Tuesday, January 20, 2009

A Bit Of History On The Bubonic Plague

Over at this thread at Jihad Watch, Max Publius of the blog Brave News World left the following information:
Muslims caused the Black Death in Europe by biological warfare. This may be one of Islam's few innovations. Muslims catapulted diseased, dead bodies over the walls into Christian Constantinople. From there, bubonic plague spread into Europe and killed over 50 million people, or one in three Europeans. Historians obscure the link to Islam by calling these jihadist Muslims "Mongols," but they were actually Muslim, using Arabic names, and worshipping Mohammad....

14 comments:

Gayle said...

Thank you, Always, for leaving a link to this blog and for posting about it. This doesn't surprise me in the least. Just like I said on my post in answer to your comment, I put absolutely nothing past such dispicable people!

Pastorius said...

Hmm, I'm not sure Mr. Publius is right about that.

As I understand it, Bubonic Plague comes from rats.

It may be true, that Euros cast the dead bodies of those infected with Plague over the walls of their cities, and the Muslims cast them back.

Always On Watch said...

Pastorius,
As I understand it, the Black Plague can also be transmitted via contact with those infected. If I can find the link where I read that information, I'll post it here in the comments section.

Always On Watch said...

HERE is one link:

Bubonic plague is a contagious, deadly disease caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. Sometimes referred to simply as "the plague," this disease has played a major role in world history. Because plague is highly contagious, it is easily transmitted from one person to another.

A bit more information:

Yersinia pestis is an intracellular parasite. In contrast to other kinds of bacteria, it enters cells. The bacterium that causes tuberculosis is also an intracellular parasite, as is the bacterium that causes chlamydia
, a sexually transmitted disease.

Humans are not the "first choice" of host for Yersinia pestis. The Yersinia pestis bacterium infects the bloodstream of rats and other wild rodents such as squirrels and prairie dogs. Humans become infected only through the bite of a flea that has ingested blood from an infected rodent. Another route of transmission is through person-to-person contact. If a person's lungs are infected with the bacteria, the disease can be transmitted easily to another person through a cough or a sneeze. This form of transmission is extremely quick: cases have been recorded of persons dying from the disease within 24 hours of exposure to an infected person.

Always On Watch said...

BTW, I found the above info via this Google search.

Always On Watch said...

Apparently, there are earlier and later stages. From this source, but I don't know reliable it is:

In the early stages, it's called bubonic plague and is spread primarily by insects. In the case of the Black Death in Europe, it was spread by fleas which traveled from place to place on rats. The later stage is called pneumonic plague and is extremely contagious, spread through coughing.

Always On Watch said...

How do people get plague?

* By the bites of infected fleas
* By direct contact with the tissues or body fluids of a plague-infected animal
* By inhaling infectious airborne droplets from persons or animals, especially cats, with plague pneumonia
* By laboratory exposure to plague bacteria

Pastorius said...

INteresting.

We learn something new every day here at IBA, don't we?

:)

Anonymous said...

Max Publius was partly correct

He mentions Constantinople, but in fact it was Kaffa, now knowed as Feodosiya

n 1346, the Plague came to Kaffa, a Genoese cathedral city and a port central to the successful Genoese trade industry located on the Crimean Peninsula of the Black Sea. The Tartar forces of Kipchak khan Janibeg, backed by Venetian forces - competitors of the Genoese - had laid siege to Kaffa in hopes of removing the Genoese from one of the cornerstones of Europe's defense against Eastern attack and Genoa's dominance of east-west trade. Kaffa was helpless, barely able to sustain even the crudest living conditions. Finding its chief means of supplies cut off, Kaffa spent the next year watching itself decline into a hopeless state.

