My dander is seriously flying today!
A bit of background before today's news (not news to me though):
ABC News
Aug 31, 2010
An Muslim soldier trying to avoid deployment to Afghanistan said his year in the Army has shown him that "no Muslim should serve in the U.S. military."
Pfc. Naser Abdo, 20, has filed for conscientious objector status, which would allow him to leave the Army without consequence, on the belief that his Muslim faith and one-time desire to serve his country can't be reconciled.
"A Muslim is not allowed to participate in an Islamicly unjust war," the Texan told ABCNews.com. "Any Muslim who knows his religion or maybe takes into account what his religion says can find out very clearly why he should not participate in the U.S. military."
I absolutely, 100% agree with him. NO MUSLIMS IN THE UNITED STATES MILITARY! They CANNOT BE TRUSTED!! Why are our enemies allowed weapons and allowed to bunk with our American soldiers? This is not the first example of a muslim "going back to his religion" and deciding to take out the enemy (US).
Fuck the PC. We need some WWII attitude happening here or else we might as well just say goodbye.
Yes, Japanese Americans were allowed to fight during WWII. But they were seriously vetted and fought under tight and controlled circumstances.
Right now, we have muslims spread out everywhere. Who knows when or where they will become a turncoat.
Army alert: AWOL Muslim soldier admits he planned an attack on Fort Hood, site of 2009 rampage.
By Associated Press
3:18 p.m. EDT, July 28, 2011
KILLEEN, Texas (AP) — An alert issued by the Army says an AWOL Muslim soldier who had weapons stashed in a motel room near Fort Hood has admitted planning an attack on the Texas post.
The email alert sent to all Army units Thursday and obtained by The Associated Press says the man arrested by Killeen police a day earlier had a large quantity of ammunition, weapons and a bomb inside a backpack.
It says he admitted under questioning to planning an attack on Fort Hood.
The FBI plans to charge Pfc. Naser Abdo (AB'-doh) with possessing bomb-making materials after gunpowder and other items were found in his nearby Killeen motel room.
Fort Hood is the same post where 13 died in 2009 in the worst mass shooting ever on a U.S. military installation.
I feel sick.
18 comments:
Since radical islam keeps fanatics looking yound, Mr Abdo could have been in his 50's and only appeared to be 20.
You can read about the science behind it in my blog yesterday.
Anyone who eats healthy food and get exersize will stay health. Should I claim that radical Christianity is the cause?
Ok, I can't wait to see who wins this one.
So in Abdo's view, then, Al-quaeda and the Taliban are Muslims in good standing...They have not "hijacked" the "religion".
What are the views of the other millions of Muslims here in the U.S.? and what's more important, how many Muslims are currently serving in the military?
Not to mention this POS knew when he enlisted what he agreed to do when he signed up. In a sane world, wouldn't he be court martialed?
"This is not the first example of a muslim "going back to his religion" and deciding to take out the enemy (US)."
Though by sheer statistics, edicts, educational institutions and various government policies, this is not the first example of a nutjob radical who has decided to go the radical route and decided to wage war on the US.
Frankly saying that Muslims cannot be trusted IS a bigoted line and also in total contrast to everything that America and the West stands for. Jefferson and Lincoln both made it clear that if one is to stand tall with their heads up high as a moral example then they must follow those examples regardless of the temptations not to.
For every one of these few Muslim American military there are how many doing a good job, as patriotic as any others, risking or sacrificing thier lives for their country? Add to that, how many disciplinary or court-martial cases run by the Advocacy-General each year, that may not be terrorism but yet is equally ugly?
I have no problem with calling for increased background and red-flag checking of Muslims in the military for any western nation, and I bet you under the current circumstances, checking for any radicalism, fundamentlism and extremist tendancies....
Quite frankly Damien, I don't care anymore if some people call me a bigot.
