Sunday, August 15, 2010

Jeffrey Imm, of Counter-Terrorism Blog and R.E.A.L. Attacks Culturist John of Infidel Bloggers Alliance

I BELIEVE JEFFREY IMM OWES US AN APOLOGY

Jeffrey Imm (in an article which attacks Pajamas Media for not doing a good job in their article on Imam Feisal Rauf) has done a bad job on his homework on Culturist John. Jeffrey says the following of Culturist John:

Anti-mosque protester Madeline Brooks has also written articles in support of the efforts of Brooklyn Tea Party anti-mosque protests, led by John Press, who views himself as a “culturist” in support of “European-America” cultures only.  “European-American cultural” activism is a widely used code word for white racist groups throughout America that we have challenged, and that have challenged us.

Culturist John left the following comment at American Renaissance:
We need to employ the word culturist to save our school system. Currently, our school system sees differences in achievement and searches for answers and skips the cultural explanation you highlight.

First it looks for racial differences and finds none. This, I believe, is good. If such differences were found it would benefit no one. But, then it shines its multicultural light and says all cultures are equally wonderful. This means that none could explain differences. The only conclusion left is that the system is racist.

Culturism is the opposite of multiculturalism. Culturists actually take diversity seriously. Homework rates explain differences in achievement. But the inaccuracy is not the only problem.

Multiculturalism’s denial of cultural importance and leading to conclusions of racism teaches students that the system is racist. This leads to despair and anger. It leads to students saying homework is for whites. The whole leftist mindset makes students against school. This is a formula for disaster.

If education schools are going to have any relevance they must stop skipping cultural analysis. Instead of searching for hidden racism, they better become culturists. They must ditch multiculturalism for culturism.

Now, American Renaissance IS a racist site. Knowing John, as I do, I would be willing to bet he is not aware of their agenda.

It will be interesting to see why John has been commenting on their site.

But, I'm sorry, I can't see the racism in John's comment. Can you?

Also, I would like Jeffrey Imm to find the racism in the following article by Culturist John Press:

Culturist Solutions, Vlaams Belang, the BNP and the USA

John Press, Ph.D. - 5/25/2009

Blogs and political parties focus on the spread of Islam. They have made us aware – if terrorism did not – of the danger Islam can pose to western civilization. But, what solutions can be had? Many worry that right – leaning political parties such as the BNP and Vlaams Belang will, for lack of positive options, move towards advocating ethnic cleansing. Such actions would completely undermine our values and cause major civil unrest. This policy could destroy the West. Culturism relies on history. American history provides lots of positive, legal solutions to the fear of Islamic law growing in western nations.

We have long taken culturist action based upon an appreciation for our culture and its fragility. Puritans, the two Great Awakenings, the Freeman's bureau and Beecher's spreading of women's schools, Abolition and Prohibition, our naturalization and immigration laws, progressivism, the FCC and the Americanization movement all illustrate that we have a culturist heritage. Culturist mass movements of concerned citizens provided the impetus for many of these culturist episodes and mechanisms. We must again come to see ourselves as a culturist nation.

Our culturist immigration laws provide an example of solutions from our history. The 1921 and 1924 immigration laws capped thirty years of culturist agitation. These excluded Southern and Eastern Europeans. The quotas were based on the 1890 census. Right or wrong, culturist immigration laws fall within the scope of our traditions. We also have many other immigration court cases to draw upon. The obvious application is having another culturist law aimed at restricting immigration from Islamic nations. This is not racist, it is culturist. If such laws cannot now pass legal muster, you'd get the same effect by outlawing immigration from terrorist nations. Certainly this is within the rights of our nation.

We also have the right to take our naturalization laws seriously. There is a language component. Besides this, there is a loyalty clause; becoming an American citizen means disavowing allegiance to foreign potentates. We have tossed out folks who advocated the overthrow of our government for violating the loyalty clause before. Another legal tool is ending of monetary remittance to the home country. This would stop American funding of Jihad. People who then stayed here would be clearer that they were working towards the betterment of this nation. We can also stand up for our legal system as a component of our culture. That means saying no to Islamic or Sharia law. That means no polygamy, etc. Taking these culturist stances in law would help

Without invoking legal changes we can insist that schools once again recognize their traditional culturist mission. These need to teach our historical western narrative as a progressive one. One also based on values of duty and responsibility. You teach this by teaching the culturist history mentioned above. The schools of all nations are culturist. They transmit the dominant culture. We should enlarge the scope of our national holidays. We should have thematic parades, etc. This does not mean that those who do not want to partake must, but we have a right to celebrate our majority culture. When it is a good culture, like ours, it is good to do so and serves important culturist purposes.

We must welcome foreign investment, but we cannot allow culturist imperialism in the form of Saudi Funded Wahabbi Mosques. Obviously, because of the 1st Amendment, citizens may build whatever religious complexes they like. But, just as we have no international right to build churches in Saudi Arabia or China, there is no international right to build mosques in America. And, herein, demographics are important; we live in a democracy. That means, in part, the majority gets to direct the community via votes. That is self-government. If we wish to vote in such restrictions we may.

The ACLU needs to be counterbalanced by recognizing the legal standing of the majority culture. This is also a tradition. Read the first and second Supreme Court cases concerning Jehovah's Witnesses. The need for a community to perpetuate itself has traditionally had standing. And throughout most of our history the law has assumed the existence of culturist rights exist and balance out individual rights. The modern idea that one individual's sensitivities overrule the entire community's right to perpetuate traditions should be questioned. You do not have the right to build a porn shop next to an elementary school. Self-governance is our tradition.

We must also remember that culturist profiling is not racist profiling. And that while racist profiling would be bad, culturist profiling - because diversity is real - is rational and necessary. Splitting the two allows rational dialogue. This allows you to explain to Muslim citizens of America, that only strongly anti-American mosques and their members will be watched. You can get some in the Muslim community to acknowledge that this is necessary. And then we must scrupulously avoid keeping an eye on anyone for whom there is no probable cause. This way you can have legal, rational security, without violating the rights of Americans. If we violate the rights of people with no sensitivity, resentment will be justified. We have no need to, and should not, antagonize any good Muslim citizens.

Were the demographics frozen as they are now, were Muslims to get no adverse treatment, were radical mosques to stop spreading, were remittance and western cultural laws used to remove the incentive for radicals to move to America, the remaining Muslim population would likely become fairly content and moderate. Remember that rising populations and intimidation feed terrorism. If we praise our culture in our schools and in our discussions, if we provide fun holidays, most every citizen will more enjoy being an American. This is a positive program. It will reap more rewards than pure negativity and unjust discrimination.

We also need to change our international outlook. We must replace the globalist vision with a culturist vision. We have a side in international disputes. Despite what multiculturalists say, we have a core culture. We are the West. We are not the world. Since other nations do not accept refugees we need not. Other nations are culturist, we be so too. We should support Israel and other western nations because they are western. We should not send aid to Muslim countries. Muslim countries do not help us out. We should not be the only non-culturist civilization.

To initiate any of this, we need a shift in public discourse. Right now we would dismiss many of the above solutions as 'racist.' These culturst policies have nothing to do with race. We must recognize them as culturist. This will allow us to discuss such policies rationally on the basis of cultural diversity being real. And, we must embrace this fact. Multiculturalism needs to be counterbalanced. We will always have diversity. But we must stress our unity. We must avoid the extremes of both those who only wish to blindly celebrate diversity and those who preach hatred of Muslims, but provide no positive solutions. The West must acknowledge cultural diversity and start talking about legal and reasonable culturist solutions.

We can help foster culturist awareness and policies by using the terms culturism and culturist. When we use the word culturism we challenge multiculturalism. In every education school in America, students should demand culturst courses counterbalance the multiculturalist ones.
When we use the word culturist we help silence those who abuse the word racism to stop conversations.
When invoking the words, we stop being the only globalists on the planet and counterbalance the anti-social use of individual rights in the Courts. Finally, using the terms culturism and culturist help us remember our culturist traditions. Unlike multiculturalism, unlike the hysteria of racists, culturism and culturists point to many positive solutions.

John Press, Ph.D. is an adjunct professor at New York University. He is the author of “Culturism: A Word, A Value, Our Future.” www.culturism.us has more information about culturism

100 comments:

Unknown said...

