Douglas Farah of Couterterrorism Blog has written an article [posted 4/13/09] about the MB, that is a must read.
The MB Inroads Into the Obama Administration
From Atlas Shrugs
Much has been made about equating Bush's hand holding and Obama's bow to the Muslim king. Most folks, even on the right, draw fallacious similarities, and Atlas is here to tell you, it ain't so.
President Bush was wrong on Islam. Indeed. But his error was more in ignorance than anything else. He did not study the Quran, he was surrounded by taqiyya spouting dhimmis and Muslims. And let's be frank, Islam is a complicated, dark, deceptive ideology. You have to peel back layers of nonsense to get to the heart of jihad. How do you think they got where they are? Science? Technology, Medicine? 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II nailed it when he said, "‘Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." (Pope Benedict cited this as well, which led to the papal jihad.)
As I stated in my post, The Proof is in the Pudding, I refuse to believe that Obama is a christian, based on his words alone. His actions have not proven it to me, either before he was president (Rev Wright) or during his presidency.
As Pamela states:
On the other hand, Barack Hussein Obama was born Muslim. His father was a Muslim. His stepfather was a Muslim. He was raised in Jakarta, Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world. He went to madrassah, he studied Quran. He knows. He knows what it is. He knows what it says.
The bow wasn't a "mistake". If it had been merely protocol, he would have bowed to the Queen of a country that is our staunchest ally. Instead, he bowed to the Muslim king of the most violent, misogynistic strain of Islam. That's no accident.
Obama was born a Muslim. Period. His father was a Muslim, and according to Islamic law, if your daddy is a Muslim, you are a Muslim. He claims to have converted to Christianity, but there is no record. No baptism - he admits to that. He joined a Nation of Islam-inspired church of black liberation theology.
He told Nicolas Kristof of the New York Times that the prettiest sound he ever heard was the Muslim call to prayer at sunset. [Fingernails, meet blackboard]. Any Muslim who has left Islam ............Ibn Warraq, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan does not speak of Islam glowingly - as Obama does. They never speak of "respecting" Islam "even if you don't agree".
The bottom line is that you cannot equate Obama and Bush on Islam. Knowing the little that Bush knew (and who was whispering in his ear) and knowing everything that Obama knows, Bush still didn't bow. Obama bowed like an abid. He knows that, too. It's why he bowed.
I do not trust Obama. Not only because of the types of people who voted for him, his ties to domestic terrorists, the crooks, liars and cheats he has attempted to get into office, the worldwind tour of "dissing" our allies. He is trashing our country's ideals, our constitution, our economy, our military and our reputation.
But, most of all, because of what appears to be his most important mission, selling out our country to Islam.
Obama is fully aware of Jihad and the "mission" of the caliphate. By no means is Obama ignorant. And that IS the problem.
With his knowledge, it's too bad, he isn't on our side.
For additional information regarding Obama's family and history.
Obama's Twisted Roots, by Pastorius
18 comments:
Bush holding the fat Arabs hand or the cheek kissing was a sign of equality between the two men, whereas obama bowing was an acknowledgment of the superior saudi arab blood-line to mohammed.
obama knows the meaning very well, he is not that stupid to forget how he had to bow and kiss the hand of his ustad (islamic teacher) when growing up in Indonesia.
Think of what Obama did as being like unto what a member of the
Catholic Church does when they meet the Bishop or higher.
America has taken a giant step towards islamization
Christine,
I going to repeat all my old comments here, from your previous deleted post, so every one can see them, as well as as many of the old comments from other people Which I was able to find. Note: I'm sorry I can't get all the comments from everyone who commented on previous post before it was taken down.
Responding to a comment by Revereridesagain, I wrote,
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I wouldn't jump the gun on this, this is not proof that he is secretly a Muslim Jihadist trying to subvert America. If he is, he's guilty of treason and that's a serious charge to level against the president of the United States. The question you should ask yourself here, is, is this enough to convict Obama in a court of law. You would have a pretty difficult time convincing a well educated jury that this pandering is proof of subversion, and that would even be a jury who know about Islamic doctrine. If Obama is really trying to weaken the United States for the Islamic world, that would mean that he's actively helping our enemies. Wouldn't that make him guilty of treason. I'm going to need some pretty convincing evidence to convince me that our president is committing what amounts to treason. By convincing evidence, I mean something that could convict in a court of law, that could be thrown out as too circumstantial.
Even when he was a Muslim, how much did he know about Islam? How much was he taught about Islam, any way? Remember that the nature of the evidence matters far more then the seriousness of the charge, contrary to what some might say.
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I don't remember if there were any comments in between, this one and the next one I'm about to show, but I think I might have and I just can't find them.
In response to Revereridesagain, and my comments, Midnight Rider wrote
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I tend to agree with Damien here, the beware ODS we've talked about. I see Obama as much more an extreme Liberal tool who goes about trying to appease everyone because they think we should be liked, not respected. That it's a very dangerous path to follow there is no doubt but it still doesn't get me to closet muslim/Manchurian candidate bent on the Islamic Destruction of America.
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In response, Christine Wrote,
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I'm not going to argue with you MR.
But, I will continue to lay out the facts and follow the path he is taking.
If Obama gives up the Muslim Brotherhood's plans to infiltrate our country, get's tough on Iran, mends our friendship with Israel ect., ect., I will stop.
