Saturday, November 24, 2007

David Duke's defenders and Vlaams Belangs defenders...just one tiny difference

The jewish people.
dukepislogan400.jpg
But according to Duke, this week, just the extreme jews. (He insisted that his words only target "Jewish extremists")
Any buyers?
I thought not.

However, according to some, jewish people are not exactly running out to support (that's double sourced below) Vlaams Belang and Mr DeWinter
October 2006:

"Orthodox Jewish residents packing the streets of Antwerp's diamond-trading quarter scorned the idea that Vlaams Belang would win up to a third of their community's votes, as party mayor candidate Filip Dewinter said last week.

Wearing Orthodox black suits and Homburg hats, the men were carrying palm fronds in honor of the feast of Sukkot, celebrated this weekend. That festival meant it was forbidden for Jews to cast their votes, Jeremy Sulzbacher said, unless they had organized a proxy vote. "Vlaams Belang doesn't convince Jewish people," he said."

"Once they've finished with the Muslims and the North Africans, who will they start on next? They'll start on us, the Jews."


So last night I was re-listening to the marvelous debate.
Resolved - we should not be reticent to assert the superiority of western values

Ibn Warraq wins it outright with his introducing position.
So what are we asserting.

In the last few days as the issues have become much more tightly focused, the defense of european rightist movement of ethnic nationality as an ally of those who DO assert the above, breaks down to one thing only...Phillip Dewinter (Vlaams Belang).."would consider them (insistence and demands on outright repudiation of the white europe he called for as a goal) impertinent and irrelevant to his cause if he were aware of them."

Is that the superiority we shall assert?

Shall we assert PRECISELY that we can't help it if white power is among our allies?
Shall we assert that white power is a natural cultural defense because europe was all white, against all demographic perils as we fight off sharia and 9:29 and 9:5?

This is precisely what I have been told in the last few days, and precisely what David Duke says. He just likes the jews less than Mr. DeWinter.

Shall we assert that Le Pen might really be so bad after all? Is that a superiority of western values?

Is there anyone who thinks the mantle of god's blessing will fall on them simply because they are NOT anti semitic?

I assert that it is the GOOD FIGHT to oppose those who believe these things. I assert that to be for white europe as a metaphor or in reality is equal in every single way equal to what Stormfront and David Duke proselytize, regardless of what one thinks of the existence of Israel, and as a jew I can tell you IT SHAMES ME PERSONALLY to have the support of these people in the belief that Israel must exist.

David Duke, Le Pen, and Phillip DeWinter all want the same thing.
It is indefensible.
It i not a western value which can be defended let alone asserted, and I'm sure people I see as allies in the fight I am a part of, such as Ibn Warraq would agree.
Robert Spencer already does.

The very factors which caused europe to be unable to assimilate these mass immigrants, and grant them complete social mobility places them in the position of defending the indefensible.

To such people the only defense left is to brand such as me self righteous do gooder multiculturalists.
I wonder if they understand the irony, and the joke.

They complain that in being called neo nazis by some (not me btw), this ends all rational debate. But now because it really IS impossible to defend racial culture as a political program, they perform exactly the same act.

That's okay.

Rational debate is over. We now have two completely separate anti-salafist and anti khomeinist movements. One of them accepts white europe as valid, with an excuse.

I assert that theirs is going to be in more and more trouble, as those values receive more and more sunshine. Just as more exposure has damaged the the idea that Islam is a religion of peace, and demonstrated the kind of thing taught in too many mosques, so now to white europe.
I hope this is my last post on this subject.

20 comments:

Always On Watch said...

Excellent audio, Epa! I'm still listening to it.

I noticed the second speech, with the old refrain "Western civilization is the cause of all the world's problems." I've been hearing that refrain from many college grads, beginning in the 1980s.

Pastorius said...

Thanks for writing this Epa. I've been thinking over some of the same ideas, but I admit, I had trouble figuring out how to articulate them.

You did a great job.

Isn't it interesting how so many people will say that ethnic nationalism is "just" the way Europe is, but then those very same people will turn around and defend Ethnic Nationalism ...

as if it is "just" the way they are as well.

Always On Watch said...

I'm worn out this issue.

So, as best I can, I'm moving on.

I may have to speak of it again (phone, radio, etc.), but I don't plan to post on it again. It seems to me that I have stated my own position and the effect this rift has had on me. I surely need to enjoy my life again. And I plan to get some good nights' sleep, too.

Anonymous said...

Truly excellent! I would submit for your consideration, that you go to littlegreenfootballs.com ("LGF") and review all the research material on this subject provided by Charles Johson and his LGF readers.
Charles Johnson and LGF have covered this like a rug!

Anonymous said...

Here in Britainistan we're coming to the end of the lavishly petrodollar-funded ISLAM AWARENESS WEEK, with the 'Religion of Peace' message being proclaimed throughout our schools and colleges. Every British child now knows that 'Islam means Peace' and that Muslims cannot possibly have carried out the terrorist attacks for which they've been blamed, and they're bringing home the glossy booklets to prove it to their bigoted Islamophobic parents. Allah Akhbar!!!!