But then, in 1347, to the Italians' delight, their opponents began to die off at an alarming rate - Janibeg's army was overcome by the Plague. Janibeg had no choice but to call off his siege, but not until he performed one last act of warfare against Genoa. Using the catapults designed to throw boulders and fireballs over the walls of fortified cities like Kaffa, Janibeg launched the Plague infested corpses of his dead men into the city. The Italians quickly dumped these bodies back into the sea, but the damage was done. Due to the squalid conditions forced upon Kaffa by the siege, it was ripe for the quick desolation of the Plague.

Hoping to escape the quickly spreading disease, four Genoese ships, thought to be untainted, departed from Kaffa.

http://books.google.co.id/books?id=ZzlNgS70OHAC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=black+plague+kaffa&source=web&ots=q8b_YojSL0&sig=bED-TziniDCIahHQYOSFRVWHZU4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA174,M1

Anonymous said...

Shiva said most of what I was going to say, the black death happened nearly 200 years before the fall of Constantinople. The practice of catapulting diseased animals and bodies into cities under siege was nothing either new or strictly Muslim although the Mongolian Janibeg had converted to Islam. The black death could not have been spread from Constantinople after its conquest, there were virtually no survivors to escape.

Epaminondas said...

Absurd.
The germ carried by fleas would have reached europe sooner or later EVEN IF one stipulated that Abduallah ibn Killyu threw infected bodies into Siena itself.

REVISIONISM WARNING!

SCIENCE.... fleas on animals get to go everywhere..rats are just the handy, well traveled, tough, adaptable, VEHICLE, and this would have reached anywhere ..AND DID.

However in this instance, if you were LOOKING for a disease which would kill a bunch of yo yo's living primitively, who can't show their faces to get the right meds, and are compelled to live in 9th century ways by themselves and the situation they have chosen ..and a disease which could never get a foothold even in a poor third world nation...

Epaminondas said...

How much more successful could the west have been?

The west was totally successful.
Only dead dinosaurs prevent the entire islamic world from being a void separated from famine die offs only by largesse.

Europeans vaulted infected bodies over town walls as well. The number of accusations of a certain tribe infecting/poisoning wells is too well known.

Smallpox, blankets, sheep, anthrax infected skins, rats, Y pestis, bubonic, pneumonic, all are nothing more than objective evidence that no matter how primitive the weapon, or sophisticated, once unleashed a biological weapon has no target and all targets, and despite any tactical thought on the part of any attacker, it is not realistic to place blame for the black death in Sweden, or Oxford on anyone in Turkey, ESPECIALLY since nothing on earth would have prevented those fleas from arriving sooner or later naturally ...just as nothing on earth could protect the american hemisphere indians from the epidemics unleashed on them by the arrivals after 1492. Arrivals whose reason are as natural as those which drove men from africa to australia and polynesia

Epaminondas said...

FROM NIH
1: Emerg Infect Dis. 2002 Sep;8(9):971-5.Click here to read Links
Biological warfare at the 1346 siege of Caffa.
Wheelis M.

Division of Biological Sciences, Section of Microbiology, University of California, Davis, California 95616-8664, USA. mlwheelis@ucdavis.edu

On the basis of a 14th-century account by the Genoese Gabriele de' Mussi, the Black Death is widely believed to have reached Europe from the Crimea as the result of a biological warfare attack. This is not only of great historical interest but also relevant to current efforts to evaluate the threat of military or terrorist use of biological weapons. Based on published translations of the de' Mussi manuscript, other 14th-century accounts of the Black Death, and secondary scholarly literature, I conclude that the claim that biological warfare was used at Caffa is plausible and provides the best explanation of the entry of plague into the city. This theory is consistent with the technology of the times and with contemporary notions of disease causation; however, the entry of plague into Europe from the Crimea likely occurred independent of this event.

PMID: 12194776 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

keep it truthful! said...

no offence but what you said sounds like complete and iter rubbich. Sounds like someone has a grudge against muslims and is trying to get everyone else to hate them too. From what i know( and many others) the Bubonic Plague came from mermuts (or something like that) in china to fleas to rats who brang them into Europe. Nothing to do with Muslims......