Sunday, October 25, 2009

A Deeply Disturbing Encounter With Nick Griffin

From the Daily Mail:

Thanks to the BBC, tonight the British public will be able to make up their own minds about Nick Griffin, chairman of the British National Party and North West England MEP.

Viewing figures for this evening's Question Time should be high: there will be blood, metaphorically speaking.

But in 60 painful minutes - if host David Dimbleby keeps order - Griffin will probably duck the killer questions: he will not self-implode before our eyes.

BNP Leader Nick Griffin with his wife Jackie

Dangerous: BNP Leader Nick Griffin with his wife Jackie

More likely, by twist and turn, Griffin will emerge intact. His party and his views will gain immense free publicity; his own infamy will be further guaranteed. He will see it as mission accomplished.

Arguably, this is the price we all pay for democracy - although many believe the BBC has needlessly handed him a priceless coup.

But away from the television spotlight, who is Griffin? What does he say when his guard is down? And how do those closest to him - past and present - speak of the man?

In my research for his unauthorised biography, I accumulated 20 hours of videotaped interviews with Griffin, and many more with his wife, children, parents, minders, political opponents, senior BNP figures and the National Front leaders who shaped his views: John Tyndall and Martin Webster.

Griffin emerges as more than just an odious racist. Yes, he is clever, cunning and capable of delivering his racism through carefully articulated argument.

But he is also dangerous and deranged - a man whose personal Utopia is for every white Briton to embrace national socialism, Griffin-style, and for every non-white Briton to leave these islands.

The BNP accumulated nearly a million votes in the 2009 Euro elections, partly by exploiting Winston Churchill's memory.

But when I asked Griffin if he admired or respected Churchill, he responded curtly: 'Not particularly, no.'

Griffin pictured in his National Front days in August 1983

Griffin pictured in his National Front days in August 1983

Nor is Griffin a democrat. He boasted to me that an armed struggle may be necessary should the party not win ultimate power at Westminster through the ballot box.

'If the BNP were banned,' he argues, 'people would have a right to take up arms, a duty to take up arms: the only way to preserve ourselves will be by force.'

Griffin describes himself as 'a Strasserite' - Gregor Strasser was a key Nazi Party figure who was strongly critical of capitalism and preferred a more socialist approach to finance - and his views amount to orthodox fascism.

'There is a strong, direct link from Oswald Mosley to me,' he claims.

As a child, his grandfather encouraged him to pick one of Mosley's works from his bookshelves, an event Griffin remembers clearly.

Griffin and I visited Barnet, place of his childhood home until he was eight.

The family home was spacious, but the Griffins existed in genteel poverty - Nick got 'used to eating sugar sandwiches for dinner'.

His father Edgar's electrical business in St John's Wood had failed, so he taught himself accountancy and became a Conservative councillor. Today, he is retired.

Nick's mother, Jean, previously a housewife, remains a part-time worker for the BNP.

'In many ways, the BNP is too moderate for me,' Edgar told me.

He ranted to me about 'the coloureds' and 'the Muslim threat. You have children, don't you? Can't you see the terrible evil of these people in this country?'

It was Edgar who taught his son the politics of race, but no encouragement was needed. Nick quickly spotted the Jewish boys at school.

A favourite game was 'counting black people on the streets from the car window when my parents drove through London'.

Griffin laughed at the memory as he told me this story.

The family then moved to Suffolk, where, at his old school in Woodbridge, Griffin once informed the librarian, Catherine Williamson: 'I'm a socialist, a National Socialist.'

At 13, he studied Hitler's Mein Kampf, making notes in the margins. He thought it boring, but found the chapter on propaganda 'very useful.'

Eventually, during our many hours of discussions, Griffin conceded to me: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far.'

Griffin was a bright boy at a rather indifferent school and won a place at Cambridge University.

There he switched from reading history to law, graduating with a lower second.

Posters depicting a distorted photo of Griffin displayed at an anti-BNP rally in central London

Posters depicting a distorted photo of Griffin displayed at an anti-BNP rally in central London

A National Front student organiser, 'beaten up by the Reds', he took up boxing and gained a blue.

One undergraduate opponent was a Nigerian called Amure, with whom Griffin 'joked' about 'blacks behaving so badly and walking like monkeys'. Again, he chuckled at the memory.

Spend some time with the BNP supremo and the racist bile flows thick and fast.