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In response to Midnight Rider's last comment I wrote,
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midnight rider,
I completely agree with you here. Obama's policies maybe dangerous, but that does not prove that he's a Manchurian Candidate, out to help the Jihadists topple America. I can even explain strange things like his bow to the Saudi Royals without resorting to conspiracy theories. Maybe he's foolish enough to think that he can appease them, or maybe it was just something that looked like he was bowing, like he claimed. I don't know, exactly.
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I wrote another comment, but Christine deleted the original post, before I was able to post it. I can't remember its exact contents other than it was responding to Christine's last comment.
All comments from the original post here were retrieved from my email. Revereridesagain, I'm sorry I was unable to find your original comment in my email. I think because it was before my first comment came after yours, so it didn't so up in my email in the first place.
shiva,
Obama maybe bringing our country towards islamization, but does he realize it? Is he a traitor? Is he trying to help our enemies destroy us? I see no convincing evidence that he wants to destroy America or make it submit to the Islamists. Remember, I don't know how strict a Muslim Obama was as a child, or how much he actually knows about Islamic doctrine.
would obama be doing anything different if he was a stealth muzzie?
nope.
that's what counts.
Christine,
I see no convincing evidence that Obama is not ignorant. Again, how much does he know about the Muslim Brotherhood? Could he also just be trying to appease them? Plus he is showing some sign of trying to fight our enemies. I don't want Obama in office, but all of his actions could be just as easily explained by him being a Nevil Chamberlain, Jimmy Carter type than a stealth Jihadist betraying his country from its highest position. How much are his actions simply based on wishful thinking?
I see no compelling evidence that Obama is not just another typical leftist.
Damion,
I explained why Obama is not your typical leftist.
I did not say he was a stealth jihadist.
Why doesn´t Obama show his birth certificate?!
Christine,
Well, you sounded like you were saying he is a stealth Jihadist. Maybe you were not saying that. Maybe I misunderstood you.
However, he may not be a typical leftist, maybe he's a radical leftist, but we need to be careful when we accuse the president of something. If Obama is trying to bring down America, (the country he is in charge of) and make it submit to the Islam-o-Fascists, than would he not be guilty of treason? If he is doing it, because he's secretly still a Muslim, and he wants America to submit to Sharia, wouldn't that make him a Stealth Jihadist? We need to be very careful when we level such a charge against someone, including the president. We need people to take us seriously, and if we just go around acting like Obama wants America to become Saudi Arabia, and is helping our Fundamental Muslim enemies to that end, without any compelling evidence, you'll just decrease the likely hood of people taking us seriously.
But seriously, someone really needs to talk to him about the Muslim Brotherhood. I don't know how much he knows. Maybe he knows a lot, but is foolish enough to think he can change them.
If he keeps acting the way he's acting now, there is almost no way, I'm voting for him in the next election. Run the biggest republican in name only, against him, for all I care.
It would be almost impossible to prove in court that obama is a moslem, and to find him guilty of treason, because he is moving within the frame work of the law,and there is no law to prevent America becoming islamized through democratic means.
He is riding high on the American ignorance of islam. He could recite the Shahada, and hardly any American would know the implications, yet 1.3 billions moslems will know, and that is nearly four times as many moslems as there are Americans. He also recited it in arabic, which should be a good indication as to knowledge of islam.
What nobody seems to discuss is his child hood days in Indonesia, and what was happening there about the same time he was there.
We keep being told that his mother was a leftist. This I fin very odd, because it was in the mid 60,s there was mass murder of any body who was thought to be left wing, so obamas step father was taking a very big risk by bringing a leftist wife to indonesia during those dangerous years.
I find it very unusual for him to be sent to an Indo school,because most ex-pats send there children to international schools.
What is more unusual, is that he went to islamic classes, as during the sixties there where not so many, and they where mostly attended by kids of stricter moslems.
The point I am trying to make is, obama has more knowledge of islam than most indonesians of his age.
T know many and not one can recite the shahada in perfect arabic.
Shiva,
1) I request that you write a post on Indonesian history, during the days of Obama's living there.
2) You are SO right that Obama is working within the framework of American law. And, that is why I have limited my criticism of him to repeatedly stating that he is "outside the American Tradition." Which he is. He is not running America according to the dictates of the men who founded America. He is, thus far, staying within the bounds of the Constitution. He is following the letter of the law, but not the spirit.
Shiva,
And
3) You are right to say that when Obama recites the Shahada, he knows the meaning of it, and he is, therefore, sending a clear message to the world's Muslims.
Another thing that is very important for people to remember is that Obama's friend William Ayers, the noted "Leftist", named his children Malik (the name of Malcolm X) and Zayd.
From Discover the Networks:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2169
Dorhn and Ayers have two children, whom they named Malik (the Muslim name of Malcolm X) and Zayd. Zayd's namesake is Zayd Shakur, a Black Panther killed while driving the radical JoAnne Chesimard (a.k.a. Assata Shakur) to a hideout — the resulting traffic stop shootout ended in the murder of a New Jersey State Trooper. The former Weather Underground terrorists also raised Chesa Boudin because his natural parents, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, were serving lengthy prison sentences for their roles in the Brinks murders, a joint Weatherman and Black Liberation Army operation in which two police officers and an armed guard were killed.
In other words, Obama's most troubling friendship, with Bill Ayers, is with no simple "Leftist", but is instead with an Islam-sympathizing Leftist/Communist.
OOOOOh we are beginning to go down a dark sinister path when we start looking at people like Shakur.
I came across Assata Shakur when trying to find if out if Tupac Shakur had any islamic connections
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