I have gone back and forth in my mind for 10 years about how I feel about Muslims. I have come to the conclusion that they are all predisposed to turning on us, based on the "cult" they follow. We have all heard about the nice, hard working muslim next door, who due to his belief, did some serious crazy bullshit. You know, killing his daughter(s), his wife, blowing up the twin towers, shooting numerous people, blowing himself up, shall I go on? These were so called, moderate muslims, to the world. It was a facade. The mask they are trained to wear in front of us westerners.
At least the nutcases in the ME aren't trying to "fit in" here.
We know what they are about.
I have come to the conclusion, that the only muslims I can trust are either non practicing or dead.
Those who attend mosque regularly are sitting in their listening to their imam spew hatred against the infidels and glorifying the wonders of jihad.
And they are getting away with it because those of us who are willing to stand up and call a spade a spade, are labeled bigots.
Freedom isn't free. And it could very well cost us our country.
Slow down, people
No one said EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW WAS GOING TO BE EASY
BTW Damien, the heart of the problem is that Abdo IS NOT a nutjob radical.
He ABSOLUTELY represents the philosophy, which informs Islam.
There is only ONE authority I know of which absolutely rejects this, and he is regarded as apostate.
I will tell you again ... the majority of muslims in every poll I have seen AGREE WITH HIS DESIRED RESULT.
Their consciences of many of them are REVOLTED by his proposed act, I am SURE.
But, when will we see hundreds of thousands of them in Tahrir square defending a religion of peace?
Until that result is seen worldwide.... this guy is NOT some Baruch Goldstein ....
Give me a ring when a Qaradawi calls this guy a murdering pig headed for the fire.
I suppose Damien will call Sheikh Qaradawi a radical, not representative of everyday Muslims.
And, while he is at it, he can tell us Hassan al-Banna was a radical too.
and Nasrallah
and Sheikh Yassin
and while is at that,
here are some other names ...
'Abd al-Rahman al-Banna, brother of Muslim Brotherhood founder Hasan al-Banna, went to British Mandate for Palestine and established the Muslim Brotherhood there in 1935. A local nationalist, Al-Hajj Amin al-Husseini (see article under Mohammad Amin al-Husayni), eventually appointed by the British as Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in hopes of accommodating him, was the leader of the group in Palestine.[
Hammam Saeed, head of the Muslim Brotherhood of Jordan and a close ally of the Hamas's Damascus-based leader, Khaled Meshaal, said: "Egypt's unrest will spread across the Mideast and Arabs will topple leaders allied with the United States." However, he did not specifically name Jordanian King Abdullah II
Navab Safavi, who founded Fadaian Islam, (also Fedayeen of Islam, or Fadayan-e Islam), an Iranian Islamic organization active in Iran in the 1940s and 1950s, "was highly impressed by the Muslim Brotherhood.[66] From 1945 to 1951 the Fadain assassinated several high level Iranian personalities and officials who they believed to be un-Islamic. They included anti-clerical writer Ahmad Kasravi, Premier Haj-Ali Razm-Ara, former Premier Abdul-Hussein Hazhir, and Education and Culture Minister Ahmad Zangeneh.
Here is another particularly tragic set of names that I am quite sure Damien will tell us are radicals (again, all are offshoots of Qaradawi and al-Banna)
Until the election of Hamas in Gaza, Sudan was the one country were the Brotherhood was most successful in gaining power, its members making up a large part of the government officialdom following the 1989 coup d'état by General Omar Hassan al-Bashir.
Always close to Egyptian politics, Sudan has had a Muslim Brotherhood presence since 1949. In 1945, a delegation from the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt visited Sudan and held various meetings inside the country advocating and explaining their ideology. Sudan has a long and deep history with the Muslim Brotherhood compared to many other countries. By April 1949, the first branch of the Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood organization emerged. However, simultaneously, many Sudanese students studying in Egypt were introduced to the ideology of the Brotherhood. The Muslim student groups also began organizing in the universities during the 1940s, and the Brotherhood's main support base has remained to be college educated. In order to unite them, in 1954, a conference was held, attended by various representatives from different groups that appeared to have the same ideology. The conference voted to establish a Unified Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood Organization based on the teachings of Imam Hassan Al-banna.