Pastorius,

Thanks for letting me know about this. And thanks for the vote of confidence.

My reply to Imm on LFG is comment number 254. Basically, it states that it is wrong for multiculturalists to call all those who consider diversity real, racists. And, to call those who acknowledge that the West stems from Europe racist is a new low.

Imm may be doing a service by attacking real racists. I have only recently commented on Auster's site for the first time; and I haven't read but one article by him yet (there's been a long string of comments on that one article). But, the hunt for racists is so abused by the left that I don't trust it. Imm's slandering me is evidence.

As you can see the comment on American Renaissance (AR) is overtly arguing against racist interpretations of the achievement gap. It is culturist not racist. Culture is important.

And I apparently did comment on the AR site. It is a stretch to say that I have "been commenting" - as that implies that I have commented there more than once or even regularly. I don't know how you found this one comment, - or when that comment was made - but I'd be surprised if you could find a second one. It is not a site I frequent. And, no, I don't really know if it is racist or not as I don't remember visiting it.

I would welcome a debate with Jeff Imm. Though I'd welcome an apology from Imm, a debate would be better than an apology. But, I think that the Left owes many of us an apology for constantly calling us racist year in and year out for noting that cultural diversity is real and important. It stinks. And it even stinks worse when they say you're racist for opposing mandatory health care or wanting to lower taxes. They should all apologize to us.

Thanks for noting the article, being a character witness, and understanding that I think racism is stupid, wrong, and dangerous.

Damien said...

Pastorius,

Also, all the leftists who demonize people as racists and bigots for opposing the Ground Zero Mosque, need to do their homework as well.

Pastorius said...

Yeah, CJ, no problem.

I guess I was right. You didn't know what American Renaissance is.

I think Jeffrey Imm would do well to read your book, instead of picking and choosing a few comments here and there.

Black_Rain said...

i feel an important point.. is that Islam isn't a Race issue. it is a cultural issue. Although Islam is a Racist and Racially Supremest political an legal system only about 15% of Muslims are actually Arabs. Jihad is Arabification of a non-Arab country to force the inhabitants to become "Submissive" to their political and legal system. this is not a 'Cold war' methodology..
it is achieved by threat of death and genocide.

once Islamified and made Submissive, all evidence of the previous dominant culture is destroyed..their history, their music, their monuments of past achievements.. anything that will remind the inhabitants of what the Arabs call "the Dark times"..is destroyed, which is anything that existed before Islamification.

what the Iranians are demonstrating against is Arabification.. they are Persians, and they have seen what will happen to them many times...

i read that the total death toll of those slaughtered in the spread of Islam since 622 is about 1/2 billion. and many billions put into the worst forms of slavery.

it is still the same Koran..

there is a Lemon Law in CA to protect people from being sold a lousy car, and not revealing it's flaws.. why i there a black out about well documented genocides and the psychotic personality Cult nature of a so called religion.

Mo' was a psychotic paranoid schitzophrenic..
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9425

http://users.skynet.be/sky50779/mohammed.htm
this is the best i have found yet..

this is another debilitating disease Mo' had..
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_Islams_Terrorist_Dogma_in_Muhammads_Own_Words.Islam

Damien said...

Black_Rain,

I think that a lot of people may have trouble coming grips with what's going on, and that maybe one of the reasons.

Always On Watch said...

Wow! This from Mr. Imm surprises me.

I had occasion to meet him a few years ago, and he seemed like a perfectly reasonable person. And intelligent as well.

jeppo said...

Culturist John,

I read your exchange with Auster over at VFR. It's now blossomed into an extended intellectual discourse with several other readers adding their two cents. Good stuff.

Concerning our school system, you wrote: "First it looks for racial differences and finds none. This, I believe, is good. If such differences were found it would benefit no one."

I disagree. It would benefit the truth, and the truth--however unpalatable to some--eventually benefits everyone.

You correctly point out that the Left concludes that racial differences in achievement are entirely due to white racism. This of course is nonsense, and the best way to rebut this charge is by laying out the overwhelming evidence for racial differences in intelligence.

The reason why Ashkenazi Jews, Northeast Asians (Chinese, Japanese and Koreans) and Europeans are generally more successful in the US and worldwide than Arabs, Latin Americans and Africans is simply because they are--on average--smarter. Singapore is rich and Haiti is poor mainly because the average Singaporean has a 35-40 point IQ advantage over the average Haitian.

I basically agree with your culturist theories, but even though you've asked me in the past to use the term "culturist" to help popularize the concept, I generally prefer the term "civilizationist". Not because I want to steal your ideas and claim them for my own, but because I don't want to embarrass or discredit you by using the term "culturist" while insisting on the importance of race and racial differences in intelligence in the development of culture and civilization.

American Renaissance is a highbrow, philo-Semitic white nationalist website that is probably in agreement with 95% of what I read here at IBA. Its proprietor, Jared Taylor, is a true gentleman and scholar and the complete opposite of the crude racist that he is no doubt charicatured as by the likes of Jeffrey Imm and his ilk. The writers at Amren are the ideological allies of culturists and counter-jihadists, not their enemies.

Pastorius said...

Culturist John,
I do have one question for you:

Why did you defend the comments of your fellow Tea Party member, who, according to Jeffrey Imm, said:

“Those people don’t belong here! They ain’t gonna get along with our kids. Did you ever see a Muslim shake an American’s hand? None of them live here and we don’t want them in our community.”

Anonymous said...

Imm has a consistent habit of attacking people based on commenting and even comments by others. It is a mistake to consider him an ally or even a reasonable opponent. A closer inspection will reveal that he is much more dedicated to weakening resistance to the radical left and Islamicism than anything else. Do not be fooled by his protests in Philadelphia against North Korea's leadership or treatment of an adulterer in Saudi Arabia. When push comes to shove, it is about silencing dissenting voices on the right and even the dissenting center-right as much as possible when they reject some of the orthodoxies of our time. And he appears to be paid well to do so through dirty tricks.

Epaminondas said...

You know, on the education front if you are a culturist, and you look at homework rates, study time, and objectively measured grades (as opposed to social justice, equal outcome, all kids are special grades) one might be inclined to conclude that EAST ASIAN CULTURE VALUES are more valuable than what ours have become today, and may be superior in toto.

WOULD THAT BE RACIST?

There is certainly a danger that certain values in a culturist views can be conflated with individuals' darker and sick inner compulsions to yield the PERCEPTION that it is racism justified by history and culture.

In fact, if one takes the view that we are all of equal potential +/- individual DNA variables in the brain, then ONLY cultural and family practices remain as the variables to explain different outcomes.

It is my belief that if the homework/study time/ attendance culture of east asians today could be imposed on any other GROUPING one can invent that same result would be obtained.

Thus culturism can be said to be the INVERSE of racism.

Epaminondas said...

BTW, my view more and more is that (at the least .. the ascendant form of) Islam is IN EFFECT IN THE REAL WORLD - a POLITICAL system using religion to justify it's imperial aim. Not a religion whose compulsory cultural and political outliers enforce certain political consequences.

Pastorius said...

Jeppo asked: What do you propose to do about the imposition of Sharia overseas anyway? Invade their countries and impose our legal codes on their internal affairs? Slap punitive sanctions on Sharia law states? What?


I respond: Yeah, that's what we did to Germany, Japan, and the American South.

And, it worked.

Of course, we can not save the whole world. And, we need to pick our battles.

But, we should not pretend for a second that it's ok that Sharia is the law of the land in many place on this Earth.

Pastorius said...

Epa,
I agree with the opinions you expressed above.

Especially this: ... culturism can be said to be the INVERSE of racism.

jeppo said...

Sharia sucks, no doubt about it. But I'm not an imperialist so I don't believe that we should intervene in the internal affairs of other nations just because we find their legal systems distasteful or repulsive. That's their problem, not ours.

In fact, our modern, liberal and multiculturalist imperialism is so pointless and self-defeating that we overthrew a secular regime in Iraq only to impose a Sharia-compliant government in its place. And that neither serves our interests nor the interests of the Iraqi people.

Unknown said...