He described Lord Carlile, the man responsible for Griffin's 1998 race hatred conviction, as 'that bloody Jew'.

The Chinese, he told me, are 'ruthless, wicked', Indians 'dirty and smelly', and Muslims 'evil'.

Ask Griffin privately if six million people died in Nazi gas chambers and he winces.

His response is even more robust than that given to me by the disgraced historian David Irving, who was imprisoned in Austria in 2006 for Holocaust denial.

Griffin talks of some Auschwitz chimneys being built after the war and how Zyklon B gas could 'never have been used at Treblinka extermination camp - but it makes good Shoah [Hebrew for the Holocaust] business, doesn't it?'

He concedes only that there were 'mass shootings in the East where many died'.

Griffin also alleged that Michael Howard, the former Conservative Party leader, had lied about his grandmother who died in Auschwitz - crassly and incorrectly informing me that Howard's 'granny had survived being gassed three times'.

At Griffin's home, an isolated stone Welsh farmhouse, I dined with his wife, Jackie, 46, and their four children.

Pictures from Arthurian legend decorated the walls. Small talk consisted partly of discussion and numerous bad-taste jokes about concentration camps.

Jackie, plump, blonde and remarkable only for being married to Griffin for 20-odd years, sat opposite me, completely silent.

Dinner was sausage and mash, with rhubarb and custard for desert. It was the most surreal experience of my life.

After our meal, Griffin gave me a gift - a BNP audiotape entitled Islam: A Threat To Us All.

He said he was trying to engage my interest in the 'enemies of Britain'. I have never listened to the cassette.

Later, as we walked around the Welsh hills, Griffin mapped out his political vision.

He believes that immigration and Islam, issues abandoned or ignored by the three main parties, are his route to power.

His methods include local campaigning in the style of the LibDems.

But he is not averse to using the tactics of Goebbels: telling lies big enough and often enough for people to believe them.

Jackie pulls no punches when it comes to her husband. The former district nurse later revealed some extraordinary home truths about the couple's marriage.

'My mother thinks he could do with a damned good slap,' she confided in me, adding: 'Nick's parents taught him that the sun rose and set in his a***.

'He never had to do anything at home and was told he was always right, he can do everything and he's wonderful.'

They first met in Suffolk in 1978: she was 15, he was 19 and friends with her sister's boyfriend.

'Nick was an oddball, never part of the gang,' she says.

After graduating in 1980, Griffin worked full time for the National Front.

'I thought he would grow out of it,' says Jackie. 'I was earning money, he wasn't - what a fool I was.'

The couple married in 1985. Joe Pearce, best man at their wedding, was imprisoned twice for inciting race hatred. The Griffins lived on state benefits for more than a year.

'I worked my a*** off trying to keep us going,' Jackie moaned.

'I've been... working to keep us going financially and bring up four children while he's spent his time playing at stupid politics. To Nick, it's all a game.'

She also revealed that 'through his own stupidity', Nick went bankrupt in 1991 after some disastrous property investments in France.

His parents repeatedly bailed him out, even selling their house in a vain attempt to save him.

Anti-BNP groups are furious that Griffin has been invited on to BBC Question Time tonight

Protest: Anti-BNP groups are furious that Griffin has been invited on to BBC Question Time tonight

Griffin admitted his greatest regret is 'nearly causing my parents to go under financially'.

Edgar and Jean still idolise their son and believe him to be a great man.

Before becoming BNP leader, Griffin's highest-paying job was teaching foreign students English in Wisbech, Cambridgeshire.

'Most of them were Eastern European,' according to his wife.

Other jobs included chopping down trees and assisting on archaeological digs - small fry for a man of his intelligence.

But employers had a tendency to blanch when presented with Griffin's CV, detailing as it does, a lifetime's work for the NF.

Today, Jackie boasts that her 50-year-old husband's life is insured for 'very substantial sums' - some for his family, the rest for the BNP. The party pays all insurance premiums.

Indeed, she admitted to having had 'some very close shaves in Oldham and Burnley, which is why Nick now wears a bullet-proof jacket much of the time'.

If you judge a man by the company he keeps, Griffin certainly chooses some interesting companions.

The two minders I met - Colin Smith and Warren Bennett - have numerous criminal convictions between them, including several for violence, football hooliganism and drug possession.

John Tyndall, founder of the BNP and party chairman until September 1999, believed that Griffin was 'a very slippery customer, not to be trusted'.

