Why, after the obvious failing process (both of his resistance AND the Obamacare roll-out)did Cruz persist in betting all, including the Republican majority in the House on DEFUNDING Obamacare by threatening default?
Given what Dershowitz has said about Cruz I find it hard to believe he did not realize in terms of head counts that he did not realize this effort could not succeed.
What MIGHT have succeeded was to insist Obamacare encompass Congress and it’s staff just the the people faced the mandated action.
What might have succeeded was to make sign up voluntary for a year while HHS got it’s cloud in order.
What might have succeeded was a discussion/filibuster about interest in the debt and what we could do with that money instead of paying China.
What might have succeeded was the testimony of thousands in trying to sign up.
Instead Mr. Cruz set up the House by misleading them about the votes he had in his pocket (by Dems) in the Senate.
But he and the Republicans have second chance.
What is going on today, right now, is a vote on POSTPONING this fiasco in the making.
Let Obamacare go forward with a few adjustments because this horror show will continue. Delaware announced to day they FINALLY sold a policy. It LITERALLY caused a celebration. That’s not the fight for today. That’s a fight when there is a republican president, and both houses.
We are going to have one hell of a fight before the next deadline. This nation is divided thoroughly if not polarized as debt interest goes past $220 billion and Obamacare adds VASTLY MORE than anyone imagined.
No one on the republican side can let ANY of the democrats get away with any of the war rhetoric they have been spewing.
Extortionist, Kidnappers, suicide belt wearers and kidnapper claims, especially when modeled by Obama must be met with Bolshevik propaganda, KGB/NKVD, Stalinesque midnight visit claims in return.
EVERY SINGLE TIME. The aim should be to give pause. But if it does not, then all should be aware why the response is what it is.
Democrats should not even be warned.
Nothing was accomplished this week except the perception that the president and dems have won something.
Until this comes up again in 60 days.
Don’t believe me?
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No I don't believe you. Cruz chose to stand on principles and not play the stupid DC perpetual compromise game. He is therefore heroic, and the powerful effects of his stand will be felt in the years to come as it becomes more and more evident what an abysmal failure Husseincare actually is. I feel something very big is now brewing and that very soon the usurper will crash and burn.
Delaware announced to day they FINALLY sold a policy. It LITERALLY caused a celebration.
For pity's sake!
Madness has overtaken our nation. Sheesh.
Love to believe you. But I just can't
Cruz is pandering to the electorate that put him into office. He's been saying that all along. Doing what he was elected to do.
Defunding Obamacare as THE ISSUE to stand on was both a tactical and strategic error, and disingenuous to House Repubs who he TOLD he had the votes from conservative and centrist dems .. to sustain their efforts.
Obamacare IS failing right in front of our eyes, and people have yet to feel the pricing.
IDIOTIC.
DEBT, runaway govt, loss of privacy because of it by govt insertion in every way..those are issues to die on.
ACA?
Cruz is a solipsoid grand stander. HE won't get my vote in a primary and I will not trust him. He SCREWED house repubs and that's why people like Peter King went BONKERS
Didn't Cruz actually tell the House he didn't have enough votes in the Senate but that the House should "stand strong"?
Nicoenarg
Yes, Nicoenarg, I believe you are correct. Besides, what is all this nonsense about telling someone "you have the votes" before the vote is ever taken? That's bass ackwards, cart-before-the-horse counting your chickens before they're hatched, or shady backroom deal politics. The whole point of Cruz's epic and wonderful filibuster was to try to GET those votes, and to show his voting base, in no uncertain terms, that he was a different kind of politician - one with actual strength of character. I would say he succeeded magnificently in doing so and advancing The Tea Party ideals. He fought the good fight and only came up short because the ENEMY was absolutely forced to go all out and shamelessly parade their spiteful and utterly mean spirited true colors. You, Epaminondas, are making the tactical and strategic error in placing so much importance in your "beliefs" and not uplifting a man who may well be America's last hope for a real leader that can turn this mess around.
I am not telling Cruz to do nothing if he doesn't have the votes, I am telling him to NOT LIE to other members that he does. WHich is PRECISELY what he told house repubs.
If a grandstanding liar to his OWN REPUBLICAN HOUSE CAUCUS is the last hope, it's done
'Didn't Cruz actually tell the House he didn't have enough votes in the Senate but that the House should "stand strong'
NO he told the house repubs if THEY would vote out hte bill they did, he had enough conservative dems achieve something.
BLATANT
This is what I was referring to:
“Harry Reid will no doubt try to strip the defund language from the continuing resolution, and right now he likely has the votes to do so,” Cruz said. “At that point, House Republicans must stand firm, hold their ground, and continue to listen to the American people.”
AND
“When I say the House needs to stand strong, it’s because the fight will be won or lost in the House of Representatives,” he says. “I can’t win this fight, and Mike Lee can’t win this fight,” but he believes the House GOP can.
Here's the article:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359007/ted-cruz-punches-back-robert-costa
Nicoenarg
That was AFTER he told the house he had the votes, that's why he said that because there was total disgust by 90 (!) republicans and he was trying to shore up a position that was impossible.
He had told the congressmen and women, that he HAD conservative dem senators.
They then supported his actions in the caucus, and it then became OBVIOUS he was lying.
USA TODAY:
Rep. Devin Nunes, a conservative Republican from California's Central Valley, on Monday accused freshman GOP Sen. Ted Cruz of misleading House Republicans that they could dismantle the Democratic health care-reform law known as Obamacare by forcing a government shutdown.
Nunes, said the strategy pursued by Cruz, a Texas freshman, and to a lesser extent Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, is "based on a false premise" because Republicans can't get two-thirds votes in the House and the Senate to override President Barack Obama's veto when he rejects any bill that ends his signature law.
Just one of several such stories
On the final vote you had some VERY conservative people voting aye. Bachus, Cantor, McCarthy, Adrian Smith, Buck McKeon voted aye. Among others. These are guys with HIGH conservative ratings. Ryan voted nay.
Cruz simply picked the wrong issue, esp in view of the fiasco it is turning into. and then misled a lot of key people about the support he had in the senate.
Ryan or Scott Walker who accomplished ALL the tea party could fantasize about - for me at this point. Daniels is ok. HE prolly won't run though
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