From Sky News:
The thing is, Marxism is an Internationalist ideology. And, if implemented, it would lead to a reduction in Nationalism, which means, for example, America getting to determine her own borders, laws, etc.The 1,500-page manifesto written by Anders Behring Breivik is a blueprint for a continent-wide revolution which reflects much of the thinking of Europe's neo-Nazis.
The document - 2083 A European Declaration Of Independence - lays out a three-stage plan leading to the overthrow of Europe's liberal democracies and replacing them with a pan-European conservative authority.
In some ways, the writings are a mirror image of those of Osama bin Laden, laying out views of why society is in crisis and how only "propaganda by deed" will inspire the masses to action.
Whereas bin Laden wanted Islam to triumph, Breivik supports a Christian Europe without large numbers of Muslims.
Breivik appears to have chosen the date 2083 because it will be the 200th anniversary of the death of Karl Marx.Breivik wearing uniform that says 'Muliticulti Traitor Hunting Permit'
Many educated neo-Nazis start from the premise that Marxism thought infected Europe, leading to a reduction in nationalism and the introduction, eventually, of liberalism and multiculturalism.
Breivik articulates all this. At a local level, he blames the ruling Labour party for introducing multiculturalism to Norway and, he believes, ruining the country. His writing is deeply anti-Islamic.
The neo-Nazi movement in Scandanavia is among the strongest in Europe.
The different groups are almost all in contact with each other, from Italy to Norway and from Britain to Russia.
Nationalism is a good thing.
Ethnic Nationalism is a bad thing.
One of the little ploys Liberals, who advocate the Internationalist agenda, use to get you to agree with them is to demonize Nationalism. Think about it, do you have anything against France, England, America, New Zealand, Australia, Japan, etc., determining what laws they will have, how they will administrate their borders, how they will work their trade agreements, etc.?
Do you object to those ideas?
No?
Well, then you are a Nationalist.
Now, if you think that England is for native English people only, so that ONLY white people may live in England, or if it is your agenda that the White Race must dominate in England, America, New Zealand, or another country, or if you think that Japan must always be Japanese, then you are an Ethnic Nationalist.
Japan is, by the way, an Ethnic Nationalist nation, as is China, Korea, Viet Nam, Taiwan, etc. They have policies which limit immigration so that their racial makeup will always dominate.
Ethnic Nationalism is an inferior ideology. It is, ultimately, sick and twisted thinking. It is a thought process which says race is more important than ideas, than individual choice, than people determining who they will be and whether to do good or evil.
Yes, my friends, Ethnic Nationalism is a whole other subject.
Nationalism is merely a nation who keeps control of their own laws.
But, I digress. The point here is Mr. Breivik wrote a 1500 page manifesto, and this is how it is perceived, and I think, largely it is being perceived rather accurately. Fjordman is an Ethnic Nationalist.
Here is a video copy of the Breivik Manifesto.
Here is an online copy of the Manifesto - 2083" A European Declaration of Independence by Anders Behring Breivik.
31 comments:
Pastorius,
This is interesting. Already, Breivik doesn't sound like what I would call a conservative, even if he called himself that. For one thing, can you imagine just how big a European continental government could get. Plus couldn't such a government, even more easily implement what he claims to be against?
Ethnic Nationalism is an inferior ideology. It is, ultimately, sick and twisted thinking. It is a thought process which says race is more important than ideas, than individual choice, than people determining who they will be and whether to do good or evil.
do you think all of that of (e.g.) the japanese?
I havent weighed in anyware yet on this terrible evil.
I noticed this phsyco said he is not a racist or ethnocentric,
basically he said he was culturally driven and here lies the political fallout for every level headed non crazy person who ever wants or wanted only one thing, for immigrants to adapt whole heartedly to western ideals.
and to stop the cultural suicide slowly asphyxiating western lands becuase of the failed beleif that immigrants can create enclaves where their native law religion and beleifs can trump the beliefs of the nation they reside within.
and control immigration until there has been reasonable assimilation.
this madman thew an accelerant on the fire that was already in existance, he didnt arise out of a vacume.
so expect things to get worse.
as noted in the blog side bar right here at iba 78% of british muslims want limits on free speech when criicizing (thier) religion
the left can use this to tar and feather average folks who are rightfully alarmed over the creeping control alien cultures are exibiting over people in the west but it doesnt change the fact that the cultural parasitism is going on.