Now dead, Tyndall served prison sentences for paramilitary activity and unlawful possession of a gun.

Former NF chief Martin Webster, an openly gay man, told me that he had had a four-year affair with Griffin, who naturally denies it. Webster, too, has done time.

My most illuminating interviewee was Tony Lecomber, former Group Development Officer of the BNP and still Griffin's closest confidant.

We met in an East London pub. Lecomber had received two separate three-year sentences for unlawful wounding of a Jewish teacher and five counts under the Explosives Act.

'Bomber Lecomber', the chief architect of Griffin's successful bid to oust Tyndall as BNP chairman, joked with me about a home-made bomb of his which had been intended for the offices of the Revolutionary Communist Party in Wandsworth, London.

Griffin believes people who deal in hard drugs 'should be shot'

Extreme: Griffin believes people who deal in hard drugs 'should be shot'

But 'Bomber' never made it. Instead, his device went off inside his car in Borough High Street and he was badly burnt.

He also gave Griffin advice on how to prepare himself for a stretch inside, should it ever arise.

His top tip was, when working in the prison's metal work factory, to secretly insert steel plates in the toes of his prison regulation soft-fabric trainers to enable him to defend himself if necessary.

'The doctor at Brixton Prison told me I had psychopathic tendencies; I'm a really dangerous man,' Lecomber warned me after six pints of Guinness, thrusting a finger in my face and laughing.

Although Griffin had to expel Lecomber from the BNP, after he suggested using a hitman to assassinate politicians 'who are aiding and abetting a coloured invasion of this country', the two men remain very close.

All of which is bitterly ironic given Griffin's views on crime, criminals and drugs.

'Some people are innately criminal and nasty,' explains Griffin. 'Unless you punish and make examples, those on the borderline will follow the same road.

'There is no doubt there is a genetic disposition with some people towards crime.

'There is scientific research - especially studies of twins - that a great deal of what we achieve for good or for ill is genetically determined.'

This was orthodox Nazi thinking in the 1930s.

Asked what he would do about the criminal gene and whether he would sterilise criminals, Griffin responds: 'I don't know. It's something that politicians cannot do or dictate.

'Instead, they have to say: "Look, this is the reality." Stop hiding behind the politically correct fictions. We should have a debate about it and a national referendum.'

And what about our drug problem?

'People who take or deal in hard and deadly drugs should face the death penalty. They should be shot.'

Hardly the views of the political mainstream.

Nick Griffin will do his best to joke and jostle his way through tonight's proceedings.

But when you think long and hard about what he says and what he really believes, it is hard to disagree with his mother-in-law. He deserves a damned good slap.

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

The daily mail

Come on is that the best you can do

The question is how long will it be before they drop this reporter in the same way the dropped Melanie Philips

Well Jaco, why don,t you find the Question time videos

revereridesagain said...

Well, Nick does sound like a nasty piece of work, Shiva, even conceding that the "reporter" makes no attempt at objectivity. Where specifically is this report inaccurate?

Just Cause said...

Question Time was basically a one hour bash Nick Griffin fest led by the chair (David Dimbleby) himself. It was the most shocking display I've ever seen. Dimbleby should lose his job for his performance. He had chapter and verse of Griffin's statements waiting to be brought out at any time. Jack Straw, Shayeeda Warsi, and Nick Huhne had their own competition of who could show that they despised Griffin the most. The audience asked questions pre-selected by QT staff, none of which related to current affairs (supposedly the whole purpose of the show) but all to do with what Griffin has said in the past.

The net result: 3000 more registered BNP members, widespread public sympathy for Griffin who was perceived as the subject of bullying, further loss of respect for any of the three major parties, and a major boost of viewing figures for the BBC (three times the number who watch Saturdays most popular talent competition).

A couple of statements Griffin made that struck a chord with the masses: Britain is and will remain a Christian nation, a lot of people think the sight of two men kissing in public is creepy, Islam is an oppressive religion that enslaves women, Britain has been the subject of a massive multicultural experiment that wasn't in any manifesto or put to the public vote and has been a massive failure.

Reaction from the Government representatives from the panel? Ignorance.

