THE QURAN BURNING - HADITH INCLUDES AN ACOUNT OF A REVERED MUSLIM CALIPH BURNING THE QURAN

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I don’t get why Muslims are up in arms about the planned/postponed Quran burning event. First, I don’t get what kind of stupid god they believe in who gets offended every two seconds. And second, wasn’t it their own caliph that started the practice of burning Qurans? Why aren’t they burning his grave down or attacking Saudi Arabia where he’s buried?

One of the authoritative Sunni hadiths from Sahih Bukhari enlightens us thus:

“Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)” Sahih Bukhari.


Now, it is well known that Muslims are hypocrites. This is just another example of hypocrisy on their part. As noted on this blog before and elsewhere, they are alright with their governments burning the Holy Bible and other books of non Islamic religious nature but when it comes to the Quran they just want to kill anyone who even thought about touching it with hands deemed unclean by Muslims.
What the above mentioned hadith shows is that burning a Quran, which is considered by Muslims of today as blasphemous, was employed as state policy by their dear caliph. He started it, go deal with him first!

I expect this from Muslims anyway. Yes, they will probably go out on the streets and endanger the lives of non Muslims all over and yes, burning a Quran would hurt their sensibilities…blah, blah, blah. What I don’t get is, where the hell’s the media when not just Bibles but Christians, human beings, are locked inside churches and then churches set on fire? Where are these so called “loving” Christians when in Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Egypt etc their Christian brothers and sisters are burned alive every day? Where is their love when their brethren are calling for help and they turn a blind eye?

You know, the Quran burning event is probably a stupid little idea but at the end of the day, it is what the people of that church know how to stand up to the idiocy of Islam. We can sit here and criticize that church as bigots and a cult but at least they are doing something…unlike millions upon millions of other Christians/infidels that just sit on their sorry butts and switch the channel whenever the news, if ever reported, comes on about Christians being killed.

I am neither in favor of nor against the Quran burning event. I am in favor of that church’s right to express what they want and I am also in favor of us not bending over backwards for the barbarians that call themselves Muslims. If I had to pick a side today, I would definitely back the church against Muslims. And if that comes at a cost, well I am ready to pay it.

And finally my message to General Petraeus: Instead of being worried about your enemy getting ticked off, you might want to let your soldiers patrol the streets with their rifles loaded and maybe, just maybe, let them shoot the bastards that are trying to kill them and grow a pair of balls and order them to shoot to kill!

Everybody Burn The Koran

The FBI  use the authority of their offices to intimidate Pastor Jones into calling off his Koran bonfire.

That is an assault on Free Speech by our own Federal Government.

They are using the authority of their office to "enforce" a law which does not exist.

While I believe book-burning is a bad idea (because I believe the written word has a sacred quality in our culture), I also believe that burning Holy Books, Flags, or any other Totemic object is protected Free Speech.

The fact that the FBI is more concerned with appeasing Muslims than they are with enforcing real laws and Constitutional Rights, has, I believe, made it imperative that we stand up for our rights.

I must say, I also agree with what Always on Watch wrote here this morning:

The media go on and on about the message that a Koran burning sends. What message does being afraid to burn a Koran send?

So, I am heartened to see that others have taken up the mantle and will proceed to protect our Free Speech Rights by burning copies of the Koran on the steps of the Wyoming State Capitol on September 11th.

Perhpas we should all follow suit.

Tennessee preacher to burn Quran...

Topeka, Kansas church vows burning...

Protester plans to burn on Wyoming's Capitol steps...

Bonfire idea SPREADS past FL and Westboro morons

Wyoming Tribune Eagle

CHEYENNE -- The founder of the Wyoming Tyranny Response Team plans to burn a copy of the Quran on the steps of the State Capitol on Saturday.

Duncan Philp said he will protest the location of a proposed Islamic Center near Ground Zero in New York City. He also will protest President Barack Obama's support for the location.