An offshoot of the Sudanese branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamic Charter Front grew during the 1960, with Islamic scholar Hasan al-Turabi becoming its Secretary general in 1964. The Islamic Charter Front (ICM) was renamed several times most recently being called the National Islamic Front (NIF). Turabi has been the prime architect of the NIF as a modern Islamist party. He worked within the Institutions of the government, which led to a prominent position of his organization in the country. NIF supported women's right to vote and ran women candidates. The Muslim Brotherhood/NIF's main objective in Sudan was to Islamize the society "from above" and to institutionalize the Islamic law throughout the country where they succeeded.
The Brotherhood penetrated into the ruling political organizations, the state army and security personal, the national and regional assemblies of Sudan. They also launched their own mass organizations among the youth and women such as the shabab al-binna, and raidat al-nahda, and launched educational campaigns to Islamize the communities throughout the country. At the same time, they gained control of several newly founded Islamic missionary and relief organizations to spread their ideology. The Brotherhood members took control of the newly established Islamic Banks as directors, administrators, employees and legal advisors, which became a source of power for the Brotherhood.
The Sudanese government has come under considerable criticism for its human rights policies, links to terrorist groups, and war in southern Sudan and Darfur.
See also: Darfur conflict, Second Sudanese Civil War, and Human rights in Sudan
The conservatism of at least some elements of the Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood was highlighted in an August 3, 2007 Al-Jazeera television interview of Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood leader Sheikh Sadeq Abdallah bin Al-Majed. As translated by the Israeli-based MEMRI, Bin Al-Majed told his interviewer that "the West, and the Americans in particular … are behind all the tragedies that are taking place in Darfur", as they "realized that it Darfur is full of treasures"; that "Islam does not permit a non-Muslim to rule over Muslims;" and that he had issued a fatwa prohibiting the vaccination of children, on the grounds that the vaccinations were "a conspiracy of the Jews and Freemasons".[73]
You know, I would go on and on and on.
What Damien and so many others fail to encompass is that it is the human consciences of muslims which OBJECT to what the Quran DOES demand, and it is the Islamic religious authorities (and too many national ones) who stand in opposition to that little voice in us all telling us what is right and wrong.
Until there is what I would imagine would be an incredibly bloody reformation in Islam in which the Quran is no longer regarded as the immutable word of god, which brings mans conscience and the Quran into more consonance, this all must continue on this stupid, stupid course.
I think self-supporting, self-encouraging and self-congratulatory bloggers simply pump themselves to an inflated level of half-truths. A viscous circle of gossip, half-truths and bravado. Perhaps good intended, those with agendas, hangups and chips on their shoulders add to it.
My personal faith is strong, I am commited to my Church but that does not blot away logic, reality on the ground and make-believe to somehow make me sound good (get the point?
Yes my Holy Scriputes are not their Koran but I am not blindly condemning it or their faith for the radicalisations of a few OTHER THAN the collective silence that they do and how it unfortunately lets ratbags, haters and misguided bloggers to fill in the gap they left.
We are all allowed our opinion and we should be proud of it. We have the right to espouse our beliefs here, say what we think and thus I do not begrudge you the right to think Islam is evil or whatever, but I reserve my right to tell some of you that I think your wrong, your evidence is limited and that some of you are bigots.
Qaradawi is a cleric, imagine if the world was run by clerics of any faith? I cannot count in my youth how many Church surmons by a priest who told us we should live like this or that and in theological terms might sound great but in reality does not happen. Yes we in the west with the strict line between state and church as well as literacy levels meant that the Churches have had to either improve their message the people or be forgotten.