Pastorius,

Yeah, I doubt there is a second posting at AR. And, I wish anyone would read my book (Imm included)!! Long time few sales. A second edition is out. Please purchase her !!

Black Rain,

The Arabification perspective is interesting.

Jeppo,

I believe that the word, culturism, as an opposite to multiculturalism and racism, can spread faster than civilizationalism. But, due to your race views, I appreciate your not using the term.

Even if the IQ test results you mention had validity (please note that I’m not agreeing that they do), I fail to see the usable policy implications. Is the idea that we should stop trying to improve education? See our fellow Americans as less than fully human? Ask people to change their skin color or accept “their place’ in the pecking order? None of those are practical and some are downright offensive to me. What are the positive realistic policy implications?

On the other hand, the fall in educational attainment and rise in illegitimacy amongst all races shows that we can gain a lot by changing cultural assumptions.

And whether high-brow or not, I wouldn’t want to hang out at a “white-nationalist” site. Again, I see no connection between being white and good values (Hitler disproved that one) and no positive policies that can come out of emphasizing race. To have any success in saving the West we need to separate out discussions of race and culture. And, you saw Imm’s tactics in terms of association and slander.

Pastorius II (going in order of posts),

I agreed with the woman because she was generally talking about culture and not being a racist. The specific comment you quoted, however, is a bit over the top. I have actually done more than shake the hand of an American Muslim woman (details withheld). I basically wanted to start the article in a provocative way and get on to the bigger picture; no MAS mosque in that neighborhood.

Also, I defend the rights of various cultures to live the way they want to live INTERNATIONALLY - not here. And, yes, we disagree about overseas diversity. Again, I’d like to know which are the first five cultural horrors you’d like the US to take on. : ) On this point I am totally in agreement with JEPPO.

Epaminondas,

Your exactly right, IMHO, about the East Asian cultural values. Educationally, they create better results. And if we strictly interpret culturally, then other groups will have a barometer for internal change. This requires dropping the race interpretation. So yes, I LIKE IT, culturism can be said to be the INVERSE of racism. Pastorius, thanks for seconding that.

And, I agree about Islam being a political system. I was reading a Muslim American Society webpage yesterday, they are clear that Islam is a total system which leaves nothing untouched. To use the FARA law (blogged on here at IBA) to stop the 9 – 11 mosque, we must classify them as political. We are blinded by conflating our separation of religion and politics with all the world’s approaches to religion.

Thanks all !!

Culturist John,
www.culturism.us

Pastorius said...

Culturist John asked me: I’d like to know which are the first five cultural horrors you’d like the US to take on.


Well, let's see:

Iran
Sudan
Saudi Arabia
Afghanistan
Las Vegas (just because I fucking hate the place)

But seriously, folks, I also would opt to change China and North Korea,

BUT,

we can't do anything about them because they already have nuclear weapons

WHICH IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT LESSON, ISN'T IT?

Pastorius said...

Jeppo,
I don't agree with your definition of Imperialism.

Defining imperialism as an extension of cultural authority is a leftist ploy meaning we are too afraid to do anything about it.

jeppo said...

CJ,

I just read through some of the LGF thread that you were smeared on. The name calling and ganging up on you and anyone else deviating from strict Johnsonian orthodoxy is absolutely appalling, but sadly typical. LGF has got to be the most hate-filled website around, and there's some stiff competition for the title. I'm embarrassed that I was once a member there.

Here's a good takedown of another anti-white hatemonger, Jeffrey Imm.

I'm not trying to popularize the term "civilizationist". I just use it as shorthand to define a partisan of the West as a whole, probably like you do with "culturist". The difference between us is that I believe that race along with language and religion are the 3 pillars of culture and/or civilization.

I don't believe that any population group is less than human, nor that any group is "better" than another. The Chinese are no "better" than the Africans, but they are definitely--on average--smarter. Recognizing this obvious (to me anyway) fact can help us explain the present-day differences between the Chinese and the Africans, and can also help us predict the likely future trajectories of China and Africa.

I think it's very important that human biodiversity (HBD, the study of racial differences) becomes more widely known and accepted for two main reasons:

One, because I'm sick and tired of whites unfairly taking the blame for the failures of certain non-white groups, due to white people's supposed inherent racism. Why should America, Canada and other Western nations be tagged by liberals as systematically racist because blacks, Latinos and Native Indians among others aren't achieving to the extent that whites, Jews and Asians are? Modern Western countries are easily the least racist nations in history, and if anything they skew anti-white, with policies like affirmative action and mass Third World immigration. So I want liberals to stop lying and face reality.

Two, the sooner policy makers accept the truth of racial differences in intelligence, the sooner the myriad problems of Third World nations can be at least be partially alleviated. For example in North America iron is added to flour and iodine added to salt by law. This is because these minerals are essential for brain development in small children. Ensuring that this example is followed worldwide would at least partially raise IQs in the Third World. Another idea is channelling immigration from Asia, the Middle East and Latin America away from the West and toward the world's poorest countries in sub-Saharan Africa and Haiti. These countries presently don't have a sizable enough cognitive elite to run a modern economy. Professionals like doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, accountants, architects, etc. need an IQ above about 110 (at least) to function competently, and Africa simply doesn't have enough smart people to fill all these vital positions effectively. So importing them from countries like China and India would make a huge difference to the future of Africa. We in the West could help subsidize their immigration.

Amren is not for everyone to be sure. I think it's a good website but, unlike you, I've never commented there :)

jeppo said...

Pasto, was our imperialistic adventure in Iraq really worth it?

We've had to borrow hundreds of billions of dollars from China, Japan and the Gulf Arab states to finance our invasion and occupation, sacrificed thousands of soldiers with tens of thousands more critically wounded, established a Sharia law state where none existed before, and the whole country might still erupt in civil war the moment we leave.

Whatever the proper definition of imperialism is, it's just not in our interests anymore, if it ever was.

Pastorius said...

Jeppo,
You and I have been down the Iraq road before.

Why are you commenting here all of the sudden? We haven't heard from you in months?

jeppo said...

I'm a busy person, Pasto. I'm a regular reader of this site, but I have neither the time nor inclination to be a regular commenter here or anywhere else, especially during the week. I'll bet that 90%+ of the comments I've ever left on this site have been on the weekends.

I think the last time I commented here was when I had to set you straight about glories of soccer versus the lameness of basketball.

;)

Pastorius said...

That's right.

How funny.

Well, today you are harshing my mellow, my brotha.

Damien said...

Jeppo,

Race is a social construct and IQ Tests are culturally biased and even if they weren't only test a few aspects of intelligence. However, I don't think that the reason a lot of minorities do poorer in the U.S is just because of white racism either. Sure some white racism still does exist, but I think the number one reason, is cultural.

A few years ago an Anthropology professor of mine gave us an IQ test, that I think was designed for Polynesians by Polynesians or some other pacific Island culture. Everyone in the class scored low on the test because none of us had been raised in that part of the world. The answers to most, if not all the questions wouldn't make sense to anyone who was not raised, or at least did not live for a long time, in that culture. When I asked him why he gave us that test, he said it was to show us the danger of relaying on intelligence tests, all of which are culturally biased.

Just because, people from certian "racial groups" are not doing as well in our society, and the reason is not racism, doesn't mean its biology.

Damien said...

Jeppo,

Also, keep in mind that some cultures, just value education more than others.

jeppo said...

Damien,

Here's probably the most widely used IQ test for international comparisons. It's a multiple choice exam testing abstract reasoning using pattern recognition. No cultural bias whatsoever.

Damien said...

Jeppo,

Maybe, I don't know, but isn't Pattern recognition only one aspect of intelligence?

Unknown said...

This is Jeffrey Imm, with Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.).

Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) has four public mission areas: (1) supporting religious freedom/challenging religious supremacism, (2) promoting racial equality/defying racial supremacism, (3) supporting women's equality/challenging misogyny, and (4) supporting liberty and defying totalitarianism. We believe these four issues are inter-related and that it is essential to be consistent on these.

We support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, not just for the West, not just for Americans, not just for Christians and Jews, but for all people everywhere of all races, religions, and genders, as it was intended, after its creation on December 10, 1948 as a global statement by the world nations of "Never Again" to Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany.

