A friend of mine and I have been having an email conversation about the "Migrant crisis" in Europe.
Friend:
To me the only real question is what will happen as a result. My main expectation is an increase in the formation of insular ghettoes, and more reactionary responses. To be honest I'm a bit surprised there haven't been reactionary responses (white-power/skinhead gangs, etc) across Europe already. I think you and I were expecting such a phenomenon 10 years ago. Or maybe there are and have been and we just aren't told about them in mainstream media because that wouldn't serve the agenda. ..
None of it is what I would design if I were in charge of European policy, of course, but I'm not. As things stand it kind of feels like, if Europe takes these people, that's a safety valve for us, because it means we won't have to.
... the fact that they're mostly young men; that can be explained away by just saying, Well of course, that's who can be mobile; has fewer attachments so they more easily escape war zones.
The idea that it's a kind of invasion-force..ehh, yes and no.
This isn't really how conquering looks in my opinion, a nation shattering and scattering itself amid civil wars killing themselves by the tens of thousands?
Ultimately it'll be a question of which culture wins the mind-space, and it seems to me that a bunch of twentysomething Syrians who didn't want to fight for Assad (or ISIS) might just as easily get addicted to Western pop culture as to radical shiekhs.
At the very least, it's a split...
Me:
It doesn't seem to me there is much precedent for Muslim refugees getting addicted to Euro pop culture
Euro porn culture and inevitable rape gangs, yes,
but euro pop culture and integration, NO.
By the way, are you aware that the population of the city of Rotherham England is about 250,000
and out of that
1400 girls were raped (almost all as underage children)?
I believe all of them were white girls.
Given the fact that we know English people are breeding at a less than replacement rate, we can surmise this means a HUGE PERCENTAGE of the actual existing teenage white girls in Rotherham were raped.
THAT is what you can expect out of this migration, in my opinion.
Friend:
No argument with you, just to be clear.
Rotherham is the sort of thing I'd have expected to have led to some sort of Euro nationalist
backlash by now. But it really hasn't, has it? Did I miss it?
The dynamic that seems likely is - again - ghettoization. Balkanization, to use perhaps a more apt term. Enclaves of 'immigrations' (and descendents), who live mostly separate and apart from the native population, which engages in 'white flight' from them to the extent they can.
It sounds like perhaps Rotherham was a case where the natives weren't as able to 'white-flight' themselves away from the foreigners, and, well, that was the result. So this dynamic punishes natives at the bottom of the economic pyramid, disproportionately.
This will increase 'economic inequality'...
We had some of the same dynamics in the older cores of big cities, whites who had lived in areas that ended up with an influx of blacks, and getting victimized as a result (though usually not nearly as egregious as Rotherham, I think). This was sort of a 1960s-70s story, the story of "Death Wish".
Once the white-flight had completed however, by the 80s-90s, it just became that "inner city" was a code-word for "black", and the big crime problem among blacks was mostly them victimizing each other (gang warfare, Crips v Bloods, the stuff that 'The Wire' guy keeps writing about Baltimore).
By then most white-flighters were safely away so didn't have to notice, except on TV and in movies...like 'The Wire'.
That's sort of what I see as a best-case scenario for this Muslim immigration into Europe: an uneasy peace/truce, because the people are (mostly) separated.
What do you think?
It's something to watch either way, as a precursor, because we're going to experience a similar dynamic sooner or later.
I'm aware there are big Muslim enclaves in some parts of the country - I think there's a part of Minnesota with a lot of Somalis for some reason, for example. And Virginia often comes up as a place with radicalized Middle Easterners.
We'll see.
I know it's retrograde to say but I think 'separation' can help...
Me:
I think there is little backlash. (That does not mean the common people are not aware of the problem, however.)
The only "backlash" there has been has been small groups of nationalists like Britain First, the English Defense League and some German and Austrian groups.
Marine Le Pen has gained some traction in France.
Well, that's interesting, your idea that "separation can help".
And I know you're saying that's the best-case scenario. But, I don't see any evidence of gradual integration in the Muslim community; the opposite really.
So I think this dynamic would take over:
The Five Stages of Islam
Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory Islam to fascist Islam. The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher bracket. The demographics change but the story is the same. First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam. Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.
Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead
Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).
Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities, removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs near Mosques).
Stage 2. Establish Outposts
Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:
The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.
Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.
Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).
First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any criticism of Islam results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam. In France which may be over the 10% range, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Stage 4. Establish Regional Control.
Population density 20% - 50% (Europe 2020?).
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.
Stage 5. Total Control, Brutal Suppression, and Dhimmitude.
Population density > 50%.
Unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels. As Muslim population levels increase and all infidels cower in submission there will peace at last. Dar al-Islam is achieved and everyone lives under Sharia and the Koran is the only word.
