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Thursday, August 20, 2009


Remember this?

Seems circumstances have changed somewhat.


"Burkinis" for non-Muslims scrapped at British pool

An update on this story. "Swimming pool's dress code for non-Muslims is scrapped," by Neil Millard for the Evening Standard, August 17:

A London council has backtracked on rules forcing swimmers to cover up
at a public pool to avoid offending Muslims.

Croydon council has removed the guidelines from its website after being
criticised for barring non-Muslims if they refused to comply with the dress

They were put in place for weekend swimming sessions for Muslims at
Thornton Heath Leisure Centre despite a general ban on wearing T-shirts in the

The council's online statement read: "During special Muslim sessions, male
costumes must cover the body from the navel to the knee and females must be
covered from the neck to the ankles and wrists."

Croydon Mosque and Islamic Centre praised the rules but said it would never
have asked for them.

Trustee Shuaib Yusaf said: "If it was designated as a Muslim session to
encourage Muslim women to come along, to that extent I could see a degree of
merit in it."
Here's a thought. A lot of new Islamic centers have appeared in the U.K. Shouldn't they take up the cause of providing Sharia-compliant recreational facilities?

Malcolm Wicks, Labour MP for Croydon North, said asking non-Muslims to dress up
to swim was not fair: "I just hope some common sense can prevail here."

That'd be nice.


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Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK - I will probably get a new one torn, but here goes:

In the old days, the Y used to have "segregated" sessions. Yes, yes, "women only" a few hours a week and "men only" a few hours a week.

Sometimes it was ages 6 to 12 only (mixed - with parents watching if desired); sometimes it was adults only (mixed swim).

What is wrong with that? I personally do not enjoy working out with lots of men because they stare. It is very uncomfortable (and I dress with baggy shirts and shorts, too.) Sorry, it is just a fact.

So I go to the gym when I know it is mostly women.

When I lived in another city, there was a woman-only workout area at my club, and it was always packed.

I don't approve of shrouds in any context but the actual grave. But why is a regularly scheduled sex-segregated swim time so unacceptable?

Wouldn't that solve this? It is not so long ago that our culture honored the desire for some modesty. I utilized the women only gym before I even knew the word "dhimmi" existed.

Although now I know modesty is the mark of a horribly oppressed individual. /!


Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:44:00 am  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Damn right, we stare.

Can't help it.


Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:00:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know - I understand biology. As the mom of an ex-boyfriend used to say "if they aren't looking, they're dead."

But do you understand the psychology behind feeling a little threatened by strangers staring while you are trying to work out? Or do laps?

Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:07:00 am  
Blogger midnight rider said...

Ro -- sex-segregation is not the issue (and I actually wouldn't be too uptight about that). But even in sex-segregation the NON-muslim women would have still been required to wear the brrrrkini. That's the issue.

My gym now has a women only workout area. Doesn't bother me. Keeps me from dropping too many plates on my thick head from not paying attention where I should :)

Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:08:00 am  
Blogger Damien said...

midnight rider,

To some this might not sound like much. But its still good news! Thanks for sharing it.

Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:16:00 am  
Blogger midnight rider said...

I certainly thought it was, Damien :)

Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:18:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The article states that they never would have asked for this concession in the first place. BS . . . Does anyone honestly believe the rule was initiated without Islamic input?

Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:52:00 am  
Anonymous revereridesagain said...

Anon, if your old "Y" was like mine, it would have been impossible to fit everyone in the pool at the same time, at least not if they actually wanted to swim.

Unlike the accommodations made for other religions in this country (Amish, etc.), with Islam each capitulation to a request for special treatment is a step forward in their campaign to replace our laws with theirs. If we had an awake leadership that would be explicitly recognized.

And yeah, they should be building their own facilities. But what's the point in that when they can both save money and advance the cultural jihad by trying to take over the kuffar's?

Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:27:00 pm  
Anonymous revereridesagain said...

Btw, Rifqa Bary's court case comes up tomorrow. Atlas has all the details and links to urge the politicians involved to do the right thing and protect this girl.

Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:37:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They will not quit. They will keep probing for weaknesses. They are resilient, patient.

Steel yourselves to push back harder and harder. Do not tire. Do not falter. Fight all efforts to "normalize" and thereby force you to tolerate this violently aggressive totalitarian ideology.

Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:03:00 pm  
Blogger Pastorius said...

You said: " do you understand the psychology behind feeling a little threatened by strangers staring while you are trying to work out? Or do laps?"

I say: Yes, I do. I'd apologize, but well, it wouldn't change my behavior.


Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:00:00 pm  
Anonymous e of usa said...

Using the pool prior to "Muslim swim hour" makes you want to chug a big-gulp and wiz in the pool.

Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:36:00 pm  

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