We do not focus on merely Western culture or "Judeo-Christian" culture, but focus on an omni-culture of universal human rights that all people deserve in every part of the world of all religions and identity groups. This is not new or subtle. We have said it in writing, in audio, on video, on television, in public appearances, and in every way that would could communicate this message. To those who feel that this is a "new" stand for us, I am sorry, but we have been very clear on this.

Moreover, we realize that without a consistent commitment to such universal human rights for people of all religions, all genders, all races, that a reactive "anti-jihad" focus will never begin to address the root issues in the war of ideas that is the heart of any terrorist threat or global security challenges.

Unknown said...

But consistency means consistency for all four areas, not just when it is convenient, but also when there are those who seek to reframe the war of ideas as just "preserving Western values." We will never win any war of ideas on defense, and beg to be "left alone." We must continue to challenge the world to be consistent on such universal human rights everywhere, as our strongest argument against religious supremacist views and intolerance.

To those of who are content with meekly "preserving Western values," they may be willing to surrender in the war of ideas, but Responsible for Equality And Liberty will continue to press forward in seeking universal human rights for Muslim women, for Pakistani Christians, for the Copts, for the Indonesia Ahmaddiya Muslims, and for all people of every religion and identity in the REAL war of ideas against the intolerance to universal human rights that is the basis for terrorist activity.

Our universal human rights are not just for or of the West - they are for everyone, everywhere.

Regarding "European-American Culture" and white nationalists, if you don't know this is commonly used by racist groups, then let me give you a few examples:

European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO) Principles
http://www.whitecivilrights.com/?page_id=7
-- they promote" white civil rights" activist (and former KKK head) David Duke for president on their front page, including a category on "Jewish supremacists" for those Jewish-American who might mistakenly think they are part such European-American Unity and Rights Organization
http://www.whitecivilrights.com/

European Americans United
http://www.europeanamericansunited.org/home/
-- their attacks on multiculturalims includes "diagramming a white America," "diversity is our weakness," along with "new racial consciousness," etc.
-- that is when they are not running "Western Voices World News," which has such articles as "US Professor Shoots Down 'Holocaust' Icon Elie Wiesel,'" after all - according to that group "No serious criticism is ever made of Jews or Zionism."
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=9234

European American Heritage Celebration August 14 (yesterday) promoted by the "white power" group Stormfront
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t694849/
-- a Pennsylvana festival loved by people with Iron Crosses, Confederate Flags, Supreme White Alliance (SWA) tattoos, etc. but its just about "European American heritage," right?
http://eahf.org/archives/24

Unknown said...

So you mean to say it wasn't the least bit concerning when John Press is coaching people on American Renaissance?

Regarding Mr. John Press, first of all, it does not appear that many of your readers actually read what I wrote. I would encourage you to go back and do so.
http://www.realcourage.org/2010/07/brooklyn-tea-party-opposes-mosques/

You will notice that John Press is quoted from multiple media sources. This includes quotes from his own words to supporters of American Renaissance on "Is Black Culture the Problem with Education?." This includes his quotes from his own blog article (along with a screen shot for those not willing to click on it) entitled "Culturalism and Whiteness," questioning the "assumed truth of 'white privilege'", and complaining that "Whiteness studies treats all discrimination against groups as completely arbitrary, irrational and insane."

I have written to him on this subject a month ago, and explained our position quite clearly. I have also been very clear that R.E.A.L.'s mission statement is consistently against those groups, such as the "white nationalist" American Renaissance that regularly mocks black and Hispanic Americans. American Renaissance is also a group that recently planned to have a known Holocaust Denier come to speak in Washington DC, and it works closely with the Stormfront organization, led by former Ku Klux Klan leader and American Nazi Party member Don Black.

Unknown said...

Such groups regularly use the code word "European American culture" to describe their "white power" racist objectives. The fact that Mr. John Press sought to "coach" American Renaissance members on how to make their arguments more readily acceptable to the public - we have posted his comments, and have a screen shot of them that we would be glad to share - was very disturbing to us.

Regarding the comment, "Knowing John, as I do, I would be willing to bet he is not aware of their agenda." If you can see the website, you can see the agenda. It is not subtle at all.

I wonder how many black Americans in the Brooklyn Tea Party were thrilled to hear how Mr. Press is leading that group as a "European Judeo-Christian culturist," published not by our little blog, but by the New York Daily News, which has quite a bit larger readership.

A month ago, on July 14, I extended an invitation to John Press to publish both his rebuttal, along with all of the other issues on his background that I did not write about, his other comments on the BNP, his numerous citations on "white power" blogs, why groups like white nationalist promoting VDARE and "New Christendom" find his work so appealing and link to him on Twitter to follow his every word. Mr. Press never replied. The offer has been open to him for a month. John has my email address and knows how to write me.

Unknown said...

In our previous article, R.E.A.L. did not mention John Press' article "Is the BNP racist or culturist?," where he states "From what little of the BNP I know of, I have given them the benefit of the doubt and considered them culturist allies who, unfortunately, do not yet use the word. I INSTINCTIVELY do not believe the multiculturalists when they slander someone as racist."
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/93548

You can also hear John Press question this in 2009, in video himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pxKXq3jDjA

where it is obvious what he is really trying to do is coach BNP members (not unlike American Renaissance) on a direction to go.

This is the same BNP led by Nick Griffin who called the Holocaust the "Holohoax," but perhaps John Press would have us believe that it just a misunderstanding. By the way, I have seen plenty of BNP materials online with my own eyes, and anyone asking the question if they are racist, is the same person who would be asking if American Renaissance is racist.

Unknown said...

If John Press has now changed his views on the BNP, that's great and good for him. But when John Press previously defended the BNP, their racist and anti-Semitic views were well known. Pretending ignorance fools no one. John Press has the same access to Google and web search tools that we all have.

Will John Press next ask "is American Renaissance culturist or racist?" "is VDARE culturist or racist?" "is A3P culturist or racist?" "is [fill in the blank] culturist or racist?"

Such plays at ignorance by such an educated man does not fool anyone, nor can it be dismissed as merely wishful thinking. As I pointed out to John Press, when I wrote him a month ago, there is a reason why VDARE, "New Christendom," and the like find his culturist argument appealing, something that he has had a chance to rebut to me for a month and has chosen not to do.

Unknown said...

I am well-aware that the "anti-jihad community" has been increasingly infiltrated by racist groups and individuals. I have evidence, screen shots, and specifics. Last winter, racists within "anti-jihad community" provided personal information on me from my challenges to Saudi extremists to Neo-Nazi groups to try to threaten me and my wife.

So R.E.A.L. has and will continue to have a zero tolerance for those promoting racist, racialist, white nationalist, etc. views.

By the way, I am not an infidel. I am an American that seeks to defend our Constitution, and a human being that seeks to defend our universal human rights.

Regards,

Jeffrey Imm
Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.)

P.S. John Press refers to a "LGF comment" - I have no idea what an "LGF is".

Damien said...

R.E.A.L,

In John Press's defense, he said, that he didn't know what American Renaissance was at the time he posted the comment there. Maybe he should have taken the time to read some of the other things they wrote, before posting anything including even a comment on their site. Also, take some time to check out his own Culturist Blog, and try to find anything remotely racist posted by him there. I'm an anti racist as well, and even I have on a few rare occupations accidentally said things that could be interpreted as racists, especially if taken out of context, so John leaving one comment on a racist site doesn't prove he was a racist, especially when the comment itself was not racist.

Damien said...

R.E.A.L.

LGF stands for Little Green Footballs, its a blog run by Charles Johnson.

jeppo said...

Hey look, here's another takedown of anti-white hatemonger, libellous smear merchant, wannabe censor-in-chief, doctrinaire Leninist and all around not-nice guy Jeffrey Imm.

Wow, here's yet another takedown of our favourite anti-Caucasian brutalizer.

Holy smokes, apparently this honky hater runs some sort of "psychic powers" hustle as well!

Unbelievable! This cracker cussin' thought policeman sure gets around!

Then there's this and this and I'm outta here.

Don't be a hater, Jeff. Us melanin-deprived folk need love too!

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Damien said...