Rumcrook,
Unfortunately you're right. But we can also point out them the absurdity of judging an entire movement based on the actions of one man.
to those who would blame this guys actions on people ringing the alarm bell I would say this,
100% of the rapes in oslo were commited by muslim men.
the left has gathered together kindling and dried wood for a fire by denying the reality that some cultures are not either modern or compatible with the native culture and yet allow free virtually unrestricted immigration of those peoples.
with all the provocations such as the statistic I sighted, is anyone surprised that more borderline personalities have not gone over the edge?
so a case can be made that this guy is a byproduct of the left, not a product of the right.
but in the end the first stage thinkers on the left own the main stream meda and will control the naritive.
Damien.
We can't judge Islam because of the action of 17.000 plus misunderstanders of Islam , but the Left will judge the right because of the actions of one deranged NEO NAZI.
Reuters:
Norway mourns victims of anti-Islam “Crusader” ,we can't mention islam or muslims when islamic terrorist blow up people but reuters has no problem turning a neo nazi in to a crusader without even knowing if they guy ever webnt to church in the last 5 years
Will,
Interestingly enough I don't even think he was a Nazi. Look what it says ten minutes and fifty seconds into the video on his manifesto. Although he was definitely a maniac, and I can easily imagine a Neo Nazi doing what he did.
my friend, you are way way way off base.
there is nothing repeat NOTHING intrinsically wrong with ethnic nationalism.
no more than there is something intrinsically wrong with the green movement BECAUSE of the unabomber.
thee is nothing intrinsically wrong with the counter-jihad because of breivik.
zionism is ethnic nationalism as are the movements for a free tibet and self rule for suth sudanese and the irish and catalonians and greek etc.
RETHINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
CUZ IT'S WAY WAY WAY OFF BASE.
UNABOMBER : GREENS :: BREIVIK : ANTI-JIAHDISTS
THE LEFTIST DOMINATED LAME-STREAM MEDIA IS USING THE HORRIFIC BREIVIK ATTACK TO SMEAR THE RIGHT-WING ALL OVER THE WORLD.
THIS IS BS. HERE'S WHY:
UNABOMBER : GREENS :: BREIVIK : ANTI-JIAHDISTS
AND
UNABOMBER : AL GORE, IPCC:: BREIVIK : GEERT WILDERS, SIOE
ECO-TERRORISM IS EVIL, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ALL GREENS ARE EVIL OR RESPONSIBLE FOR ECO-TERROR.
HOWEVER:
BINLADENISTS AND ISLAM :: MOHAMED : ISLAM
IOW:
THE UNABOMBER IS A BAD GREEN AND BREIVIK IS A BAD ANTI-JIHADIST, BUT BINLADEN IS FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE OF THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM.
IOW:
THE UNABOMBER'S MANIFESTO AND BREIVIK'S MANIFESTO ARE TWISTED PSYCHOTIC VERSIONS OF LEGITIMATE POLITICAL OUTLOOKS
BUT BINLADENIST'S MANIFESTO IS THE KORAN AND SURA.
IOW: IF BINLADEN WAS A BAD MUSLIM THEN SO WAS MOHAMED.
THINK ABOUT IT..
pasto;
u r sounding liker a postmodernist when you lumpo all ethnic nationalism together.
POSTMODERN LEFTISTS ARGUE THAT ALL RELIGIONS ARE FUNCTIONALLY AND STRUCTURALLY THE SAME AND ALL MORALS CULTURALLY DEFINED AND CULTURALLY RELATIVE.
THEY ARE WRONG.
IF MORE CHRISTIANS EMULATED JESUS, THEN THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE.
IF MORE MUSLIMS EMULATED MOHAMED, THEN THE WORLD WOULD BE A WORSE PLACE.
SADLY, MOST CHRISTIANS FALL SHORT. GLADLY, MOST MUSLIMS DO, TOO.
WHEN ASKED HOW TELL A TRUE PROPHET FROM A FALSE ONE, JESUS SAID:
"BY THEIR FRUITS SHALL YOU KNOW THEM."
JESUS WAS RIGHT.
FACT:
SOCIALISM HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN CHRISTIANITY AND SOCIALISM COMBINED.
THINK ABOUT IT.
all movements that support ethnic nationalism aren't the same.
but you are lumping them all together.
that's no different than leftist lumping all counter-jihadists together and saying we are all like breivik
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Fundamentally DISAGREE, relia.
Ultimately ... ULTIMATELY .. ethnic nationalism becomes the words which which comprise its title.
A nationality based on ethnicity.
RACISM.
That's all there is.
The defense of ethnic nationalism as defined by fjordman years ago at GoV was almost word for word what some people were eloquently telling me in Virginia in 1966.
Their cultural existence was being threatened by those who did not share their views and who were not of the body politic, or national, cultural or ethnic heritage. ALL TRUE.