They simply will not face up to the fact that however uncomfortable such views might make them feel, they are widely held throughout the land and must be represented. This is why the BNP are gaining support, pure and simple. They are ticking 8 out of 10 boxes of issues people want sorted out and the rest, 2, 3 maybe. Will it bother people that they have a racist agenda and possible anti-semitic sub agenda? Possibly but when you are stuck between a rock and a hard place you'll take a kick in the balls as opposed to a bullet in the head.

The highlight for me when Griffin said to Jack Straw when fighting the Nazis was being discussed: My Dad was in the RAF during the war whilst your Dad was in prison because he refused to fight, I am not a Nazi.

What they should have done is keep quiet and let the man respond to questions on current affairs. I would have liked to have found out what he thought of the current postal strikes or AGW theory.

What they did was more of the same, ignorance towards their own contribution for the downward spiral and cultural experiment that has been carried out on our country.

Pastorius said...

Just Cause and Shiva,
Your points may just be the difference between the average American and the average Briton. I have no idea.

Your ideas sound narrow-minded and reactionary to me.

I don't know what to say past this, without us just running over the same old arguments.

jeppo said...

Boy, the reporter doesn't paint a pretty picture of Griffin, does he? But I wonder how much of it is true and how much is part of the never-ending campaign by leftists to demonize anyone opposed to the multiculti PC hellhole our betters have planned for us.

You know, the Tories could put the BNP out of business tomorrow by getting serious about the number one issue, immigration. Promise to stop mass immigration and quit discriminating against the native Brits for the crime of having white skin and BNP support would dry up faster than the morning dew on a hot day.

But they won't, at least not under the wretched David Cameron. So BNP support will inevitably continue to grow. No matter how odious the BNP and Griffin might--MIGHT--be, they're the only party that are addressing the issues that matter to patriotic Brits, namely the very survival of their once-great nation.

andre79 said...

There are 2 words to describe Griffin:

National Socialism.

andre79 said...

Now here's a little gem:

"We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system!"

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/10/23/the-bnp-legal-directors-national-socialist-vision/

jaujau said...

I know that this may seem off topic in this particular thread, but we have our own Nick Griffin in Alex Jones' and or his followers.
I spoke with one of Jones' fans today, to explain to him why I could never support his theories or his paranoia....because it is so steeped in hatred, especially Jew hatred. Whenever I hear someone constantly refer to Zionist entities, or International Zionist control of the press or banks, I have to remind theses yahoos just what Zionism is, exactly, and how those Jews, as many of them are Jewish, let's not kid ourselves, who are in the press, in Hollywood, are in the financial community, those Jews HATE Israel, and work as tirelessly for its destruction as any other group on the left.
I refuse to follow anyone who, espousing hatred and paranoia, believe that bloodshed and violence are the only ways to right a wrong.
England's culture is suicidal at this point, and the nihilism of all concerned is no less displayed in Griffin's beliefs.

Anonymous said...

There's a good article by Melanie Phillips on the rise of the BNP here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1222977/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-The-outrageous-truth-slips-Labour-cynically-plotted-transform-entire-make-Britain-telling-us.html

The BNP is essentially the Labour Party's creation. Without Labour's disastrous social engineering experiment, the BNP would have remained a tiny unelectable fringe group.

Epaminondas said...

@shiva - Video of Nick Griffin's recent appearences ARE NOT AVAILABLE outside the UK.

So if you want us to see them unexpurgated ..someone in Britain has to get DOWNLOAD HELPER for firefox, follow the directions and get the file, and post it to another server.

If someone can do this email me and I will see to it, I POST ON MY SERVERS.

BTW a statement of problems such as:"Britain is and will remain a Christian nation, a lot of people think the sight of two men kissing in public is creepy, Islam is an oppressive religion that enslaves women, Britain has been the subject of a massive multicultural experiment that wasn't in any manifesto or put to the public vote and has been a massive failure." is not a solution nor does it excuse Britons from choosing the BNP since as a free nation if there are those who wish to get up off their asses and FORM SOMETHING ACCEPTABLE, they can do so.

Clearly, Britons are choosing the BNP BECAUSE THEY AGREE WITH OR CAN ACCEPT THE BNP WITH IT'S FAULTS.

Express elevator to hell.

GOING DOOOOWWWWWNN !!!

Anonymous said...