Jeppo,

Get a life. By the way, that one link to the article on his "psychic Powers hustle" is on a known racist website, Storm Front. Which gives me reason to doubt your other sources as well, since you think that what that one has to say about Jeffrey Imm is credible. Seriously Jeppo, if you don't want people to think you're a racist, don't use language like that, and don't link to racist or neo Nazi websites, as sources. I don't know much about those other sites you linked too, but Storm Front is a hate site and Pretty much any site that has That "White Pride World Wide Symbol" proudly displayed is a hate site. You're behavior does more to make you look like a racist than John's.

jeppo said...

Did you bother reading the story at that site, Damien? Hopefully the same story at this website won't offend your delicate sensibilities.

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Damien said...

Jeppo,

I didn't read much of it before I noticed which site it was on. The fact that it was on a racist website gave me pause as it should have given you pause. I can say for a fact that just because it was on Storm Front doesn't make it false, but you still shouldn't link to websites like that and use them as sources, unless you're writing something on the subject of racism or that organization itself. They are not reliable, and it makes it look like you either support or don't have a problem with their bigoted agenda. As for your new source, I don't know. but the fact that they made a big deal out of Imm being an opponent of the racist American Renaissance gives me pause. You also showed very poor judgment by using Storm Front in your original list of sources. Its not a matter of it offending my sensibilities.

jeppo said...

OK, I'm going to type this out r e a l l y s l o w l y for you, dude:

Jeffrey Imm shows up on this thread and leaves half a dozen lengthy comments smearing Culturist John, an IBA blogger, original thinker and author, and by all accounts a good man and great patriot.

Who is this guy Imm, you ask? Well, a quick google search reveals him to be a well-known left-wing extremist and an anti-white bigot. Also it seems that him and his wife run some sort of psychic healing scam out of their house!

THAT was the point of that link. I don't care where it came from and neither should you. All we should care about is this guy Imm's pattern of malicious smears and swindles.

Are you channeling Charles Johnson here by implying that I somehow endorse Stormfront? The story here ain't Stormfront, it's Imm's outrageous slandering of Culturist John, which is part of Imm's modus operandi as all those links clearly prove. And that's that.

Pastorius said...

Jeffrey Imm,
You wrote: Regarding "European-American Culture" and white nationalists, if you don't know this is commonly used by racist groups ...


I respond: Why should we care what words White Nationalists use?



You said: Regarding the comment, "Knowing John, as I do, I would be willing to bet he is not aware of their agenda." If you can see the website, you can see the agenda. It is not subtle at all.


I say: Yes, I see what you mean. The first time I clicked over there, I did not look at the website, but instead simply looked for John's comment.

I can not answer for why John attempts to dialogue with such people, but I believe your critique of him would do better to be limited to his words, not his supposed associations. John is not a racist, unless racists hang out with people of all races, and marry people of other races, and identify themselves as Jewish, etc. If racists do those things, then maybe John is a racist and I just didn't realize it.


Jeffrey wrote: I wonder how many black Americans in the Brooklyn Tea Party were thrilled to hear how Mr. Press is leading that group as a "European Judeo-Christian culturist," published not by our little blog, but by the New York Daily News, which has quite a bit larger readership.


I say: Do you deny that European Judeo-Christian culture was dominant in forming the backbone of American culture? How do you define culture?

I define culture as a set of ideas. I do not appreciate it when people attempt to hide very real racism behind vague ideas of culture being "bred in the bone." It is not. Culture is made up of ideas and rituals which can be expressed in words, or, in other words, IDEAS.

The American project is dominated by ideas developed by people like John Locked, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, John Adams, etc. Gradually, the ideas of Native Americans and Black Americans were introduced into the mix. And, America is better for it. America is better for having integrated people from all over the world. But, America's foundation is a European Judeo-Christian ideology.

If you think it's foundation is built on the ideas of early black American slaves, and/or on the ideas of Native Americans, then please tell me what those ideas are. If I come to understand something new, I will be happy to have learned.

Pastorius said...

Jeffrey noted that John Press wrote: "From what little of the BNP I know of, I have given them the benefit of the doubt and considered them culturist allies who, unfortunately, do not yet use the word."


I respond: I can not, at all, defend such a statement. It is very clear to me that the BNP is a racist organization.

I guess John and I disagree on that. It is true, I haven't heard, or read, John categorically state his condemnation of the BNP.

Unknown said...

Mr. Imm,

I never received your offer to publish a rebuttal. In fact, I wrote you a rebuttal – since your site doesn’t take comments - and you didn’t reply. Perhaps this is an innocent misunderstanding. I would love to debate issues on your website or any of your choosing.

However, I would ask that you look at the body of my work and perhaps even read my book. Because it seems to me that you sometimes take things out of context and use them as ad hominem attacks. For example, the fact that I once apparently made a comment on a website I have never returned to does not make involved in plans to have holocaust deniers come to Washington or associate with the KKK.
In an effort to spread my ideas I have certainly commented on 100s of blogs. To say that I’m associated then with the agendas and activities of each of them is a stretch.

I take your point that “European American Culture” has been used as code by lots of “white power” groups. I am sure you’re right about that. But does that mean that no one can ever discuss our European cultural legacy without being a NAZI? Many places teach courses entitled Western Civilization in schools. Are those white supremacist classes? While you are certainly right that many people use the our European roots for code, you must allow that many do not.

When you say that I “previously defended” the BNPs “ racist and anti-Semitic views” it is pure slander. It is baiting, it is McCarthyism and it is disgusting. Find a quote where I say I support anti-Semitics or racism. Besides my being Jewish, this entire accusation is just a slanderous farce and completely untrue. For you to say I do is egregiously irresponsible. To make horrid accusations against me with innuendo of my must having known about websites, is unfair and greatly resented.

If you read the whole article about the BNP, I am doing just what the sentence you quoted mentions. I am asking about this group of which I don’t know much. I explain the difference between racism and culturism. I say I can support them if culturist, but not if they are racist. The article clearly states that racism is stupid and dangerous and I could not support it. Again, just because someone writes about a group does not mean they support all their policies. And, an inquiry into the nature of the BNP is not defending them.

Unknown said...

With haughty indignity you ask how I could wonder if American Renaissance is racist. I didn’t even remember this posting on this website until you made it proof that I am a white supremacist. Honestly, I apologize, because I don’t know anything about them. And, were you not baiting me, you might concede that it is possible for someone to have commented on a site some time ago and not remember the site. Furthermore, if I were a racist, don’t you think I would have lots of posts there and remember them? By the way, when was that post made and how did you find it?

At any rate, we clearly disagree on international politics. I believe that diversity is real. The UNDHR is to me a western document. It calls for freedom of speech and democracy as universal rights. So I take it that you, Mr. Imm, oppose China’s sovereignty and the nature of their state. It says that freedom of religion is guaranteed. So I take it that you think Muslim nations with Sharia law need to be challenged and changed. I think UNDHR reflects a post WW II mentality where we thought history made us the world champions. But diversity exists.

If I wished to, I could call you a chauvinist. You support western values all around the world in opposition to those barbaric cultures. But I needn’t slander you as racist or imperialist or call you a vile hate monger to have a discussion. I can simply say that people of good faith disagree. As sure as my doctorate indicated enjoying discussions, I would love to come on your site and consider ideas. I do not, however, wish to come on your site and defend myself against over-the-top, insulting, and disgusting slander based on tiny scraps of partially read posts.

I thank you for your activism and look forward to civil discussions with you,

John Press
www.culturism.us

Damien said...

Jeppo,

Jeffery Imm, is certianly wrong about Culturist John, but I don't know if he lied, or was just lazy and jumped to conclusions.
Even if, he deliberately lied about Culturist John and the IBA, and is an anti white bigot as you claim, it wouldn't excuse things like using white supremacist websites attacking him as sources.

Damien said...

Jeppo,

For one thing, if someone here doesn't correct you on that, think of how it will make the IBA look.

Anonymous said...

Do not let Imm smear John and others through guilt by nebulous association.

Anonymous said...

Madeline Brooks responds to Imm's slanderous attack.

You seem determined to distort the things that I do. My article on Rauf attending a Hizb-ut Tahir conference in Indonesia in is correct: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/terror-ties-ground-zero-imam-attended-hizb-ut-tahrir-conference/December 2007. If you will kindly read the paragraph on the conference, you will see that I link to a HT website that lists that conference as occurring at that time. You missed it. Yet you fault my writing as inaccurate.

