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Saturday, August 15, 2009

What do you mean, "we", Kimosabe?

Guardian:

"We" could live with a nuclear Iran

Pre-emptive strikes have no part in serious debate. We must deal with the clerics as self-interested statesmen, not fanatics

One consequence of Iran's disputed presidential election is that President Obama's best-case scenario for dealing with the nuclear issue can now be dismissed. This envisaged a reformist victory and a new Iranian government willing to stop short of turning Iran into the world's 10th nuclear weapons state. The scale of opposition protest suggests that change will come, but it may arrive later rather than sooner. In the meantime we are faced with an insecure conservative regime that hopes to shore up its fragile position by exaggerating the external threat and making national security the defining issue of domestic politics. This is not a promising basis for compromise.

khamenei_blames_jews.jpgThese risks are compounded by the apparent urgency of the situation. Although Iran's intentions and capabilities are hotly disputed and difficult to gauge, most analysts agree that it is close to achieving a nuclear "breakout" capability, whether it plans to build an actual weapon or not. That is why Obama has timetabled next month to take stock of the offer he made in March for a new relationship with Iran based on dialogue and "mutual respect". The lack of any positive signal from Tehran in the next few weeks is likely to trigger an American move to tighten international sanctions in an effort to dissuade the Iranian leadership from going any further down the nuclear path.

Waiting impatiently in the wings is a new, hardline Israeli government that regards a nuclear-armed Iran as the only outcome it is unwilling to tolerate. In his campaign statements, the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, adopted an uncompromising stance: "I promise that if I am elected, Iran will not acquire nuclear arms, and this implies everything necessary to carry this out." All options, including a unilateral military strike against Iran's nuclear installations, are therefore considered a price worth paying to avert what Netanyahu characterises as an "existential threat". Israeli officials measure the limit of their patience in months rather than years.

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Netanyahu knows that Obama would not support an Israeli military operation, which is why he will not repeat the mistake of his predecessor by asking for permission. It took Bush eight years, but he finally got something right when he told Ehud Olmert to back off. What even he couldn't ignore is the serious instability and damage to western interests that a move of this kind would invite: a renewed upsurge of anti-American feeling across the Middle East sending moderate allies scuttling for cover; a further wave of terrorist violence and a new lease of life for al-Qaida; the targeting of allied forces in Afghanistan and Iraq; and perhaps weighing heaviest of all, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz and an oil price spike that would tip recession into depression

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WHY IS DELUSION OVER THESE ENEMIES OF ALL FREE MEN DOMINANT?

GUARDIAN:"Some point to President Ahmadinejad's statement that Israel should "disappear from the page of time" as a reason to view Iran differently. But no one seriously imagines that his finger would be on the nuclear button. Military command and control is the prerogative of the clerical elite, which more than anything is concerned with preserving its own power structure. Even anti-Zionist posturing is rationally grounded in Iran's desire to increase its regional clout despite the limitation of being a non-Arab state."

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PM:"We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will. I cannot believe that such a program would be rejected...., even if it does mean the establishment of personal contact with the dictators."

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Mario Puzo : "Fools die"

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17 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What can you expect from the looney-left Guardian? Pretty soon, they'll have an Islamic gov't. just like Iran.

Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whatever one may think of the BNP, this attempt to sanitize Islam is a dangerous load of Taqiyya.

Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:59:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

Silly Post.

Don't you know that GLOWBALL PEACE THROUGH DEAD JUDEN is the only thing they can all agree on?

Obamanable Bushman is also fine with a nuclear Iran.

Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:00:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Former PM:No doubt the Jews aren't a lovable people; I don't care about them myself; but that is not sufficient to explain the Pogrom.

Generous of him, wasn't it?

Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:08:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

I hate Pogrom Season.

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/The_Gulag_Orkestar/477819

Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:13:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

The Prophet Zimmy: Eccentric, Suspicious and Old

http://babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com/2009/08/prophet-zimmy-eccentric-suspicious-and.html


Fishy Old Jew Picked Up For Wandering

Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:18:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

Ok now you got me.... when you click comments on your site... what's the pic of the guy with the branches?

I want a big one

Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:28:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

LOL.

Silly Epi.

Jewsus and his Whip Akbar!

Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:32:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

next time someone asks you what would Jesus do

Tell them that sometimes, the answer is:
make a whip
scream and yell
and chase all the assholes out of the temple courtyard

Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:45:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

He named his whip?

I can think of a million lines which would offend everyone, everywhere, even atheists .. beginning with Clarence Thomas ..

yodhayvuvhay bless everyone who pushes the limits, Babba ...

Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:13:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

ululululululu , Epi!

Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:07:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

It would seem to me the larger point is that Lefties want the world to believe Jesus was a peace-loving hippie, just like them. Instead, he was The Word of God come in flesh form. He stood for Truth and Righteousness, and his tongue is a sword which will divide the nations.

How peaceful is that?

Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:46:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am reading "A Peace to End All Peace" by a guy named Fromkin. It is the history of the UK's involvement in WWI and their role in establishing the "Modern Middle East."

It was written in 89 and is out in a new edition.

Let me say that if half the ineptitude, in-fighting, ignorance and sheer stupidity he attributes to the British leadership is true, I think I understand Britain's bizarre guilt and self-destruction at the hands of radical Islam.

I have a friend who is not much of a fan of Israel. When I challenge her with history, she always says, "well, OK - but I blame Britain."

After reading that book, I can understand why.

Wow.

I am a Zionist, and reading that book also gave me fresh insight as to what a huge miracle it was that modern Israel was ever established.

Ro

Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:19:00 pm  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

huge miracle it was that modern Israel was ever established.


Yup
GOD will not be mocked.
ISRAEL belongs to Him

Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:21:00 pm  
Blogger Epaminondas said...

I will not presume to know the mind of god, but 2500 years of history makes it beyond conclusive that if jews are not to be an exterminated group in THIS WORLD as humans have made it, Israel's existence as a jewish refuge is absolutely COMPULSORY.

Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:39:00 am  
Blogger BabbaZee said...

But you can know something of the mind of GOD he left us a manual.

We were deputed to carry a covenant against barbarism in this world.

The Barbarian world does not like that.

Therefore we must die.

The logical end result of obedient covenant carrying in this world is they will hate you and try to kill you.

It's in the contract, and we said NAH ASEH V'NISHMA

we will listen
we will do

and that's that.

Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:49:00 am  
Blogger calgacus said...

and what about that crazy extreme leftist John Abizaid who says we could live with a nuclear Iran too?
Oh wait, he's a US General, not an extreme leftist - and he said it 2 years before this Guardian article did.

ABC News' Jonathan Karl Reports: In contrast to U.S. officials who have consistently called a nuclear Iran unthinkable, former CENTCOM commander John Abizaid told reporters Monday that he believes the United States could live with a nuclear Iran.

"There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran," Abizaid said. "I believe we have the power to deter Iran if they go nuclear" he said, just as we deterred the Soviet Union and China. "Iran is not a suicidal nation. Nuclear deterrence would work with Iran."

Maybe not so crazy after all. Maybe it's saying we need another Iraq war, this time in Iran, that's really crazy

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/abizaid-we-can-.html

Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:49:00 pm  

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