization. PERIOD. That experience is firsthand.

The minutemen would be WELL SERVED to expunge any trace of cross pollination.

Friday, August 10, 2007 7:55:00 pm  
Blogger Scott said...

What? Am I being censored now? Nice. My first comment appeared immediately. Now my response to your rebuttal does not appear.

Friday, August 10, 2007 8:26:00 pm  
Blogger Scott said...


So..I don't know what happened to my well thought out and most elloquent response. Must have dragged when I meant to click or something.

The main points were:
#1, I can find no definition in any dictionary that defines scourge the way you do. As a verb it means to whip, as a noun it mean affliction or plague.

#2, Without evidence of crime committed by the men in question, your calls for beatings are still wrong. They have just as much right to free speech as you or I, regardless that we disagree with them.

#3, It's all moot. The San Diego Minute Men are a distinct and separate organization from Jim Gilchrist's Minute Man Project. Seems the latter has already taken steps to distance themselves from the San Diego group.


Friday, August 10, 2007 8:31:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Try typing your response again.

Friday, August 10, 2007 8:37:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Frankly if what you say is correct, then good.

"The San Diego Minute Men are a distinct and separate organization from Jim Gilchrist's Minute Man Project. Seems the latter has already taken steps to distance themselves from the San Diego group."

Have a link? Because if you so, the SPLC should be informed.

If you want such evidence for those who are KKK, then do you feel the same for KSM? KKK made war on american citizens, black and white.

Careful with the answer, the constitution say PERSONS...not citizens.

I still hue to my original theme.. those who are for secure borders must be pristine and unsparing in ensuring that racists hiding inside that idea are not doing so to keep out 'spics' and other 'mud people'.

Definitions for 'scourge' (a cause of wide or great affliction, or an instrument of criticism) aside..that is quite minor in this issue ...
Racism masquerading as national security.

PLEASE PUBLISH the URL for your assertion that the SD org is not connected to the national org. That would be nice to have.

Friday, August 10, 2007 8:54:00 pm  
Blogger Michael said...

The SPLC is an extreme lefist organisation led by a shameless opportunist named Morris Dees.

Dees first jumped on the victimhood bandwagon in the late 1970's campaigning against the US Constitution and Bill of RIGHTS and drumming up support for the revocation of the 2nd Amendment of the BoR's.

Dees' magazine, "Intelligence Report" panders to the intellectually challenged America-haters and 5th Columnists within our society. However, to paraphrase Mario Puzo; "Ain;t personal, it's only business", and business it is with Morris Dees, pandering to flakes and dividing America has made him a wealthy man.

If Dees said that the sky was blue, I wouldn't believe him.


Friday, August 10, 2007 10:27:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Nice try, CAN YOU REFUTE the claim, Michael

Dees is responsible for figuring out how to DESTROY aryan nation.

Are you against the destruction of Aryan Nation, Michael?

Can you refute the claim against these men and therefore the minutemen?

I am interested in these facts.

I would LIKE to see them rebutted, and if not I would like to see the Minutemen OSTRACIZE and reject these men forthwith.

Otherwise this all REDUCES AMERICAN NATIONAL SECURITY by hiding racists amongst those who wish for secure borders.

The SPLC is not responsible for the Minutemen.

I still hope for Scott's links.

Those who destroyed Aryan Nation DID GOOD.


This may be an enlightening moment here

Friday, August 10, 2007 11:08:00 pm  
Blogger Scott said...


I don't see any reason to continue reading this blog or contributing to the comments.


Because you don't even know what you've posted. The Link YOU POSTED in the ORIGINAL post details how The Minuteman Project rejected the SDMM. It's on the FIRST PAGE of the second linked article(http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=780), in paragraph seven. So, the SPLC *IS* informed, but YOU are not, even tho you linked to it and you told your readers to go there.

You say you are interested in facts, but you don't demonstrate that. You seem to be just another cut-n-paste blog, without even reading what you cut-n-paste.

Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:00:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Scott my LINKhas 4 paragraphs

The embedded links in the (SPLC) blog do not work for me...and your link is cut off, so whatever you are saying I can't see it right now.

If the SPLC knows or should have known that this is not the national group, that is THEIR fault. And that is clearly NOT stated in the blog.

Are you pointing to a news article link?

More, my point goes to the Minutemen as well...If you were runnning the Minuteman project (which is a worthy and important project) why wouldn't you take every opportunity to lambast these cretins (the facts of the blog story remain unchallenged) ..since people like me who are not exactly UNINFORMED have no idea there is a difference between the groups. In fact were I in their position I'd be taking legal action (even if it failed) to force them to remove the name, JUST TO MAKE THAT POINT.

Imagine what the avg person thinks.

You make a lot of assumptions, such as putting the whipping interpretations into my mouth on a word which clearly has multiple meanings (M-W.com).

Why don't YOU take the bull by the horns and use the SPLC home page contact form and make that point (which I cannot see). You seem to be saying they don't know in their blog they are claiming the group involved with the KKK is not the 'Minutemen' when something they reference says it's not.

I know they respond since I have and am taking other issues up with them. Like getting Wonkette delinked as racist

Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:44:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

BTW, Scott, you had mentioned the Minutemen had taken steps to distance themselves?

I'd really like those links if you have them, and don't mind coming back to this cut and paste waste of time and effort

Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:53:00 pm  
Blogger Tom said...

What a bunch of fools. I did business with nearly every business in Fallbrook for over 45 years. Carney was simply the locale MAC computer man.
I wouldnt go near a Minuteman group. They are pussy race mixers. Dont insult my Racist intelligence. THE INSURGENT TOM METZGER

Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:36:00 am  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

Tom said...

What a bunch of fools. I did business with nearly every business in Fallbrook for over 45 years. Carney was simply the locale MAC computer man.
I wouldnt go near a Minuteman group. They are pussy race mixers. Dont insult my Racist intelligence. THE INSURGENT TOM METZGER

Ahhhh....Satan has arrived!....Your late! What kept you? You dithering old fool?.....

Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:58:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

First off,

I hadn't had a chance to follow this thread.

Jesus Christ, what a thread.

Epa, good job. Thank you.

Scott, I guarantee you you were NOT censored, as I am the only person who has the ability to do that here, and I ONLY do it when people use racist language, and I haven't seen you do anything of the like.


I can not figure out if you parodying racism, or truly declaring yourself to be a follower of Tom Metzger, but here is the official policy of the Infidel Bloggers Alliance:

FUCK WAR (White Aryan Resistance).

And, if I were ever standing next to Tom Metzger, and I had a gun in my hand, I would shoot him in the fucking head.

So, fuck any of you who think that that man is a hero.

Fuck you, and stay the fuck away from my blog, you assholes.


Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:59:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

And, by the way, Tom, if you truly are a racist follower of Tom Metzger, then know this:

I am NOT a Jew.

I am a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant Bible-believing Christian man.

Really, do me a favor. If you really are that kind of racist, go hang out with your friends, and plot to overthrow the world on your own.

Stay away from here.

The wheat will be seperated from the chaff eventually, and I think you are the chaff.

Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:10:00 am  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Tom, if you are a provocateur .. you're good.

If you are trying to be satiric, you are better.

If you are for real you are even funnier, and are just great.

No matter, everyone else here has their jew phones and will triangulate on you with our ZOG fake satellite dishes now that we have your IP address.

Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:23:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

That is true, Epa. We are triangulating at this very moment.

By the way, ever once in a while, because I am not a Jew, I think those god damned Jews down at ZOG think they can Jew me down, and they send me only half the money they owe me to keep this blog going.

This is another one of those months.

Did they do that do to you too?

Because, I WANT MY FUCKING MONEY, and if I don't get it, I'm going to expose the whole lot of them.

Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:12:00 pm  
Blogger WATCHER71 said...

...Please...I can't Blog if I'm pissing myself laughing.....!...too funny...

Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:12:00 pm  

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