Tuesday, July 04, 2006

Where The Hell Are The Moderate Muslims?

Muslim Labor MP Sidiq Khan tried to blame unrest within the Muslim community on a lack of quality "engagement" between the government and Muslims.

Tony Blair said, "Bullshit," in so many words:


The government cannot alone root out extremism in Muslim communities and defeat the terrorism it creates, Prime Minister Tony Blair has said.

He hit back at claims ministers had done little to win Muslim "hearts and minds" since the 7 July London bombs.

He was speaking after Muslim Labour MP Sadiq Khan said he was disappointed with the government's engagement with the Muslim community in the year since the London bombings.

He said there was an air of despondency over the achievements of the special taskforce set up by the government after the bombings.

But Mr Blair, appearing before the Commons liaison committee of senior MPs, said he disagreed that ministers were not trying to work with the Muslim community.

Mr Blair told MPs: "If we want to defeat the extremism, we have got to defeat its ideas and we have got to address the completely false sense of grievance against the West.

"In the end, government itself cannot go and root out the extremism in these communities.

"I am probably not the person to go into the Muslim community ... It's better that we mobilise the Islamic community itself to do this.

"I know everyone always wants to blame the government for everything that is happening .... but we can't defeat this extremism through whatever a government does.

"We can only defeat it if we have people in the community who are going to stand up and not merely say 'you are wrong to kill people through terrorism... you're wrong in your view of the West, the whole sense of grievance, the ideology is wrong, is profoundly wrong'."


Tony Blair is absolutely right on this. What the hell is the government supposed to do? Go in and play footsies with the "youths"? Are they supposed to start after-school basketall leagues? Are they supposed to put a wiretap in every house? Or, are they supposed to go in and just start shooting everyone who looks like a Jihadi?

The problem is not one of a disaffected community. The problem is we are at war with Jihadis spread out around the world. This is a war. It is not a police action, and it is not an opportunity for community service.

If the Muslim community knows there are Jihadis within their midst, then it is incumbent upon them, it is their responsibility as citizens, to hand those Jihadis over to the authorities.

If they do not want to do so, then they have declared themselves to be in league with the Jihadis, and therefore, they are also at war with the West.

But, we can't believe this of the Muslims in our midst, can we? Surely there must be large numbers of normal peace-loving human beings in the Muslim community.

Supernatural Blog also notes the mystifying half-formed ghostly presence of moderate Muslims:


I have often mentioned that strengthening the moderate Muslims is one of the most important aspects to winning the global war against Islamic fundamentalism. Recently one of our readers, Barry, questioned if these moderate Muslims actually exist. He speculated that their silence was not so much an anomaly but rather a form of tacit support for the barbaric acts that are carried out in their name.

Until now there was little evidence to test this frightening theory. However, last week the Pew Research Centre released a survey of the attitude of Muslim’s around the world towards the West and terrorism. Muslims in 10 different countries (5 Muslim majority, 5 non-Muslim majority states) were polled. I have highlighted some of the more interesting findings.

Prevalence of conspiracy theories Leftists repeat ad nausea the mantra that we must address the ‘the root cause’ of Islamic terrorism. While their intention is surely to justify these heinous acts by blaming them on western militarism and economic imperialism, conservatives should nevertheless not shy away from this debate.

There is a vast amount of evidence to suggest that a culture of victimhood and an inability to accept their civilizational decline is at the core of the flock to fundamentalism. The prevalence of conspiracy theories attributing all evil to Jews and the West through the Muslim world is indicative of the extent of this phenomenon.

The Pew Poll found that in 9 out of the 10 Muslim communities surveyed a majority believe that 9/11 was NOT carried out by Arabs. In Britain only 17% believed Arabs were responsible.


(Go read the rest at Supernatural Blog.)

The moderate Muslims of the world had better start standing up, because if they don't eventually some other solutions are going to be implemented. And, they won't be pretty. Look at the history of Western Civilization to see what Western nations do when they feel they have their back up against the wall.

5 comments:

Epaminondas said...

"With all this I still don't feel the need to stand up and protest at terrorist attacks"

Then you're a part of the problem, fella.