I'l leave it to you to figure out who they were, and who I was and what I was doing talking to them.
Ethnic nationalism ULTIMATELY can be nothing but the racial definition of the state based on heritage.
Reliapundit,
You and I disagree with each other on this. We've been through the arguments before. We have to agree to disagree, or we will not get along.
epa and pasto;
it's not a matter of "we just disagree".
u guys are wrong and i am right.
if you are right, then zionism is wrong.
if you are right, then the free tibet movement is wrong.
then all devoluition of power from massive superstates is wrong,
the things like the ussr and the EU are right.
that's idiotic on its face.
think about it.
YOU GUYS ARE PAINTING WITH TOO BROAD A BRUSH WHEN YOU ARGUE ALL ETHNIC NATIONALISM IS BAD AND WRONG.
that's as sensible as saying all blacks are bad or all muslims arew bad or all jews are bad or all counter-jihadists are bad or all guns are bad.
THINK ABOUT IT.
BREIVIK WAS EVIL BECAUSE HE THOUGHT./FELT THAT KILLING INNOCENTS COULD ADVANCE A POSITIVE GOAL.
BREIVIK WAS NOT EVIL BECAUSE HE FAVORS AN ETHNICALLY NORWEGIAN NORWAY AND OPPOSED MULTI-CULTURALISM.
HE CAN NO MORE TARNISH ETHNIC NATIONALISM THAN THE UNABOMBER CAN TARNISH THE GREEN MOVEMENT.,
THINK ABOUT IT.
it's really dumb position you're staking out for yourself.
DUMB. as in poorly thought out.
an argument fit for a postmodern leftist.
Hitler said Jews are a race before they are a people with ideas.
The God of the Bible says that a person can become a Jew through a decision on his part.
You are, apparently, agreeing with Hitler, not God.
Israel is not an Ethnic Nationalist state. It is a state based on ideas.
If a man becomes a Jew, he can become a citizen of Israel.
The guy was a fucking tool of the Marxists, such fucking bullshit the Marxist media portraying him as a Christian, fucking utter bullshit. This is a high level example of extreme antichristian Marxist media propaganda that will be used to further attack true Christians all over the world. Such fucking bullshit, yea Jesus and the New Testament teaches to bomb and murder totally random innocent people, such fucking bullshit lies. These mother fucking Marxists are so fucking pathetic. 100 million murdered by their hands and the mother fuckers will never be satisfied until they rule the entire world in their nihilistic genocidal venom.
«However, apparently, that statistic (that 100% of rapes in Oslo were committed by Muslim men) is not true.»
how do you know?
«Israel is not an Ethnic Nationalist state. It is a state based on ideas.
If a man becomes a Jew, he can become a citizen of Israel.»
there are a lot of muslims in israel, someday they'll have to run away like they had to run from the nazis.
«Ethnic nationalism ULTIMATELY can be nothing but the racial definition of the state based on heritage.»
so?
I have just watched the video done by Breivik and was stunned!
Can someone tell me what the music is? I was mesmerized by it more than the 12 minutes of images
Yeah, that music is cool. I don't know who it is.
Hmm.
I think it is music from the soundtrack to a video game called Age of Conan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDx3frjt3O4&feature=related
Epa, I agree that Zionism is a result of Ethnic nationalism. But, I also know that I am correct in my assertion. One can choose to become a Jew, and if they have become a Jew, they can become a citizen of Israel. Israel, unlike every other nation on Earth, except America, is built on ideas.
IDEAS.
IDEAS.
I don't know why I have to argue this point with Reliapundit. I guess he believes he had ideas stuck in his mouth, like a silver spoon, as a genetic birthright.
"But, I also know that I am correct in my assertion. One can choose to become a Jew, and if they have become a Jew, they can become a citizen of Israel."
100% correct. That is PRECISELY what defines it as a refuge.
But so can almost anyone else become a citizen of Israel by the process analogous to the one HERE in the USA
Epa,
Even better.
I think Reliapundit is TRAGICALLY mistaken on this subject.
You cannot take what happened to the jews as a result of their treatment by Amalekites, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Heathens, Europeans, Muslims and say, since an incredible tiny REFUGE STATE has been created and say ethnic nationalism is a good.
why you don't put asians in that list? they attacked the middle east often.
the amalekites were all slaughtered.
It is the beating heart of that evil which resulted in the necessity of Israel.
it's the same thing with the tibetans, etc.
«Israel is not an Ethnic Nationalist state. It is a state based on ideas.
If a man becomes a Jew, he can become a citizen of Israel.»
if other countries do the same, you wouldn't agree.
Why do you assume we wouldn't agree.