As I indicate in the present article, I have written previously on Rauf's connections to Malaysia, and I state there that the Malay posts that I used were translated for me by a native Malay speaker.

While it is true that the text shows there was some challenging of Rauf at the December 2007 conference for claiming that shariya and the American Constitution are similar, he was by and large very well accepted.

This is not the first time you have launched an ungrounded attack on me. In April 2009, I invited ACTmanhattan members to a debate. How you got this invitation is beyond me because you have not registered with me, with your actual name. Did you sneak in using a phoney name? The debate was between a white American nativist and a Pakistani American Muslim, who also is a counter-jihadist. The purpose of the debate was to air feelings that people had about membership in the counter-jihad movement, to air them and handle them with rational and scholarly discourse, so that a civil resolution might be reached as well as an intellectual discussion of what this issue might be about, with as many of its ramifications as we could manage.

What part of scholarly discussion do you not understand?

My group visited Pastor Manning and heard him speak in reasoned, professorial tones about the enormous problems confronting our country. This talk is up on YouTube for all to see and hear. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=manning+concerned+citizens&aq=f

Dr. John Press is exercising his First Amendment right to speak and he is introducing into our public discourse an important concept, "culturism." Why is that term objectionable if its opposite, "multiculturism," is not?

You have harassed me with argumentative, controlling emails both before and after the April 2009 event about what goes on in my ACTmanhattan meetings, although it was frankly none of your business. You have held yourself out to be a former FBI agent, when the truth is you were just a clerk, and for only a few years at that. We do not know why you were dismissed, or left for other reasons. Your threats to "report me to national ACT" made you look silly in the eyes of ACT. Why do you act so hatefully when your website calls for "love"?

Your unfounded attacks on me are not a productive use of my time, and I hope this will be the end of exchanges with you.

Madeline Brooks

Chapter head of ACTforAmerica.org in Manhattan

Unknown said...

I privately sent an email to Madeline Brooks when she emailed me this statement. I included additional details that I have not publicly written about. Regrettably, Madeline Brooks has made a number of misstatements that are readily documented. I do not think it is either necessary or productive to publicly state my reply at this time.

Anonymous said...

http://web.archive.org/web/20080229170552/http://www.ariele.com/

Unknown said...

Even now, you seek to ask us to suspend disbelief on your comments on the BNP, with all of this saying "I am asking about this group of which I don't know much." You have a doctorate, have written a book, are on many blogs, but somehow recognizing the BNP's racism eludes you. You genuinely expect us to believe that.

Here's another mainstream news media article (actually conservative news) - perhaps you think appearing with David Duke still makes it hard to determine if the BNP is racist.
http://bit.ly/3ngxzz

Or you can see the video of BNP with David Duke - in case you have trouble believing the conservative press as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw&

And you can see BNP's Nick Griffin more recent meeting with Nazi-led Stormfront's Nick Griffin
http://bit.ly/agyLgX

Guess where? "Griffin was pictured with Black at the American Renaissance conference in Washington DC in 2006." You know, the same American Renaissance whose supporters you are trying to persuade to persue a "culturist" argument regarding blacks in schools.

But of course, you can't determine if the BNP is "racist or culturist," right, Mr. Press? Or perhaps these are a long series of "isolated incidents" and coincidences?

Unknown said...

All of this, of course, has been on R.E.A.L.'s web site for a long time, and of course on the Internet and Google for much, much longer. You have only had to search on BNP or Nick Griffin.

I know you can find this information. The problem is you are pretending that you can't.

I am also well aware that tolerance of racism is becoming popular in some communities. There are those in the Jewish community like Lawrence Auster and unfortunately too many others who do support racist views.

Ask yourself - how long a walk is it from Auster's rejection of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to Jeppo's promotion of Stormfront and VDARE web sites to attack me as an "anti white hatemonger"?

Unknown said...

Mr. Jeppo in comments above also references the Occidental Dissent to help attack me here in the comments on this web page. I think that will give you an idea how short "that walk" really is. Let me tell you the mission of the Occidental Dissent that Mr. Jeppo has quoted in his comments here as a source as to how I am an "anti white hate monger."

Their mission is "We support the creation of a Jew-free, racially exclusive White ethnostate in North America. We also advocate the ideal of White racial and cultural preservation in Europe and throughout the Western world."

Here is the screen shot:
http://www.realcourage.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/OD-Gadsden.jpg

You get what the Occidental Dissent "culturists" want to do, right, John? Kick YOU out of the United States. Why? Because they don't think you are "white." They don't think "Jewish" culture fits into the "culturism" of the United States. That's the web sites quoted by your defender "Jeppo" here, not on some other web page, but on this IBA web blog.

Think about it. Oh and by the way, John, I stand up to such "culturists" like this who want to kick you out of the United States, even though I am white, and even though I am not Jewish, Muslim, etc. - why? Because it is the right thing to do. It is the American thing to do.

Unknown said...

I would think the idea that articles "defending you" drawing comments like the ones above from Mr. Jeppo should speak volumes. Your blog contributors should do some serious soul-searching as to why this is.

For the record, I never once called you a racist, although I am clearly troubled by the repeated associations you have with such groups, quotes of your comments, and other comments I have not published.

I think when I simply ask questions and express concerns about this, the most effective way for you to deal with them is to explain them, which I gave you the opportunity to do so a month ago.

Unfortunately, you keep seeming to dig the hole deeper and deeper.

Unknown said...

you can see BNP's Nick Griffin more recent meeting with Nazi-led Stormfront's Don Black
http://bit.ly/agyLgX

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Anonymous said...

You can see Imm's more recent collaboration with communists.

http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=311:the-punking-of-s-jared-taylor-&catid=29:antifa-news

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Damien said...

R.E.A.L.

I need to point something out to you. Jeppo is not an official blogger here at the IBA. He has not created any threads here, unless he was able to do so a long time ago, and I'm unaware of it. But than of course, once he started with his racial garbage, he wouldn't have been allowed to continue. I'm certian that most of the people who create threads here, know what Storm Front is, and those that don't, once they found out about it would never use it as a source. The IBA is not a racist site, and all the people running it, denounce racism. Please do not judge the IBA by one of the people who happens to leave comments here.

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Damien said...

R.E.A.L.

Also one the of official IBA bloggers, Pastorius, is not a supporter of the BNP, and in fact he has openly denounced them, using language not fit for children, because they are racist. The IBA is not a hate site.

Also, Culturist John has Stated that he does not share Jeppo's racist views.

Anonymous said...


I am well-aware that you are Jewish.


It's creepy how Imm seems to be targeting John for harassment based on his religion.

Unknown said...

OK, but let's take a look at the comments and references by "Jeppo" kept up by the IBA blog regarding his views on who he calls an "anti white hate monger" Jeffrey Imm, by the blog administrations:

1. Jeppo: "Hey look, here's another takedown of anti-white hatemonger, libellous smear merchant, wannabe censor-in-chief, doctrinaire Leninist and all around not-nice guy Jeffrey Imm."
-- Links to posting by Pro-Apartheid Praag in South Africa by an Apartheid activist
(By the way, I guess it must be confusing that as a long time-anti Communist, I am now a "doctrinaire Leninist".)

Unknown said...

2. Jeppo: "Wow, here's yet another takedown of our favourite anti-Caucasian brutalizer."
-- Links to posting to "Race Realist" (now there's a clever term) "Guy White" who makes comments on blacks and other minorities, but gets upset when the white nationalist make those Nazi comments, since "Guy White" is Jewish
(do you think Jeppo might not, be American, or do we all spell favorite like that?)

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Unknown said...

3. Jeppo: "Holy smokes, apparently this honky hater runs some sort of 'psychic powers' hustle as well!"
-- Links to posting on Stormfront run by former KKK-leader and American Nazi Party's Don Black
-- same posting where Jeff Hook from the National Vanguard Nazi Party (and writer for Western Voices World News white nationalist blog now) seeks to provide "background" on me to incite violence against where he believe I live.
(PS that is really responsible to leave on the IBA blog, huh? Don't worry I have the police on speed dial.)