No gas ovens, but if 1 of every 6 british muslims thinks that suicide attacks on british military bases in britain are JUSTIFIABLE, then you better separate yourself from the silence of those trying not to get noticed and raise righteous anger at what is being done to the religion, OR denounce those who ARE doing these things and be ready to be declared apostate by these salafi FREAKS.

Those are the cards YOU were dealt. You can't ignore the hand and do something else.

No free lunch.

In the end what will a society do if one of every 6 people of a group believes in bombing those charged with protecting that society? How will they tell the difference? Who are the five and who is the one?

I see barbed wire.
Societies can be mobs. All it takes is mass insecurity and some hysterical absolutists of another sort.
Speak up, for your own sake.

Anonymous said...

My denunciation is unequivocal and without reservation. I’m British to the core, but not white, I know for some people Britishness & ethnicity are mutually exclusive, I know there are people who would never accept me as British, but my message to them would be “fuck ‘em”

From my perspective on the ground, the numbers are wrong, I don’t say there aren’t extrememists, there are, but if it were to the extent indicated in these surveys we would be swimming in blood, in the UK.

I’m not sure what I should do, all my friends know where I stand, what more should I be doing?

When 7/7 occurred I did feel like getting a tee shirt printed, when I went down to London, with the message “Don’t worry I’m not a terrorist!” But I’m not going to live my life trying to accommodate other people’s sensibilities, because life is too short as it is, in addition I don’t go round blowing people up, or supporting them.

Pastorius said...

Are the two anonymous' the same person, or different people?

You both sound like my kind of people, although, my words might make you dislike me. But, I don't care.

My words are not a threat from me to you. Rather, they are a warning that history repeats itself.

Cultures do not change as rapidly as trends may indicate. This soft pacifist, PC West is not the real Western Civilization.

I do not propose gas, but there were Germans and Poles and Lithuanians who very recently considered gas to be a reasonable response to a non-existent threat.

Can you imagine what these same people would do if they were legitimately threatened?

Can you imagine, for instance, if you wake up one morning and find that a large portion of Paris has been taken out by a nuclear bomb?

What do you think the reaction of those pacifistic, PC-laden Euros would be?

If I were you, I would consider this very deeply.

I am me, a white, Christian American, and I am terrified by what I see happening in Europe.

A recent poll of Dutch people showed that two-thirds believe that Islam is incompatible with European civilization. A recent poll in Germany shows that 83 percent of Germans believe that Islam is dominated by fanaticism.

And these people haven't been hit by anything yet.

What do you think is going to happen.

Please do me a favor, if you understand what I am saying, and if you agree, please start telling your friends. Please do that. I am telling you that I am very, very worried. European history will repeat itself if moderate Muslims do not stand up and make their voices heard.

You are represented by organizations who speak in the media and give voice to the radical element among you. You are, unfortunately not represented by moderates such as yourselves.

This means that European people have come to have a very negative opinion of your religion and culture.

If that is to be repaired, moderate Muslims must form and finance major organizations to give voice to a moderate version of Islam. This voice must be brought out into the media, so the people of Europe can hear you.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Pastorius said...

Epa,
Thanks for saying what you said here.

Epaminondas said...

anon, if you both are the same person, your heart in the right place, and that's the first step...but it's not good enuf in 2006, NOT NEARLY.

Somebody blew a trumpet and now it's everyone STAND UP and be counted time, man.

Look, your conscience REELS at what happened, but THAT's not good enough.

There are thousands JUST like you, and if someone STANDS UP and points a LOUD freakin' finger, and says ...WRONG, others with take heart.

Just in case you think, 'hey that's easy for this guy to say safe in america'...I worked in the south against the KKK in the 60's.

Stand up and be counted, or you and your friends and family will be in that 5/6 looked upon with PROPER PRUDENT and hideous and disgusting suspicion by the rest of Britain, white or blue or green or black. And with the next slaughter carried out in the name of god, over an arithmetic dispute in the number of prophets, you will wonder, is the barbed wire a bombing away.

Take control.
Stand up.
Reject them.
Excoriate them
Ostracize them