Sheesh. That's quite an assumption.
What state are you talking about, and what ideas are they living by?
I would like the right to determine if Mr. Breivik's manifesto is "shocking and disgusting content" for myself. The cesurship here is rediculous. The deed is done, why deprive fair minded people, the view of the thoughts behind the deed? I resent CENSORSHIP in ANY form. And let us admit, that European governments and countries have been inundated and saturated with a Muslim Community that doesn't give a crap about Norway and it peaceful ways. The Takeover has been occurring for some time. The numbers of the "Muslim Youths" will rule, and also tell the story of Europe's Cultural Demise just as in the USA.
I have lived for a substantial part of my life in Middle Eastern and North African countries.I am now living in the Netherlands.To the people that assume that these imigrants will ever become assimilated into our western societies I can only say that you are living in a fantasy world. Check out the coffee shops here and at any time of the day when everyone else is at work you will find several coloured people standing around outside.Dope growers? These people are lured by our living standards and benefits, not by our politics.
if you think that England is for native English people only, so that ONLY white people may live in England, or if it is your agenda that the White Race must dominate in England, America, New Zealand, or another country, or if you think that Japan must always be Japanese, then you are an Ethnic Nationalist.
Japan is, by the way, an Ethnic Nationalist nation, as is China, Korea, Viet Nam, Taiwan, etc. They have policies which limit immigration so that their racial makeup will always dominate.
Ethnic Nationalism is an inferior ideology. It is, ultimately, sick and twisted thinking. It is a thought process which says race is more important than ideas, than individual choice, than people determining who they will be and whether to do good or evil.
Yes, my friends, Ethnic Nationalism is a whole other subject.
Says the pseudointellectual cultural-Marxist loser turned Jesus freak. Mr. "Pastorius" is not a Marxist, as he does not support unbridled Internationalism and defends *SOME* Nationalism. However he IS a cultural Marxist, hence his opposition to so-called "ethnic nationalism." Pastorius uses the same strawman tactic against his opponents, Left or Right, namely conflate the mainstream with the extreme. In this case, he makes no distinction between a healthy love of one's own race, ethnicity, culture, and country with the fanaticism and severe bigotry of the BNP or klansmen and skinheads.
Those Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are such dreadful "ethnic nationalists." WHAT?! How dare those racist yellow bastards seek to preserve their nations and cultures!
[Btw, Israel is the ULTIMATE "ethnic nationalist" state. I say this, not as an Israel-basher, but as a supporter. So if Pastorius had any credibility or integrity whatsoever, he would either parrot the leftist arguments against Israel, or he might shut the fuck up about "ethnic nationalism." And notwithstanding what Epa "house yid" of IBA says, the fact is that Israel has a right of return for anyone who is a Jew by birth and can easily obtain Israeli citizenship, regardless of religious status. A religious Jew who is not Jewish by birth can with a similar level of ease apply for Israeli citizenship, but what Pasto's house yid did NOT tell Reliapundit is that only certain halachic conversions are recognized as valid. Gentile converts to non-Orthodox Judaism are not even considered. Allowing ethnically Jewish atheists or converts to Christianity in, but not allowing Gentile converts to Reform Judaism in based on "IDEAS"?]
You see, Pastorius is a cultural Marxist because, as Karl Marx "turned Hegel's dialectics upside down" Pasto turned it upside down a second time, replacing Marxist dialectical materialism (and the materialism part is fine, it's the dialectical nonsense that partly undermines the intellectual foundation of Marx's thought) with neo-Hegelian idealist nonsense. All human history is a "battle of ideas." Furthermore, he shares the cultural Marxist internationalism with regards to groups of people, but stops short of supporting the traditional Marxist internationalism with regards to sovereign states.
What is Pastorius' agenda? Destroy the old world cultures and create a bland, unpalatable 1-world McWalmart culture. He wants a global Anglo-American Christian (sorry "Judeo-Christian," PUKE!) culture. In Pastorius' ideal world, the United States of America would be a unipolar imperial hegemon, English the lingua franca, and conservative Protestant Christianity the standard religion (except for Jews, hence his use of the puke-inducing term "Judeo-Christian"). Any sort of racial, ethnic, or tribal solidarity would be thoughtcrime (even if it's purely peaceful in nature), except MAYBE for Jews if we're lucky. Nation-states would be purely artifacts.
I think you've done a decent job at summing up the way I think.
However, let me clarify. I do not think history is merely a battle of ideas. There are many other forces at work.
However, I believe that, if humanity is to make progress, it will make that progress based upon the process (dialectic) of a battle of ideas.
Yes, I do believe that.
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