Saturday, October 20, 2007

CounterJihad Brussels 2007

From the press release:
The first day of the Counterjihad Brussels 2007 conference was held in the European Parliament, and the second day of working groups was held in the Flemish Parliament....
Check out Pamela Geller's report, which includes Robert Spencer's speech on video and other resources.


Pastorius said...

Mark my words, as long as this movement is defined as a "counter-Jihad" movement, and not as a pro-freedom, or pro-Western democracy movement, it will be a failure.

The influence of Robert Spencer also does not bode well. He is a supremely negative person. While I respect the likes of Spencer, Steyn, and Fjordman, all three of them have basically told us we are on an inveitable course towards destruction.

That is not how one wins.

That is not how Abraham Lincoln won the Civil War. And, it is not how Winston Churchill won WWII.

Always On Watch said...

I understand what you're saying about defeatism. However, at this point in the struggle (and we're early on with regard to the West's understanding the significance of the threat), division amongst us is problematic. Political change is absolutely necessary for victory.

I don't see Spencer as negative as you do. I DO see him as having been immersed in watching the oncoming train-wreck for 20 years. In my observation, the longer the observer, the more negative he feels.

I watched the video of Spencer's speech in Brussels and didn't feel that it was negative to the core.

We are still milling around a lot in this movement, whatever you want to call it. We're doing a lot of preaching to the choir. How do we get beyond those problems? Is there anything we can DO to get beyond the problems, or are we at the mercy of another spectacular attack in that such an attack is what it will take for most Westerners to understand the gravity of the situation? I think about that a lot.

I'd also point out that the Brussels summit had a second day about which we don't know the details. I have to hope for that second day being positive.

Mark said...

I think there is a lot of truth in what you say, Always, that we are preaching to the choir. In many ways, people who read these blogs are often convinced of the problems we face anyway. We simply must get the message out to a wier audience. If we don't, the West is sunk.

WATCHER71 said...

The question is how to get that message out..? Our own state authorities effectively prohibit lawful protest leaving unlawful action as the only option...Is the average Joe really ready to go against state authorities..? Especially in an environment when he doesn't have any guns...? I think if the state were to give the go ahead....well all would be different....the state needs to declare war on Islam....and let us have the open war that is coming....with the support of the people defending our way of life. Of course the state will never do that as the flow of oil would rapidly dry up.....perhaps things would be different if we were not dependent on oil....