Unknown said...

4. Jeppo: "Unbelievable! This cracker cussin' thought policeman sure gets around!"
-- Links to posting on Occidental Dissent whose mission is mission is "We support the creation of a Jew-free, racially exclusive White ethnostate in North America. We also advocate the ideal of White racial and cultural preservation in Europe and throughout the Western world."

Unknown said...

5. Jeppo: "Then there's this and this and I'm outta here."
-- Links to the Conservative Heritage Times (currently promoting David Duke for President), with links to the major "white nationalist" web sites
-- Links to posting on Occidental Dissent whose mission is mission is "We support the creation of a Jew-free, racially exclusive White ethnostate in North America. We also advocate the ideal of White racial and cultural preservation in Europe and throughout the Western world."


But he is not done - oh no...

Unknown said...

He has one more...

6. Jeppo: "Did you bother reading the story at that site, Damien? Hopefully the same story at this website won't offend your delicate sensibilities."
-- Links to Western Voices World News white nationalist blog of "European Americans United," which makes that darn mistake of including a picture of me at anti-Communist rally for China wearing a shirt "Free China Now." Gosh that must be so frustrating for those who seek to paint me as a "Leninist."
-- The Western Voices World News article is done by no other than National Vanguard Nazi Jeff Hook, who as I mentioned in 3 also writes on Stormfront.

But hey, "The IBA is not a hate site."

(This does not include the comments by that brave poster "Anonymous.")

It is not a total loss for me, however.
I now have some for more screen shots and background for my article on how the "anti-jihad" community has become so infiltrated by racists.

Pastorius said...

Jeffrey,
You said: OK, but let's take a look at the comments and references by "Jeppo" kept up by the IBA blog regarding his views on who he calls an "anti white hate monger" Jeffrey Imm


I say: I don't remove comments very often. There are a plethora of death threats directred towards me here in the arhives at IBA. Also, look at the thread that Damien provided you to see how I deal with racist comments.

Unknown said...

Oh, by the way, that list link by "Jeppo" to "Western Voices World News," that is the same group that has such articles as "US Professor Shoots Down 'Holocaust' Icon Elie Wiesel,'" after all - according to that group "No serious criticism is ever made of Jews or Zionism."
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=9234

Pastorius said...

Jeffrey,
You wrote: But hey, "The IBA is not a hate site."


I reply: Do you really think we're a hate site?

For God's sake. I can be labeled a hate site because of a commenters pov?

Unknown said...

Pastorius - let me tell you, I am the absolute LEAST of the problems in the anti-Jihad community.

What IBA should be writing about is the very obvious racist infiltration in too many areas of the anti-Jihad community.

Your problem is not human rights activists like me that seek consistency. It is the "Jeppo's" of the world, and there are not just a few, that someone at a group like IBA should be dealing with. They didn't get here from the Huffington Post.

I hope if nothing else this has opened someone's eyes on this.

Pastorius said...

Jeff,
I have written more than my fair share on racism in the anti-Jihad community.

You don't know about our website. You said so in a private email to me.

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Epaminondas said...

Considering the attention paid around here to racism in the anti jihad community, the back and forth relentlessness in the arguments, and the UTTER RUTHLESSNESS with which we have treated it ... Imm is WAY WAY out of line in remotely saying this:"What IBA should be writing about is the very obvious racist infiltration in too many areas of the anti-Jihad community."

In fact Imm is guilty of ignorant stereotyping of this community his remarks .. just search this site for Vlaams Belang and BNP Mr. Imm.

It appears to me Mr. Imm YOU have brought literal prejudice in here (having formed opinions without requisite knowledge)

Wow, you really hurt yourself in terms of credibility.


As Michael Kay would say ...

SEEEEYAH!

Unknown said...

Pastorius says: "I reply: Do you really think we're a hate site?"

R.E.A.L. does not use the type of language found on this blog, nor are we a political organization linked to the types of groups, this group links to.

Certainly, I would be really troubled if a blog against Jihad had commenters promoting Stormfront, Occidental Dissent, VDARE, etc. You should be too.

I don't want R.E.A.L. on the blog list for this blog. We obviously object to the disgraceful and rampant hate comments that are found on the SIOA Facebook site led and promoted by the groups in your blog list.

The comments on this page show that the writers have never met, don't know, and have never spent time with any Muslims. The idea that all Muslims have the same monolithic view on everything makes no logical sense. Replace the word Muslims with any other group and tell me how that sounds.

george said...

The path of Imm is to allow for continue creeping Shariah. It is about pumping up Imm as a supposed champion against hate, at the expense of any and all causes. He pals around with dissidents who have no base and have no power using them to undermine those who seek to stop large scale immigration of groups that are proving hard to integrate to the west, and who sometimes remain hostile at a disproportionate rate.

Remaining in the good graces of this tireless self-promoter and bully who gets his way through non-association like referencing comments by people not even on the blog staff also translates into NOT fighting Jihad, and certainly not having an alliance of any meaning.

You may as well pack it all up if you are going to cave to Imm. And that may very well be what he is all about, for the advancement of Imm.

Look at how he stabbed Pamela Geller in the back:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36817_The_Coast-to-Coast_Anti-Islam_Movement_Gets_Uglier

Pastorius said...

Jeffrey,

You are a humorous man.

I'm going to leave your link up, and probably make it bigger, with a photo of you as a button.

Unknown said...

I do not know this blog as Mr. Pastorius states. I was sent this blog listing by him. What I have seen just looking around makes me uncomfortable.

I guaratee if anyone commented on any blog I was an administrator comments about Stormfront, VDARE, Occidental Dissent, and the like, never mind comments from Nazis to try to spread home addresses of individuals, they would be gone in an instant.

I wouldn't want commentors on a blog that I was part of that couldn't tell if the BNP was racist.

Mr. Epaminondas, what you don't know is the volume of proof I have for my statements in the anti-jihad community. I have not yet had the time to organize and write about it, but perhaps this is teaching me that I have to make that a priority if no one else sees anything wrong.

Epaminondas said...

Obviously Mr Imm DOES NOT believe in the principle of wide open commenting and wide open discussion HAVING FAITH THAT IN THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS ... objective reality defeats all but the sick ..instead believes HIS IDEAS are simply morally superior.

But they are not.
They are censorship from fear of discussion.

If you can FIND A PROMOTION OF STORMFRONT HERE that exists or went unchallenged FIERCELY, IMM, QUOTE IT DIRECTLY AND LET'S HAVE IT OUT.

I'll be the FIRST ONE BEHIND YOU and I GUARANTEE YOU Pastorius will be right there.

george said...

The idea that all Muslims have the same monolithic view on everything makes no logical sense.

Do you hear that? Do you not understand? This is the type of person who will generalize about your blog because of a comment by someone not even connected to you, but will not allow you to combat problems associated with large-scale Muslim immigration and creeping Shariah, because to acknowledge them is to be "hateful."

"Mr. Epaminondas, what you don't know is the volume of proof I have for my statements in the anti-jihad community."

Exactly. He seeks to harass the anti-jihad community through more guilt by non-association.

Epaminondas said...

BTW did you even BOTHER to search Vlaams Belang on this blog?

BNP?

Have you seen the force of the discussions?

Have you ever been in an ARAB FORUM Mr Imm?

I've seen Stormfront, read the CCC sites, and I know these people from the mid 60's .. UP CLOSE..

YOUR BRUSH IS A MILE WIDE ON THIS ISSUE.

This site LET'S IT ALL HANG OUT and we wring it out.

THERE IS NO POLITICALLY CORRECT.

We've duked it out in here over Austrians, French rightists, EDL, BNP, Trent Lott, THE BELL CURVE, moderate islam, the Quran, Koch, Graham's remarks, across the board.

It's all here to comment and rebut.

I fail to see why any value you have put forth is more valuable, and in fact the discussion we are now having is impossible for you to have in REAL since it is ipso facto OFFENSIVE by your lights

Unknown said...

Be my guest, Mr. Pastorius. I would prefer not to have any more information on the problems of the anti-jihad community to write about. I prefer to focus on critical global issues. Obviously if I am not afraid of the Jihadists or the Nazis, I am not afraid of anti-Jihadists either.