What we see is the tabloids which are basically the mouth pieces for the three mainstream parties coming together, publishing the same old clap trap against BNP

It is the same old thing as what has been written over the last 4 years, the only thing new is the name of the writers that are labeled to the article

It is getting a wee bit tiresome, to see how the media keeps re-cycling the holocaust denial, yet fail to something new substance of to pin on the BNP

The way the media are using the holocaust in their attempt to smear is a disgrace. Every body in Britain knows what Griffin has said about the holocaust, yet the major parties are using it as a smoke screen to hide there own short comings, and their total failure to address the main issues that concern the electorate.

In fact I have more contempt for the media and Lab/lid/con and media for using the holocaust to protect their goggling at the trough

Just Cause said...

Epa, "...not a solution nor does it excuse Britons from choosing the BNP since as a free nation if there are those who wish to get up off their asses and FORM SOMETHING ACCEPTABLE, they can do so."

They have, the EDL.

Jeppo, "You know, the Tories could put the BNP out of business tomorrow by getting serious about the number one issue, immigration"

Precisely the point I tried to make above. Only problem is that they wouldn't dream of agreeing to tackle it because they are as left leaning as Labour are. The only situation that might change this is a massive turn out at the next election for the BNP which will effectively leave them no option.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's everybody's fault but Nick Griffin's, and the BNP's: it's Labor's fault, it's the tabloids' fault, it's Melanie Philips' fault, everybody's lying about them. Who are you going to believe? Nick Griffin, or your lying eyes and ears?

Same ol', same ol'.

"IgunaDonna

Anonymous said...

@shiva - Video of Nick Griffin's recent appearences ARE NOT AVAILABLE outside the UK

Well I have seen most of it.

Griffin with his remark about Mugabe arse lickin Jack Straws father put the whole show in context.

Hypocrisy

While brave men including Griffin,s father were doing what ever they where capable of doing in the war effort against the nazi,s so that British people could remain free of tyranny, that Jack Straw has benefitted from. Yet Jack straw like his father, is a traitor, far worse than his father, because Straw is giving away the freedom that his father did not fight for.

Epaminondas said...

@shiva...rather than digesting it for us, how about doing what I said so we can all see the video as he recorded it.

Your perception may not be others', or the objective reality

Epaminondas said...

@ Just Cause.. JURY IS OUT on EDL. To say the least.

IF they are the something else, perhaps you would care to name the candidates so we can do some research?

Anonymous said...

Just Cause

They have the EDL

Oh another group for the status quo to smear with nazi hate and amerikan bloggers can use for their perpetual English bashing

It is sick that the British media are using the holocaust

What is sicker is the amerikans can even think that the British would ever allow the nazi,s take power again

Most of Europe was flattened thanx to the nazi,s, so people will never allow them take power again, and it is only sick minds that think it could ever happen again

It is amazing to see how the stars and stripes is waved to the chant "i,m proud to bee an amerikan"

I some times ask myself what is the difference between dropping canisters of of zyklon through a hole in the roof of a gas chamber, or dropping agent orange from 30,000 feet

Rest assured nazis will never rise again in europe, but I am not so assured that amerika will not devastate some far away place in the near future

I fear that the heart of the jews is in more danger from amerika, than the people who are labeled nazi,s in Britain

Anonymous said...

Epa

Just Cause.. JURY IS OUT on EDL. To say the least.

I would say the jury is asleep, waiting for more.

I hope to make a post about EDL in the next few days

All I will say now EDL is no small thing, and there are small rumbling it is going to spread outside of Britain

midnight rider said...

"I some times ask myself what is the difference between dropping canisters of of zyklon through a hole in the roof of a gas chamber, or dropping agent orange from 30,000 feet"

6,000,000 dead Jews. As well as Catholics and Poles and Gypsies etc.

Agent Orange was a defoliant used to denude the jungle canopy so we could see the enemy who chose to hide in tunnels and pop up unawares.

Zyklon B was meant for murder and genocide.

And by the way, it's spelled AMERICA.

Communists and Socialists like to spell it the other way.

Unknown said...

How did Griffin get the job and can't someone with less baggage take over for him?

Griffin does not seem that bright to me. I remember one video where he just read the name and place of events. It was not compelling. He also says things that he shouldn't.

Since he and his wife have been together so long, the inclusion of quotes by her against him make the entire account ring false. Whose wife of 20 some years would publicly slander their husband to a nosy reporter. Especially after it said she sat silently through dinner. This does not compute.

Anonymous said...

Agent Orange was a defoliant used to denude the jungle canopy so we could see the enemy who chose to hide in tunnels and pop up unawares.

