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The naïve optimism of the hippy generation boggles the mind. No one dislikes the idea of universal love and peace. But that assumes that there is no evil. The unbelievable culpability of the generation of love stems from the fact that this generation’s parents fought against Hitler. They should have understood that unreasonable evil exists. We understand that the Woodstock generation needed a place in the sun and were overshadowed by the greatest generation. It makes sense that they needed a spectacular War with higher ideals than their parents to stake their generational claim and so fought against all they called sinful in an impure world. But, their doing this with an ignorance of history has created cultural ripples that endanger our very survival and it is time to grow up.
Our current generation faces a threat very similar to Hitler and the NAZIs in content, radical Islam. The proponents of this vision play hardball in an attempt to place an authoritarian theocratic stranglehold upon us. Were the Islamic vision implemented it would have many of the same odious features as NAZI Germany had. It would put a stranglehold on all freedom of speech, it would put women even farther back than NAZI Germany in terms of feminist freedoms, and it would give little men the power to brutally exercise violent authority over their enemies. One could hope that this Islamic vision would only include the traditional second-class citizenship given to non-believers in their societies, called dhimmitude. But NAZI Germany and Muslims allied over their hatred of Jews. A second holocaust, or at least the destruction of Israel, would not be unlikely if the power of Iran’s ruler, Ahmadinejad, and his ilk spread. And like NAZI Germany, when the radical Muslims take over the moderates will not dare voice dissent.
Barak Obama wholeheartedly embraces the sixties generation’s ideals. When spoke in Egypt and Turkey, he pleaded for the kindness and understanding from the Muslim world. Obama decided to go after those who used waterboarding on three terrorist and give the mastermind of 9 – 11 Sheik Khalid Mohammed a civilian trial to improve our image abroad. The concept is that if we are seen as loving, they will not hate us and we can all live in harmony. This might work with people that might already love us. But hateful evil monsters bent on our destruction cannot be reasoned with. The thought of reasoning with Al Qaeda or Hamas, like reasoning with an evil madman like Hitler, shows a naiveté that is pathological. Bad people can only be reached through inflicting pain. Bad men only divulge information with torture. And, in war even innocent people get hurt.
Multiculturalism is a manifestation of the same 1960s mindset that convinces Barak Obama that we can “all just get along.” In this vision all cultures can find peaceful coexistence because they all, deep down, believe in love, human rights, and the dignity of the individual. Its slogan “celebrate diversity” affirms that all cultures are essentially good and that, ironically, no diversity exists. In its darker side it goes back to the 1960’s anti-modernity, anti- western stance and blames us for not being the angels it expects all people to be. It lionizes the non-western as its founders lionized the Vietnamese as they fought us. Well, the North Vietnamese were violent warriors who turned their nation into a living hell after we left. All that is non-western is not good. To challenge the dominant unreal and dangerous 1960s cult of multiculturalism we need to spread the name of its opposite, culturism. Culturism acknowledges that sometimes cultures can be evil and unreasonable and must be dealt with as such. It recognizes that not all is peace, love, and flowers. As such it helps remind those who still carry the 1960s peace and love torch that their parents confrontation with evil was not a one-time occurrence.
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from John Ratzenberger's remarks at Brown rally"
"This isn't the Democratic party of our fathers and grandfathers. This is the party of Woodstock hippies. I was at Woodstock — I built the stage. And when everything fell apart, and people were fighting for peanut-butter sandwiches, it was the National Guard who came in and saved the same people who were protesting them. So when Hillary Clinton a few years ago wanted to build a Woodstock memorial, I said it should be a statue of a National Guardsman feeding a crying hippie."
Culturist John,
Even where I agree with the Hippie generation as you call it, they have not succeeded in total in eliminating all they saw as evil, and that's only if you pay attention to the United States. If they couldn't even get rid of all the evil and mean spirited aspects of man's nature here, how can one reasonable expect it to happen with the rest of the world. People like Hitler, only respect strength, and they will regard any attempt to appease them as a sign of weakness. Our enemies today, come far closer to Hitler than they do to Hippies, and they will not change and see us as their friends, if we are nice to them.