As to George's comments regarding Pamela Geller, I implored her in April not to take on the obviously "Islamophobic" SIOA. I have been very measured in my comments regarding the SIOA's leadership, as well as its promotion of the violent EDL group. I do not and will not agree with those like SIOA who seek to promote a group like EDL that openly commits violence against the police, whose leaders are arrested on suspicion of bomb plots.

If you don't have a clue on how out of control the SIOA is, then you haven't been paying attention.

Pastorius said...

Jeffrey said: I guaratee if anyone commented on any blog I was an administrator comments about Stormfront, VDARE, Occidental Dissent, and the like, never mind comments from Nazis to try to spread home addresses of individuals, they would be gone in an instant.


I reply: So, I ought to handle things exactly the way you do? There is nothing noble in the way I handle things? You say that without knowing anything about our history.

Like I said, you are a humorous man.


Jeffrey says: Mr. Epaminondas, what you don't know is the volume of proof I have for my statements in the anti-jihad community.


I reply: I have a feeling we were on the case earlier than you, and we certainly were more at the center of it.

You are really being funny, and you don't know why.


Jeffrey says: What I have seen just looking around makes me uncomfortable.


I reply: Calm down. The people who are contributors here have treated you kindly.

Epaminondas said...

Okay Imm, where are you on the the teaching of the Stone and the Tree?

Pastorius said...

Epa said: If you can FIND A PROMOTION OF STORMFRONT HERE that exists or went unchallenged FIERCELY, IMM, QUOTE IT DIRECTLY AND LET'S HAVE IT OUT.


I reply: The truth is, no one has bothered to argue with Jeppo on this thread.

Frankly, I'm tired of arguing with Jeppo. It doesn't do any good.
And besides, he is an embarrassment. And, I'd rather just ignore him at this point.

Pastorius said...

Correction: Damien did counter Jeppo's arguments.

But, I stayed out of it. Cuz, I'm just tired of Jeppo.

Unknown said...

Epaminondas - so are you going to fiercely protest the references to Stormfront, Occidental Dissent, VDARE, etc. - all in this very blog article by commentors?

Or is one comment by "Damien" your
version of "fierce" challenge?

Perhaps you gentleman want to "let it all hang out here" as your way of promoting "free expression" here, no matter what someone says. That is your choice.

But I think the SIOA Facebook page provides a textbook example of what happens what promoting "free expression" without moderation on the Internet leads to hate, vulgarity, intolerance, and open calls for violence. The SIOA Facebook page should be lesson one for every anti-jihad group on "what not to do."

It frankly makes the BNP look like kid stuff. And that is the same SIOA led or supported by people on your blog roll. If you reject the BNP's hate, then what makes you think the SIOA's hate is somehow going to be OK?

The SIOE founders of the SIOA, whose recent Denmark march attracted Neo-Nazi supporters with a swastika banner, perfectly describe the problem in their very motto: "Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense."

What they don't get is that hate attract hate. What they don't get is that intolerance attracts intolerance.

You can't change anything by fearing or hating any identity group as a monolithic group. All you can do is reinforce extremists on the other side.

As for Responsible for Equality And Liberty, we are not afraid.

Pastorius said...

Jeffrey,
When I invited you over here, I thought you were a real human being. But now, I realize you are like some apparition that God sent to me to make fun of me.

You're not real. You're the ghost in my own personal confrontation with God.

I know that must sound completely insane, but here's the thing;

You said, "I implored Pamela Geller ..."

Hmm, you know, I had planned that when I died, when I found myself in front of my Maker, and He said to me, Pastorius, what have you done with your life?"

I was going to reply, "Well God, I implored Pamela Geller."

But, having heard you say it, now I realize how crazy it sounds, so I think I'll just take a pass on that one.

I think, instead, I'll just go back to pushing the river back up the hill.

Thanks for teaching me a lesson, Jeffrey.

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Epaminondas said...

1) I still don't see your quotes...
2) Sunlight is the best antidote to identifying those with sick inner compulsions. If SIOA's facebook is replete with ignorant bigotry then it's identification and their marginalization will ensue.
3) You have EVADED my question of the Stone and the Tree, which is among the teachings Freedom House found TYPICAL among what was taught to the young.
4)It is CLEAR you still have not read any material OUTSIDE this thread on this blog.

That is worst of all, lazy incompetence in bringing SMEARS.

Again.. it is classic prejudice, this time against a wide diversity of bloggers and posters from nearly every continent (I don't think we have any content providers from Antarctica yet) .. SMEARED because you find in the single thread you have entered something YOUR VALUES OF CENSORSHIP find objectionable.

I have not READ Jeppo's remarks on this ... you make an assertion .. I'll challenge you the same way I do my gulf arab acquaintances... quote them and make your case directly .. I don't see that.

References to VDARE (a site that makes me feel real funny .. since I believe in LEGAL immigration over a secure border along the lines of 1845-1924) DO NOT IN THEMSELVES MEAN ANY MORE than references to AEI, or the references I am sure I have made to Huffington .. in fact I am sure I have 'referenced' denial sites... but THIS is me

You claim to have a higher sensibility which gives you the elite rite to censor, yet all I have seen is that you are guilty of the same kind of claims of monolithic prejudice that you claim to find HERE.

You seem INCAPABLE of accepting the idea that WE ACCEPT that among the commenters are people who ARE objectionable.
I deal with objectionable people.

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Damien said...

R.E.A.L.

Commenters like Jeppo are an extreme aberration here. He's the only one in this whole list of comments on this thread that said, anything remotely racist, or linked to any racist websites. No one here is defending his racism. I even pointed out how bad that made him look and how people shouldn't use hate sites as sources.

As for the language Pastorius uses, yes foul language is occasionally used here, by many of the people here, including the people running this blog, and yes I have few arguments why they shouldn't have used it, but that doesn't make this a hate site, its just not a website for children. I'm into the skeptical movement as well, and there are a lot of skeptical youtubers who use really foul language but are not bigots at all. Penn and Teller use bad language, but you wouldn't call them racists or bigots, would you?

Also before I was into the anti Jihad movement, before nine eleven, I was heavily into the anti racist movement, much like you are, even more so than I am now. Let me tell you this from one anti racist to another, The IBA is not a hate site. It is not racist or anti-semetic. Please for the last time, don't demonize the IBA because of Jeppo.

Damien said...

R.E.A.L.

I also do not endorse the offensive slurs that Jeppo used.

Epaminondas said...

Well, Mr Imm ..All crossposted HERE


All crossposted HERE as well

Also cross posted here
Just for starters. There's plenty more by others as well, let alone comments

Sorry you cannot accept anything but a 'monolithic' as you put it anti jihad movement totally infiltrated with skinhead neonazi KKK CCC Stormfront VDARE racist religiously hating loons... I know how complex and difficult that is.

Sorry but the threat to our religious freedom and Constitution today comes PRIMARILY from Wahabbist and Khomeinist freaks who today in THEIR diverse beliefs comprise the ascendant form of Islam, an Islam to which those who make up laws right out of their own heads, and arrogate to themselves god's authority rather than submit to his perfect and unchangeable founding document - are those who must be destroyed.

george said...

Look how Jeffrey "I'm well aware that you are Jewish" Imm gleefully joined the SPLC in assassinating her character in a triumphant dance of triangulation.

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/08/10/prime-islam-basher-pam-geller-outdone-by-colleague/

I wonder who fed them this information. Hmm...who could it have been...not Jeffrey 'I'm well ware that you are a Jew' Imm...he would never do anything so vicious and self-prompting! NEVER!

Guy White isn't Jewish said...

Guy White isn't Jewish. But the fact that Jeffrey Imm THOUGHT he was explains why Imm went after him.

Let's take a look at the above comment from Imm:

@ Monday, August 16, 2010 8:56:00 PM Imm wrote,

"Guy White" who makes comments on blacks and other minorities, but gets upset when the white nationalist make those Nazi comments, since "Guy White" is Jewish"

In other words, he selected Guy White's blog for silencing because he was "well aware" Guy White was a Jew, even though he isn't.

But Imm is NOT an anti-semite. Not at all.

Perfectly normal people pick on non-Jews because they mistake them for Jews.