The reality about radicalism and all your constant examples that still represent a drop in a more cleaner bucket than you imagine is the undeniable statistic of what the bulk of the Muslim world's population do and think. Has one Muslim country listened and accounced support for one of these radicals or cleric's fatwas (except for Iran of course)? No. Has one country ever declared Jihad? No and that includes not Iran. If the radicals decare the burka and face covering to be the only way, why does Iran forbid it?
The stark reality is that the average Muslim in the world is probably a goat-farming grandmother in the Atlas Mountains or a guy cutting his rice in Java and if you started pushing your message that Islam demands this or that, they would laugh at you and get back to work.
I suspect you will follow Robert Spencer's tactic at this point and say that unless a Muslim supports the radical salafist point of view then they must be in fact a bad Muslim.
LOL Damien. As if a country would come right out and admit they support jihad. Come on, it is not to their advantage to come out in public and tell the truth. But hey, the quran has that covered too. Wage jihad in any manner that works. Lie, cheat, even do a couple of small insignificant, meaningless deeds for the infidel. It will all help you get where you need to be.
It is a well known fact that ME countries are covertly supporting the jihad.
Remember the facade I spoke about? Countries do it too Damien. And obviously it's working.
Has a lot of y'all fooled.
I'm not so much worried about the goat-farming grandmother in the Atlas Mountains or a guy cutting his rice in Java. But then again, maybe I should be. Who knows?
Jihad has been waged by a number of individuals that would shock the hell outa ya. Besides, the terrorist groups are known to strap bombs on children to kill the infidel.
My point is, the days of blindly trusting any muslim who shows up at a mosque regularly, are over.
Just because they say the "right" things and "look" a certain way, doesn't mean they won't blow your ass up.
So called moderate today...
Could be he/she is following the quran to the letter. And that includes lying in your face to make you trust him/her.
you read to many blogs.
@Damien Charles QC said...
Are you devoid of historical knowledge?
I guess that's what happens when you listen and digest too much MSM schlock.
Damien, the DROP in your bucket, are both the Canonical leaders of Islam (both disciplines) and the national leaders.
It is THEY who we read far more than Spencer and Wilders, just as it was my arab friends overseas in the Gulf who kindly and patiently explained to me the nature of what we western liberals face. More kindly than I ever could have imagined, actually.
You accuse us of reading 'hate blog' after 'hate blog' to pump ourselves up, but I am afraid the delusion lies elsewhere.
I no longer read ANY of the blogs you define that way. That is your assumption, not a fact.
The fact is that the Quran is a racist document. PERIOD. The Canonical Leaders of Islam made their bones PROVING IT (Tantawi and the others .. Qaradawi is a TYPICAL LEADER).
What I believe about what the Quran says comes from THAT KIND OF SOURCE, not Spenser.
Here, enjoy
For some odd reason, I can't find it on Amamzon.
Or maybe this ....
"The Qur'an describes the Jews with their own particular degenerate characteristics, i.e., killing the prophets of Allah, corrupting His words by putting them in the wrong places, consuming the people's wealth frivolously, refusing to distance themselves from the evil they do, and other ugly characteristics caused by their deep-rooted lasciviousness … only a minority of the Jews keep their word … [But] not all Jews are the same. The good ones become Muslims, the bad ones do not."
Tantawi from 700+ page "Jews in the Qur'an and the Hadith"
The problem is that BOOKS can and have been filled with the factual interpretations of the leaders of Islam about what the Quran is.
Those who are different as leaders are EXCEPTIONAL
I accept what they say. I have enough RESPECT FOR THEM AND THEIR BELIEFS to do so.
The question is, the individual moral compasses of muslims you know, AS I DO (ANECDOTAL, btw) who wish it were not so being besides the point, why can't you?
The only leader I can think of who has spoken out in opposition (and just to the NATIONAL EFFORTS) is the Naqshbandi leader, Sheikh Haqqani, who warned congress over and over about the Wahabbis in the 1990's.
Your criticisms of THIS GROUP are biased, and so short of information it qualifies as, well ....
Jeopardy answer:
1.an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
Can you identify the Jeopardy Question?
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