Fucking bullshit, exactly the same as holocaust denial, agent orange was toxic, but classed as a defoliant, giving the USA a loophole to slip through

Lawsuits by American GIs were settled out of court - without admission of liability by the chemical companies

Vietnese did not get a nickel on the court ruling that even though the herbicides (agent orange) contained a dioxin, a known-poison, they were not intended to be used as a poison on humans. Therefore they were not considered a chemical weapon and not a violation of international law.

It is very revealing how you write 6,000,000 dead Jews. As well as Catholics and Poles and Gypsies etc.

This in itself is holocaust denial. You, Epa and many other always forget mention to mention that Catholics, Poles, Gypsies and Slavs totaled 13,000,000

There has been so much made of the 6,000,000, that when yhere is mention of the holocaust people now only think of the Jews being murdered. this in itself is denial

The true figures of the holocaust was 19,000,000, where as 5,900,000
and the rest being Catholics, Poles, Gypsies and Slavs

Pastorius said...

Shiva,
Jews, perhaps along with Gypsies, the mentally retarded, and Homosexuals, were targeted specifically for absolute genocide.

Poles were not, unless you know something I don't know.

In fact, from what I know, young Polish men were forcibly conscripted into the Nazi Army.

Of the 6 million Poles who died in the purposeful genocide in Poland, 3 million were Jews.

Where do you get the number 19.5 million from, by the way? Could you give me a source.

When I look up the numbers, I get between 11 and 13 million.

Anonymous said...

Culturist John said...

How did Griffin get the job and can't someone with less baggage take over for him?

John, that is a very good question, it was just this baggage that put him in the situation so as to take BNP forward, nobody with a squeaky clean record would have been able to do so.

He is smart in many ways, he is not going to talk to much about what he said ten years ago, he lets his distractors do the talking, and allows them to blabber themselves into irrelevance (Melanie Philips)..

He is also smart as to know that should he revert back to his NF days then the BNP would crumble very fast, as very few of his present supporters would tolerate such a move

Everybody thats supports him are aware of his baggage which puts him in a tight spot. Nasty Nick wants power fame and glory, and he is going to get it, but as soon as he take his dirty linen out of his baggage he is out on his ear.

Personally I don,t think the BNP will become the ruling, but I think they are going to be large enough to force through a lot of changes which the establishment are most scared about

If Griffin is the wolf in a sheep,s skin that the media is portraying him to be, his supporters will never allow him to take off that skin

Anonymous said...

Jaco

13 mill + 6 mill = 19 mill off hand I cannot remember the source I got the figures from but I think wikipedia has a breakdown on the different groups

Paul said...

Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, people we admire, respect and love.

However, as we grow and mature we come to the realization that what we were told by our family when we were children were slanted lies base on their prejudices. We realize that most people are like ourselves and not so different and want the same things, like a home, steady work, a Medicare plan and schools for our children (if you travel you will see this). We realize that most people are of good hearts and goodwill.

This reminds me of a parable from the good book where a Levite and Priest come upon a man who fell among thieves and they both individually passed by and didn’t stop to help him.

Finally a man of another race came by, he got down from his beast, decided not to be compassionate by proxy and got down with the injured man, administered first aid, and helped the man in need.

Jesus ended up saying, this was the good man, this was the great man, because he had the capacity to project the “I” into the “thou,” and to be concerned about his fellow man.

You see, the Levite and the Priest were afraid, they asked themselves, “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?”

But then the Good Samaritan came by. And he reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?”

That’s the question before us. The question is not, “If I stop to help our fellow man (immigrant) in need, what will happen to me?” The question is, “If I do not stop to help our fellow man, what will happen to him or her?” That’s the question.

This current climate of blaming others for our woes is not new. We have had this before and we have conquered it.

Remember “Evil flourishes when good men (and women) do nothing”. Raise your voices with those of us who believe we are equal and we can win this battle again.

Just Cause said...

Culturist John, "How did Griffin get the job and can't someone with less baggage take over for him?
"

I don't think it matters who leads the BNP to be honest, as long as they keep their racist agenda they will always remain on the fringe. In my opinion, keeping Nick Griffin where he is and his racist policies in place is essential because as their popularity grows the greater the pressure on the major parties will be to tackle some of the issues they are currently avoiding.