"I feel Obama is being disingenuous when he pretends he supports religious liberties," Philp said. "(The Muslims) are not building that mosque out of love for my culture or love of the victims of 9-11 but for political reasons."

Meanwhile, members of Unitarian Universalist Church also plan to walk from their church to the Capitol on Saturday.

They will gather in response to a Florida pastor who plans to burn more than 200 copies of the Quran, said the Rev. Dana Lightsey of the church.

I think we can safely say this germ has escaped confinement.

Let's see if it's possible for what has been done to how many thousands of Bibles, and Torahs without worldwide conflagration to avoid what appears to be coming down the chute ... islamists without self control, chomping for another reason to brandish their gintsu's

The Bigger Story

Just my two cents' worth about the on-again, off-again, maybe-on-again burning of the Koran at the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida...

As I see it, bigger story here is not whether or not Dove Church is going to burn the Koran on September 11; rather, the bigger story is the linking of the Florida Koran-burning with the location of the Ground Zero Mosque.

Haven't Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller repeatedly said that the two protests are not linked? But the media have been trying to link the two stories ever since they started covering the possibility of that Koran-burning.

And now Terry Jones, the pastor of that church in Florida, has linked the two protests forever.

From this source:

Jones announced this afternoon he had decided to call off the Quran burning and would instead fly to New York on Saturday to meet with the Muslim cleric who wants to build an Islamic center a few blocks from the site of the former World Trade Center.

"Our thought was the American people do not as a whole want the mosque at ground zero. If they were willing to cancel the mosque at the ground zero location or if they were willing to move that location, we would consider that a sign from God," Jones told reporters today.

How much will the following be covered so that the average American knows?

Jones, the author of a book called "Islam Is of the Devil," had never previously cited the New York Islamic center as a reason for Quran burning.

And what damage will be done to the September 11 protest organized by Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller?

A commenter at Jihad Watch made the following observation:

Eleanor | September 9, 2010 4:12 PM | Reply

To my ear at least, it sounds as if FOX is saying, in effect, that Jones is totally nuts (won't even show his image), Rauf is sane and CREDIBLE...

FBI Pays A Visit To Pastor Jones To Intimidate Him Into Canceling Koran Burning

This is exactly what the government is NOT supposed to do in the face of the 1st Amendment.


Sure, I know the First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law ..." but the FBI is a Federal Agency in charge of enforcing the law.


In this case, they are showing up, under color of authority, and pseudo-enforcing a law which does not exist.


It is well within Pastor Jones' right to burn the Koran.


So, why did the FBI show up?


This is the way it used to be done in the Soviet Union.

Disgusting:

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — FBI agents visited Thursday with a minister of a small Florida church that plans to burn the Quran on Sept. 11, as public safety became a paramount concern and President Barack Obama added his voice to the chorus of opposition.

The FBI spent about a half hour talking with Jones, but church spokesman Wayne Sapp would not disclose what they discussed. Agents leaving the church wouldn't talk to an Associated Press reporter.

Jones said earlier this week that agents have visited him twice since he announced his plans in July, the last visit about two weeks ago.

 Let us be clear: Our government is overstepping it's authority here. They are harrasing Pastor Jones. 


They are violating his First Amendment Right to Free Speech. They are violating his Human Rights.


This could be taken up with the Suprme Court, and the Hague.


Pastor Jones is not hurting anyone, and he is not threatening to hurt anyone.


The trumped-up "security concerns" have nothing to do with the Pastor.


The :"security concern" has everything to do with the fact that we can not trust Muslims to act like law-abiding citizens. Instead, they will become murderous.


But, that is not the Pastor's fault.


It is the fault of Muslims, and of their sick, twisted religion, Islam.


Nuff said.

A Little Something About Koran-Burning

From Planck's Constant's essay "Muslims Burn Bibles Routinely and Often":

Christians and Jews are asked, "How would you like it if Muslims burned the Bible?" Well, here's the problem: we haven't burned any Qurans for hundreds of years. But in that same period Muslims have burned millions of bibles. They still do it every day.