DM60462,
Congratulations on the memories. The story of the national guard saving them by bringing in food is amazing, the idea of a memorial of a national guard member feeding a hippie is so funny! WOW !!!!
You should write an article about this moment!
And, yes, I was tempted to mention Bill Ayers and that this is a very different wing of the Democratic party. Yes, JFK was a hawk and we've come a long ways.
Damien,
Yeah! The age of aquarius in Afghanistan. Good luck with that !!! And you are right, the peace and harmony between the ethnic groups has not been totally successful and therefore, you are right, the idea of increasing diversity by celebrating diversity has more potential for mischief than benefit. Kumba - damn - ya.
We are fighting a two-front was; the Jihad and the Dhimmified Left Multiculti idiots.
Post of the DAY!!!! Thanks !!!!
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Culturist John,
Thank you.
Anonymous,
Mindanao is the island my wife and her family are from.
remember -too - the the 'hippies' got violent if they 'felt' that they were not being 'heard'...
excellent post!!
C-CS
I like that:
"The concept is that if we are seen as loving, they will not hate us and we can all live in harmony."
The concept actually makes sense if you think you're dealing with a person. But we're dealing with an ideology, and it doesn't have feelings.
You said,
"Bad people can only be reached through inflicting pain."
And I would add, "And sometimes they cannot be reached at all."
And maybe I would add: We don't really need to reach bad people. The people we need to reach are those in denial of the fact that some people cannot be reached.
This is so good. I'm enjoying your writing as I might enjoy really good music. I love this line:
"All that is non-western is not good."
Culturist john states some profound material; if you believe and agree with him, you are not part of the problem facing us. The implacable left with their frightening iliberal insistence that their distorted view of the world is real nearly blanket some colleges and states. Fortunately, the alert and aware are unwilling to be sitting ducks for the naive and puerile idiocies of these babies in tie-dye suits. Like a horror flick, you can be talking to a 'normal' person, then suddenly recognize he is completely unable to see the real dangers around him. Hard as it is, he must be educated, because he represents an everyday peril to us in addition to the more mundane one of terrorists and islamists abroad.
Watch it dudes, most people think I still am one.
dm60462, I was out there too. In fact when they asked for Iron Butterfly's mgr to come to the stage, BY NAME, I thought my mother had gone into action.(At her insistence we went with 6 3 foot long hebrew national salamis, and heavy plastic groundsheets ..consequently we were dry, clean, and full)
Don't stereotype hippies either.. I knew plenty of people who thought Vietnam was WRONG, but that the USSR had to go as the main threat to all the ideas the hippies maintained. (After all, let's face it, I don't think either Ayers or Alinsky had in mind standing in line waiting for the next toilet paper shipment to come in)
Today these not stereotypable 'hippies' are called NEOCONS.
Count me in. As my name indicates..the world's first neocon.
Liberty613, I love the horror flick analogy. That is exactly how it feels.
Epa, I am sorry to hear you consider yourself a neocon. And, while I am sure some hippies were against the USSR, they were much more likely to be praising Ho Chi Minh and Che than your average buck. I don't think the stereotype of the red diaper babies is without merit.
Thanks again for the post of the day status!!
CJ
Culturist John,
Half the people who post here are Neocons, including me.
:)
I respect your writing/ideas, but that doesn't mean I agree with all your opinions.
I don't think it is possible, in the modern world, for us to be able to simply allow Muslim nations to remain as they are.
Iran will eventually have the bomb, and they will use it. Regime change is the only option ultimately. Sure, we can bomb their nuke plants, but that will be a rinse and repeat job until the regime is gone.
And, in the Muslim world, each regime can easily be replaced by an even worse regime, if we don't interfere.
Surely, you acknowledge there is some truth to that.
nice name, liberty613. I used to converse at a place named Islam.com with someone with a similar name... WAY BACK .. you aren't student613 by any chance are you?
Pastorius,
Yes, there is some truth to what you write. I simply conceive of the neo-cons as too Wilsonian and not enough like Teddy Roosevelt.
We certainly agree that Iran's having the bomb is dangerous. Culturists believe that majority cultures have a right to protect, promote, and guide themselves. Having a bomb is not part of Iran's traditional culture.