@Shiva, yes, the charge that the English are just waiting to invite the Nazis into our midst to save us from the Islamists is quite amusing. I think it must be hard for them to empathise with the plight of the Brits who were subjected to a horrific and regular bombardment by the Nazis in a tiny country surrounded by the enemy! This legacy passed down by our ancestors is vastly different from that passed down from American vets I would imagine where there was no risk whatsoever for the folks back home. Not forgetting of course the bombardment of mainland Britain by the IRA that my generation was subjected to.

Anyway, it's not 1939, we are not yet facing a vast regular army posied for invasion across the English channel. Todays enemy is vastly different as is the solution for its defeat. I don't give a shit about what everyone who stands against the enemy believes in, be it nazism, communism, or satanism. All this claptrap about 'the jury is out' about the EDL and anyone else who has decided to make a start on the resistance is obfuscation for cowardice. If we wait for the 'right' time or the 'right' people to make a stand we'll turn round to resist and it will be too late.

Anonymous said...

Just cause

@Shiva, yes, the charge that the English are just waiting to invite the Nazis into our midst to save us from the Islamists is quite amusing.

I do not find it amusing any longer

Paul said...

Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, people we admire, respect and love.

However, as we grow and mature we come to the realization that what we were told by our family when we were children were slanted lies base on their prejudices. We realize that most people are like ourselves and not so different and want the same things, like a home, steady work, a Medicare plan and schools for our children (if you travel you will see this). We realize that most people are of good hearts and goodwill.

This reminds me of a parable from the good book where a Levite and Priest come upon a man who fell among thieves and they both individually passed by and didn’t stop to help him.

Finally a man of another race came by, he got down from his beast, decided not to be compassionate by proxy and got down with the injured man, administered first aid, and helped the man in need.

Jesus ended up saying, this was the good man, this was the great man, because he had the capacity to project the “I” into the “thou,” and to be concerned about his fellow man.

You see, the Levite and the Priest were afraid, they asked themselves, “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?”

But then the Good Samaritan came by. And he reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?”

That’s the question before us. The question is not, “If I stop to help our fellow man (immigrant) in need, what will happen to me?” The question is, “If I do not stop to help our fellow man, what will happen to him or her?” That’s the question.

This current climate of blaming others for our woes is not new. We have had this before and we have conquered it.

Remember “Evil flourishes when good men (and women) do nothing”. Raise your voices with those of us who believe we are equal and we can win this battle again.

Anonymous said...

i´m not standing for this griffin guy but it sounds there´s a lot bs in the text. griffin had a gay affair with the other guy?! leftists are accusing of gayness across europe everyone who opposes their politics... lol :P

Unknown said...

And his devoted wife talkin' trash to a reporter behind his back seems illogical too.

Pastorius said...

Shiva,
You said: 13 mill + 6 mill = 19 mill off hand I cannot remember the source I got the figures from but I think wikipedia has a breakdown on the different groups


I say: Very interesting that you won't source it, even when I ask you.

Well then, I will find your source.

Pastorius said...

Anonymous said: i´m not standing for this griffin guy but it sounds there´s a lot bs in the text. griffin had a gay affair with the other guy?!


I say: That sounds like b.s. to me too. But, it's presented for what it is, rumor, the word of one man.

Pastorius said...

CJ points out that his wife wouldn't talk trash.

CJ, it sounds to me like everything she said was probably said with a nod and a wink. She was laughing when she said it. She doesn't dislike him. Can't you read between the lines???

For instance: 'My mother thinks he could do with a damned good slap,' she confided in me, adding: 'Nick's parents taught him that the sun rose and set in his a***.


I say: Do you really think your wife and her parents never have a conversation like that about you? If your wife doesn't express it, well, that says more about your wife than about you. Some wives talks openly, some talk behind closed doors, but all wives talk shit about their husbands sometimes, just like all husbands talk shit about their wives.

That's a fact of life.



Here's more from the article: After graduating in 1980, Griffin worked full time for the National Front.
'I thought he would grow out of it,' says Jackie. 'I was earning money, he wasn't - what a fool I was.'
The couple married in 1985. Joe Pearce, best man at their wedding, was imprisoned twice for inciting race hatred. The Griffins lived on state benefits for more than a year.
'I worked my a*** off trying to keep us going,' Jackie moaned.
'I've been... working to keep us going financially and bring up four children while he's spent his time playing at stupid politics. To Nick, it's all a game.'
She also revealed that 'through his own stupidity', Nick went bankrupt in 1991 after some disastrous property investments in France.
His parents repeatedly bailed him out, even selling their house in a vain attempt to save him.


