Dear Barbara Schuddeboom,
I too am in the teaching profession, and have dealt with many Muslim youths and their families. You said, “I really can't see what mrs Magan contributed to emancipate this group.” Ayaan Hirsi Ali has brought to attention human rights abuses committed against Muslim women in the name of Islam.
Husbands can beat them because Allah promotes this in the Quran. They miss essential rights such as child-custody and the right to divorce. Their testimony in court is worth only half of the testimony of a men. She misses autonomy, first her father controls her then her husband. Allah wants them to stay at home and not to came out. They are forbidden to join ceremonies such as funerals. The Quran speaks only towards man as if woman aren’t full human beings. And so on.
Women’s rights a side, certain teachings of Mohamed are a threat to us all…and by ‘us’ I mean if you value rights such as liberty, freedom of religion and thought etc. You’re lucky as a Westerner, because these rights were given to you at birth…you never had to fight for them or experience what life would be like without them. I have no grief with ordinary Muslims who don’t know much about their faith and lead a relatively normal life…My efforts are directed towards those who follow the teachings of Muhammed.
Below are a few of the many teachings of Mohammed I thought you should be aware of.
Q.3: 5
"But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have gone astray”.
Q.16: 106
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.”
One may think that the dreadful penalty mentioned here pertains to the next world. But Muhammad made sure that these people received their penalty in this world as well. See the following:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 577:
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 63, Number 260:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
And from the Partial Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4339
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle should not lawfully be shed except only for one of three reasons: a man who committed fornication after marriage, in which case he should be stoned; one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which case he should be killed or crucified or exiled from the land; or one who commits murder for which he is killed.
The following is very disturbing. Any one who read it and is not taken aback with disgust has a long way to go to become a human.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4348
"Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood".
Also:
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4349
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4359
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas(One of the four greatest authorities on Islam):
The verse "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite side or exile from the land...most merciful" was revealed about polytheists. If any of them repents before they are arrested, it does not prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed punishment, which he deserves.”
And lets not forget Muhammad’s slaughter of 900 Jews in one day...
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4390
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.
The hadith bellow further illustrates the extent of his cruelty:
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4396
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
A thief was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). He said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then he said: Cut off his hand. So his (right) hand was cut off. He was brought a second time and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then he said: Cut off his foot. So his (left) foot was cut off.
He was brought a third time and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! So he said: Cut off his hand. (So his (left) hand was cut off.) He was brought a fourth time and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah!
So he said: Cut off his foot. So his (right) foot was cut off. He was brought a fifth time and he said: Kill him. So we took him away and killed him. We then dragged him and cast him into a well and threw stones over him.
So, now do you understand why this issue is bigger than AHA's asylum situation?
4 comments:
Yasmin,
Thanks for posting this. Did you, by any chance see the comments thread over at Pickeld Politics?
Wow.
There were a whole lot of Barbara Schudenbons over there.
I hope Barbara replies to your reply.
Good job.
The thing I think so many seem to misunderstand is that the issues Hirsi Ali is dealing with are much larger than Holland. So many comments seem to go in the direction of, "But, Hirsi makes things more difficult because she is causing the Muslim community to withdraw further so as to avoid Islamophobia."
Now, it is too bad if some moderate Muslims are living in fear because of Islamophobia. But, that is a minor issue compared to the fact that in the Islamic world perhaps 25% of women are living in slavery under Sharia.
In Saudi Arabia, Iran, Nigeria, Somalia, and the Sudan, Sharia reigns. In countries where Sharia is not the law of the land, it is still a part of the government Constitutions, and it does reign as the law of a good deal of the individual households.
The laws you describe which make women 1/2 a person in the court of law, which cause women to have to stay indoors, to wear burqas, to be compelled to marriage by their fathers, to be under the control of their husbands, to be beaten by their husbans;
THESE LAWS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE
AT ALL.
They are a human rights offense, and the truth is, many of the Muslims who live in Holland currently, would want these laws to come to Europe as well.
That is the issue.
I would suggest that the Dutch press ought to do a survey of Muslims. Ask them if they want to see Sharia established as the law of the land in Europe.
They'll tell you.
I took a brief look at 'pickled politics'...I know what you mean!Pfff
'..Hirsi Ali is dealing with are much larger than Holland.'
That was why she failed as an MP in Holland. She addressed a greater cause than that which she was elected to do for her constituents. She will be better off as a lecturer/advisor on the subject of Islam. Her days as an MP were numbered which she knew. Im glad she can continue on another better suited level.
Bravo Holland for giving her a terrific platform to work from and reach superstar status. As a politician that will always go against you as its a jealous self motivated world. It was a male MP who set the cat amongst the pigeons and held Verdonk to task over Hirsi Ali. Go figure. As the saying goes as a politician your career never ends well.
I think you often forget how she came to be despite this silly scandal which most Dutch find baffling.
Sounds like you need her to address CAIR fron what I read above. Be interested to see if she manages any better on that score? This is going to take a concerted effort from many. But at least you now have someone to help you out in the US. It certainly seems CAIR have been allowed to go on unchallenged for too long.
In Holland it is a pity we lose Verdonk a much needed talented politician who was on her way to challenging immigration.
@Yasmin
You probably didn't get my point. Mrs Magan was determined to make it by all mean clear that Islam is an oppressive faith towards women and democracy and Islam couldn't live together. She tambored that she was fighting for Islam women but, hey, she didn't reach them anymore. She put together that small film Submission but the effect was zero as to what she intended.
I myself, as a pedagogisch werker, also with parents of my pupils, only felt that by her trumping up working with them got harder, more difficult. In short; she didn't help!
I agree with the posting up (Marguerite) that Magan is probably in a better place as a lecturer. Although , here also her activist temperament might get in the way of scientific correctness.
But thanks anyway for posting the quotes from the Quran and the hadith. They are common knowledge it seems to me since they have been posted and cited very often.
Are you also interested in biblical texts on the same subject? I don't know if I do have the time to edit postings this week because exams have started.
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