Anyone hear of any Islamic leaders, heads of state or imams, calling for a stop to burning Bibles?

Anyone?

That Spinning Sound You Hear Is General Patton

This just makes my hair hurt. Since when does a general of the US military, in the field, express concern about protests against the ENEMY that are being conducted at home?

I don't care whether Terry Jones' "burn a Koran Day" idea is a "good" one or not. He and his church are not committing censorship or preventing anyone from obtaining their very own copy of the Krayon. Assuming they bought those Korans and didn't cat-burgle a mosque, this protest of theirs falls under acts of free speech, period. (It doesn't get anywhere near "yelling fire in a crowded theater" because there is no rational reason for anyone to react to it by rioting and killing.)

This is so infuriating that if I weren't going to be in NYC at the GZ protest -- NOT holding a sign for some reason -- I'd be down there in Florida holding Terry Jones' coat for him.

If some moron decided to stage a "Burn Atlas Shrugged Day" I'd say meh, the more fool he, and ignore him. The fact that Muslims are hysterical immature savages with no concept of individual rights is no concern of General Petraeus. His job is to KILL THE TALIBAN BASTARDS, not to worry about whether their feelings are hurt.

And while we're at it, General, would you like us to destroy all remaining prints of those old Donald Duck anti-Nazi WWII cartoons? I suppose it might have been feared that such "offensive" expressions would "endanger" General Patton's Third Army. Care to guess what General Patton would have had to say about that?

Petraeus Warns Against Church's Koran Burning
Published September 06, 2010
FoxNews.com

A Florida church's plan to burn Korans on Sept. 11 isn't doing the troops in Afghanistan any favors, Gen. David Petraeus said Monday.

Hundreds of Afghans protested Monday in Kabul over the decision by the Gainesville, Fla.-based Dove World Outreach Center's decision to burn copies of what Muslims consider the word of God.

Petraeus said he's concerned that the protests could spread across the country.

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan. It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community," Petraeus said in a statement provided to Fox News.

Though Dove World Outreach Center has been denied a permit to hold a bonfire, the Koran burning is still scheduled to proceed on Saturday. The burning -- set to mark nine years since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks -- follows a campaign last year in which the church distributed T-shirts that said "Islam is of the Devil."

In a blog on the church's website, writer Fran Ingram offered the groups’ reasoning for burning the Koran, arguing that it is not God's word and denies Jesus is the son of God, that Islam is totalitarian and that the religion teaches idolatry, paganism, rites and rituals.

"We are using this act to warn about the teaching and ideology of Islam, which we do hate as it is hateful. We do not hate any people, however. We love, as God loves, all the people in the world and we want them to come to a knowledge of the truth," the blog reads.

Other writings by the same blogger include headlines like "Islam is Cursed by Cursing Israel" and "The Koran: A Sorcerer's Scroll."

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul issued a statement condemning the church's plans, saying Washington was "deeply concerned about deliberate attempts to offend members of religious or ethnic groups."

But outside the U.S. Embassy, where as many as 500 protestors chanted "Long live Islam" and "Death to America," demonstrators argued that the church isn't acting of its own will.

"We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decision of the president and the entire United States," said Abdul Shakoor, an 18-year-old high school student who said he joined the protest after hearing neighborhood gossip about the Koran burning. [Get your sorry ass into a Taliban gang, Abdul, the Marines need you for target practice.]

Burning a Koran is considered by Muslims among the most offensive actions taken against Islam. In 2005, 15 people died and scores were wounded in riots in Afghanistan sparked by a story in Newsweek magazine alleging that interrogators at the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay placed copies of the Koran in washrooms and had flushed one down the toilet to get inmates to talk. [Can't make up their effing minds, can they? Which is it that's offensive, burning them or tossing them in the toilet to put them out?] Newsweek later retracted the story.

Fox News' Mike Emanuel and The Associated Press contributed to this report.