I say: The writer of the article is trying to making Griffin look bad. There is no denying that. However, the joke that he doesn't tell, which is behind all this, is Griffin is not a financial disaster anymore. So, here's what would be in Jackie's mind as she's telling all this stuff. "Look, I stood by my man, and look who he has become. I was right to stand by him. He is a genius, and people know it, and he is successful now"


CJ, you gotta learn to read between the lines.

Do you really think Griffin doesn't have money when he is the leader of a party that represents something near 10% of the UK?

Pastorius said...

Shiva,
Here's what Wiki has to say about it:

In addition to about three million Polish Jews (mostly killed in Operation Reinhard), 2.5 million non-Jewish Polish citizens perished during the course of the war. Over two million were ethnic Poles (the remaining 500,000 were mainly ethnic minority Ukrainians and Belarusians living in Poland). The majority of those killed by Nazi Germany were civilians (exceeding military deaths nearly 10:1).[1][2]

From the start of the war against Poland, Germany intended to realize the plan laid-out by the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in his 1926 book Mein Kampf. The aim of this plan was to turn Eastern Europe into part of greater Germany, the so-called German Lebensraum ("living space").

Plans for the "final solution"
Main article: Generalplan Ost

In the same document, Himmler promised to eventually deport all Slavic Poles to Russia. In other statements, he mentioned the future killing fields in the Pripet Marshes where all were intended to die during the cultivation of the swamps. Plans for the mass transportation and creation of slave labor camps for up to 20 million Poles were made. According to Himmler, "All Poles will disappear from the world. [...] It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles."[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_ethnic_Poles

Pastorius said...

I can find no source for you 19 million killed in the German Holocaust.

All sources I find estimate the number at 11 to 13 million.

All sources I find say that, of the six million Poles murdered in the German Holocaust, 3 million of them were Jews.

It would be nice if you could provide a source for your numbers, as I would love to be more well-informed, if I am wrong.

Anonymous said...

The estimated numbers are 11-13 million. Shiva, I think, is just mistaken. Another thing, the number 6 million is just the number repeated. The number of Jews that perished may be as high as 7-8 million. As for the other groups of people that perished, all of them put together, their number comes at around 6-7 million.

That does not mean that their deaths mean less than the Jewish deaths but it is a matter of common sense that the Jews were clearly the main target. The reason why when people mention SHOAH (holocaust comes from Latin which means "burnt offering"--that's a whole another theological discussion but using that word, I should say, is pretty disgusting!) they mainly talk about Jews and their loss is that out of the 15 or so million Jews 6-8 million of them lost their lives. Virtually every Jewish family was affected and all that happened because a bunch of crazy bastards thought, once again in the course of history, that Jews as a people were evil and needed to be eradicated. Yes, it makes the SHOAH mainly about the extermination of the Jews.

I have been reading about BNP and EDL here for quite sometime and I don't understand completely what's going on...and frankly, I don't give a rat's @$$ about these parties. We'll see what happens when they come to power or not come to power. However, by adopting the attitude that goes something like, "If you only think about the Jews then you're actually denying the SHOAH", is denial of what happened. That means diminishing or trying to diminish the loss that virtually every Jewish family felt PERSONALLY and presenting it as "just another war".

Again, not trying to say the lives of non-Jews that were lost don't matter. What I am saying is that Jews were the main target and let's not try to rewrite history by claiming 19 million people died and only 5.9 million were Jews<-- because that statement is a lie if you actually believe in it.

Anonymous said...

Oh and another thing, some bloggers here are taking everything way too personally when it comes to different political parties. For some reason, I see Brits feeling like Americans are just picking on them. I don't see that happening here at all but I do see some prejudice here.

I hope our blog does not become an argument ground between Brits and Americans because what I see and why I even write here is because this blog is about Western civilization. We disagree on somethings (or a lot of things) and that's fine. But when some bloggers stoop down to a childish level where all they can do is level attacks for the sake of attacking, then I think that's going a little overboard with it all.

I am specifically talking about Shiva's earlier comments where he deliberately misspells "America", e.g. "i,m proud to bee an amerikan". as though Americans don't know how to spell. What kinda childish crap is that?

And before any of you jump to attack me, I just want to make one thing clear, I am not an American!