I believe we need to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. This is a part of protecting our majority culture as they threaten our sovereignty and heath. But, I would not then go in and try to nation build them. If Iraq or Afghanistan stay hell-holes I don't care; just as long as they know the hammer of destruction will come down hard if they mess with us.
But, I have accepted the fact that not everyone agrees with me on this planet! Like liberty 613 said, it is like a horror flick, but I accept it !!!!
Don't you think Neo-Cons put a little too much faith in their nation building projects? Do you dispute that this rebuilding nations is a part of the neo-con definition?
PS CITIZEN WARRIOR I appreciate your comments and agree that some folks cannot be reached at all. Did you read Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism"? It also made the point about the hippies violence.
Culturist John asks: Don't you think Neo-Cons put a little too much faith in their nation building projects?
I say: Yes, they do. For instance, I think it is absolutely impossible to change Afghanistan. However, I do not think it is impossible to change Iraq. However, we have gone about it wrong, and are, in my opinion, doomed to fail.
Pastorius,
In terms of successfully providing for our security, how would you weigh these two options? One is we attempt to refashion a major Islamic nation (Iraq) into a friend and success. Number two is we put the fear of god into them by military hurt.
Machiavelli said you can control if people fear you much better than if they love you. I agree. Even if we bring gold and water, we are likely to be resented for interference. I am not sure how to do it right.
The other factor is money. This pouring of dollars into Islamic nations is dangerous, but it also impoverishes us.
This is why I am an isolationist hawk, not a neo-con. I really hope that I am wrong and that Iraq turns into a stable ally. Let's see.
As a neo-con, I would like to know how you think we can successfully rebuild nations and turn them into allies. I would also like to know which nations you think we can rebuild. Saudi Arabia? Iran?
culturist john ... MOST and I mean MOST of the hippies I knew might have been quite vociferously against the war, hated what LBJ was doing, but NOT ONE, NOT ONE ever said a word IN PRAISE of either Ho or Che. One is dissent, the other, something far more sinister. Of course I was in Charlottesville, Va, not a hotbed of anti americanism. But the whole point is that neither was Columbus, Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago or a lot of other places.
The thought that 'hippies' loved Ho and Che would be a cultural stereotype and frankly an urban legend.
The number who did things like that are, I WOULD WAGER, in the same proportions as racists hiding amongst us now.
I think that is important to remember.
As far as neocons, freeing the Messenian helots and thus destroying Sparta, and leaving Epaminondas' army's wake (in the first pre-emptive invasion in history) fortified free cities of these slaves (such as Megalopolis, thereby killing Sparta), I think provides the only answer. The only other alternatives I can see as generalized principles for foreign affairs are all out nuclear annihilation, or Ron Paulista hermit crab, paleo isolationism.
Ideas, like JQ Adams', that we should provide an EXAMPLE ONLY, rest, UNFORTUNATELY, with the times and realities it took weeks to a month to cross the seas and get here. IMHO.
Right now, unfortunately, the best defense is a good offense. That's the hand we have.
Culturist John,
My answer is simple, and I've said it here on IBA many times:
We follow the blueprint for war which we developed in WWII and the American Civil War.
1) Destroy your enemy
2) when he is beginning to fall, and make sounds about giving up, hit him with a coup de grace blow, a la Sherman's burning of Atlanta, the firebombing of Dresden and the nuking of Japan
3) in the aftermath of the physical war, we must be as brutal to the ideology which put the enemy on the battlefield in the first place, as we were to the enemy himself. In Japan, Germany, and the American South that meant making the ideology itself illegal, banning it completely.
In the case of Islam, this would mean banning Sharia law and advocating Jihad.
End of story.
Until we actually do this and lose, I will not believe it can not be done.
Pastorius,
I agree, we need to be brutal, and we really shouldn't care how much some people don't like it. Yes innocent people will die, but more innocent people will die in the long run if we do not. Eventually I fear it will come to that. One can say they have a right to their culture and their own vision, but they will not tolerate our own culture and our own vision even on our own soil. As far as the Jihadists are concerned no non Islamic culture has a right to exist anywhere, and they don't care what we think or anyone else thinks.
Epa,
It is interesting. When I was a babe, my hippie parents had a life size painting of Lenin on a door. That does not mean that they loved Lenin. But, it was chic in Venice, California. And, I really can't imagine that no hippies liked Fidel. So, loving his friends could not be far behind. Don't you think that Jane Fonda had a slight alliance with Ho Chi Minh? Was she alone? Were Marxist takes not hot on campus during the 1960s? I don't know about VA, but it seems that an affinity, at whatever level, existed between many hippies and yippies and communist revolutionaries.
Do you think that Sean Penn and Chavez is a total fluke?
And, I LOVED you erudite take on Sparta. Helot's were clearly the victims of Spartans. The practice of killing them to show ability was obviously heinous. I am not sure that the people of Afghanistan and the Taliban have such a hateful relationship. Polls in Pakistan and London show a great deal of love for violence against the West and sharia.
It is, though, an open question. Would the people surrounding the Aztecs, if powerful, replaced the Aztecs brutality with humanism or repeated it? Would Iran become a progressive state if the Ayatollahs would disappear? Will Turkey remain "secular?" I am less optimistic about the lovely nature of man than you.
PASTORIUS and EPA,
I think that Islam is different than Japan or Germany after World War One. Islam is inherently violent and domineering with a history to back up that interpretation. And, the banning of Jihad and Sharia sounds great. But you need to have a strong military that wants that. Because otherwise, a few bad apples can ruin the whole bunch.
Again, I think invading and pouring money into Islamic nations will provide debt, money going from the good guys to the bad, and resentment. But I hope, since we are embarked on such endeavors in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan that these efforts produce the results you desire.
Thanks!! John
Culturist John,
You wrote: I hope, since we are embarked on such endeavors in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan that these efforts produce the results you desire.
I say: They will not succeed, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT USING THE MEASURES I OUTLINED.
Culturist John,
I also wrote, earlier in this thread, that Afghanistan is a lost cause. There is nothing we could do to help out there.
I'm with Damien. They won't let us be, so we have no choice but to fuck them up and then change their system.
Hence, I am a neocon.
Epa and Culturist John,
Reliapundit would back up what Culturist John is saying.
Also, I sat with a person in marketing at one of the major TV networks and listened to her lament that she and her friends in the SDS had not brought about a revolution in the U.S. She admitted having done "very bad things" in order to bring about that revolution.
Hey, maybe few hippies were as bad, but it certainly is strange that I know her, CJ and Reliapundit and they all say the same thing.
Did I just get lucky?
Pastorius,
I sit corrected on your statement. That is right you did say you thought Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan wouldn't work.
I am still clear on how banning sharia and jihad will happen in a Muslim society. Until that is proven possible, denying that it didn't work because it wasn't done right sounds too much like the communists saying real communism, done the rights way, hasn't been tried. We tried, it failed. You cannot take the Jihad and Sharia out of Islam.
Turkey and Algeria may be good counter arguments to what I am saying. But Turkey was an internal change, not forced from the outside. And, I am not sure how much longer they'll be able to ban Islamic political parties. But, at any rate, I don't think conversion following bombing will happen in Islamic societies. In the meantime, I would just put my money into punishing societies that attack us and combine that with domestic border control.
When we beat Japan in WWII we then went into their country, occupied it for about ten years, outlawed the Shinto Buddhist-inspired ideas that contributed to the Rape of Nanking and Pearl Harbor, etc. We forced their Emperor to admit he was not God.
Have we attempted anything similar in Iraq?
NO.
Instead, we allowed them to enshrine Sharia in their Constitution.
Iraq will fail.
We also set up elections for Gaza. They elected Hamas.
Gaza is obviously already a failure.
We have done nothing about Sharia, nor have we done anything about the preaching of Jihad.
I'm not like a Communist giving excuses for why the Soviet Union failed.
We haven't done anything of what I suggest. Not in the slightest.
You can't accept the STEREOTYPE
Think the guys and galz at Chapel Hill wanted the same thing as Columbia in 68? I was at both and you are WAY OUT OF IT if you think so.
New York is where they had draft riots..............
IN
1863
Because 'no one' wanted to die for a bunch of ni**ers.
It's big country with many different slices.
As far as Afghanistan and Iraq, John ... when we apply Sherman's 1st and 2nd laws we'll find out. But it won't be anytime soon and THAT will be where you'll find me in PRACTICALITY probably agreeing with you as far as ultimate policy is concerned. Tho I might lean towards the 20 minute solution.
Did you just get lucky, Pasto?
Where are these people and what are they doing? Not Dakota, Iowa or Georgia. Not Texas, New Mexico or West Va. Right? East coast west coast ultra exceptional slices.
Hippies who didn't yet know they were what we call libertarians calling for legalization of drugs, more open society (THAT'S NOT COMMUNISM) and EQUAL OPPORTUNITY (not mandated equal outcome) were NOT looking for Lenin. Giving the finger to authority and telling them to fuck off is Daniel Shays NOT Che.
Being a fool and believing in kumbaya is also NOT socialism, or lauding Che, it's just naive.
Again, IN CHARLOTTESVILLE VA - I knew of NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE who hoped Ho Chi Minh was successful. And I organized some shit, and helped other organize some bigger stuff, 67-69 (when Organic Chemistry became a more pressing issue). IN DC. But did I hate LBJ, work for McGovern, and think the entire effort should be stopped?
YOU BET. And I also saw published columns I wrote supporting Bush in 2004 in the Manchester Union Leader where until 2000 we had been VERY ACTIVE in the dem party ..you should have heard what happened among our friends (even tho I the last dem prez I voted for was Carter in 76) ..we worked for Bradley (hey I'm a Knick freak ... or I was for that team .. 3 phi beta kappas a Rhodes Scholar and 2 valedictorians? Cmon. I mean think about the NBA now, - thug crybabies)
But then ..9/11.
If we had been truly successful after 67 would Nixon have been there, been elected if there had been no riots in Chicago in 68?
Would there have BEEN a Carter, and an Iran, or USSR invasion of Afghanistan?
But look at me and many others now.
Dissent is patriotic. But Jane Fonda is a fucking traitor as much as Lynne Stewart, and John Walker Lindh.
I guarantee you that the same proportion of people who say they want a secure border but hate 'greasers' as a real reason for that, is similar to the % of hippies who loved Lenin and wanted to Alinsky the USA.
Most wanted to keep the money coming form mom and dad and the party rolling. SEX DRUGS AND ROCK AND ROLL.
Still sounds good to me.
Pastorius,
Okay, I hope I did not upset you.
So you want to go into said nations and outlaw Islamic thought' or at least jihad and sharia. Hmnn. I admit we have not tried that. I doubt we ever will, but it is a nice plan.
And perhaps Islam is only as entrenched in Islamic nations as Shintoism was in Japan. Perhaps Islam will take a back seat as easily as Islam would. I don't have enough information to evaluate that.
It is good to better understand your ideas. Thanks for communicating with me.
John
Pasto and John... GAZA is a perfect example.
Hamas IS the govt they want. It is a perfect expression of the arabs' desires, and ultimately societal suicide.
At the time (2005) I was content to see the election because I was confident about what would happen (demonstrating to all the naifs what the people wanted), and also that the ONLY WAY PALESTINIANS WOULD SURVIVE would be to slog thru until they just get sick of a bunch of guys more interested in genocide which actually turned out to be their own, and less interested in a better life for the people ON THIS EARTH.
Gaza is a perfect lab for whether or not democracy can ULTIMATELY be the cure for wahabbi freakism and heaven being a reward of sex and alcohol for killing jews and crusaders.
I believe it will. I'm just not sure if we have the time while Iran is ready with what they consider another solution.
Epa wrote: Where are these people and what are they doing? Not Dakota, Iowa or Georgia. Not Texas, New Mexico or West Va. Right? East coast west coast ultra exceptional slices.
I say: Yes, that's right. We've got on the crazies on the coast, and they are in positions of power.
Culturist John,
No, you didn't upset me.
:)
Epa,
I don't think Democracy work in Gaza, because the Sherman principles were not applied first.
Also, it's not real Democracy if it doesn't have a Costitution protecting real Human Rights.
It's just Mob Rule.
"It's just Mob Rule."
Sure, the religious Barzinis.
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