So as my own humble underfunded contribution to Islam Awareness Week, I've compiled a list of Islamically Aware blogs which allow unrestricted comments and are active as of 24-NOV-2007 . Let us go forth and share Islam Awareness throughout the blogosphere!!!


http://americanjihad.blogspot.com/

http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/

http://baldheadedgeek.blogspot.com/

http://barnsley-nationalists3.blogspot.com/

http://bfbwwiii.blogspot.com/

http://boycott-islam.blogspot.com/

http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/

http://covenantzone.blogspot.com/

http://covert-tactics.blogspot.com/

http://culturismnews.blogspot.com/

http://www.dizzyfatplonka.blogspot.com/

http://edgar1981.blogspot.com/

http://english-rose-uk.blogspot.com/

http://fieryspiritedzionist.blogspot.com/

http://firebaseamerica.blogspot.com

http://fortressaustralia.blogspot.com/

http://fulhamreactionary.blogspot.com/

http://goatsbarnyard.blogspot.com/

http://godhelpbritain.blogspot.com/

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com

http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/

http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com/

http://johnofgwent.blogspot.com/

http://jovan66102.blogspot.com/

http://kirkleesresistance.blogspot.com/

http://lancaster-bnp-freespeech.blogspot.com/

http://libertyplanet.blogspot.com/

http://www.lionheartuk.blogspot.com/

http://masada1234.blogspot.com/

http://mosquewatch.blogspot.com/

http://olehmichael.blogspot.com/

http://nationalisminourtimesofneed.blogspot.com/

http://nationalistblog.blogspot.com/

http://neoconcommandcenter.blogspot.com/

http://newportcity.blogspot.com/

http://www.noburqua.blogspot.com/

http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com

http://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/

http://politicalbeachgirl.blogspot.com/

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/

http://scottishbritishandproud.blogspot.com/

http://www.simondarby.blogspot.com/

http://spartanspectator.blogspot.com/

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/

http://thebuckshotter.blogspot.com/

http://thedoctor44.blogspot.com/

http://uppompeii1.uppompeii.com/

http://worcestershirenationalist.blogspot.com/

http://westerndefence.blogspot.com/

http://whenworldscollidge.blogspot.com/

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/

http://ydkmwayne.blogspot.com/

http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/

P.S. These sites include everything from Nordic pagan to Christian fundamentalist to rabid Ethnonationalist to kosher Zionist to atheist secularist with the occasional Celtic Druid.

The one thing I would say to all you counterjihadist bloggers is 'If you don't learn how to hang together, you will most definitely hang separately.' Peace Be Upon You!

Reliapundit said...

LINK SPLIT-TO-FIT

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2007/11/
proof-from-russia-that-charles-johnson.html


PROOF FROM RUSSIA THAT CHARLES
JOHNSON OF LGF IS WRONG, STUPID AND COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE REGARDING VLAAMSE BELANG AND "GATES OF VIENNA"

* TODAY GARY KASPAROV AND OTHER OPPOSITION LEADERS WERE ARRESTED AT THE BIGGEST ANTI-PUTIN RALLY IN QUITE SOME TIME.

* THIS RALLY WAS INTENDED TO EXPOSE PUTIN'S ELECTION-RIGGING BEFORE THE UP-COMING ELECTION.

* THIS IS NOT MERE PARTISAN ELECTIONEERING.

* PROOF: THE OSCE HAS WITHDRAWN ITS ELECTION OBSERVERS BECAUSE OF THE RAMPANT RIGGING AND THE MANY LAWS BY PUTIN WHICH WILL INTERFERE WITH TRUE OVERSIGHT, AND INSURE A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION.

* THE OSCE HAS SAID THEY WILL NOT CERTIFY THAT THIS NEXT ELECTION RESULT WILL BE DEMOCRATIC, AT ALL.


* ALSO AT THE RALLY: BORIS NEMTSOV - THE MAINSTREAM ANTI-PUTIN PARTY LEADER WHOSE PARTY IS ON THE BALLOT AND HAS A CHANCE AT GETTING A LOT OF SUPPORT AND MANY SEATS IN THE DUMA.


* ALSO AT THE RALLY: RUSSIA'S COMMUNISTS AND ANARCHISTS.


* EVEN CHARLES JOHNSON MAY BE ABLE TO RECALL THAT RUSSIA'S COMMUNIST PARTY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR COMMITTING GENOCIDE, KILLING AS MANY AS 50 MILLION PEOPLE - AND FOR JAILING MILLIONS MORE IN GULAGS.

* THERE HAVE NOT BEEN MANY PARTIES ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME WHICH HAVE BEEN AS MURDEROUS AND AS EVIL.


* YET KASPAROV AND NEMTSOV STOOD WITH THEM. WHY?


* BECAUSE THE PROBLEM AT HAND (AND FOR THE TIME BEING) - EXPOSING PUTIN'S GROWING TYRANNY - TRUMPS PAST HISTORY OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY.

* IF WE EXTEND THE VERY SAME REASONING WHICH CHARLES EMPLOYS TO ATTACK VLAAMSE BELANG AND "GATES OF VIENNA", (AND ALL WHO ATTENDED THEIR RECENT COUNTER-JIHAD CONFERENCE IN EUROPE) ... IF WE EMPLOY IT IN RUSSIA WITH REGARD TO THE ANTI-PUTIN RALLY THERE, THEN WE'D HAVE TO ATTACK KASPAROV AND NEMTSOV.

* THIS WOULD BE STUPID, WRONG, AND COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE.

* ERGO, CHARLES JOHNSON'S ATTACK ON VLAAMSE BELANG AND "GATES OF VIENNA "AND THE COUNTER-JIHAD EFFORT IS ALSO STUPID, WRONG, AND COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE.

END OF STORY.

* NOTE: THE "ASSOCIATION" BETWEEN KASPAROV (AND OTHER ANTI-TYRANNY/ANTI-PUTIN PARTIES) AND THE COMMUNIST PARTY IS NOT NEW. THE CP HAS JOINED WITH OTHER ANTI-PUTIN PARTIES IN RALLIES BEFORE.

* CHARLES JOHNSON THINKS HE IS "HOLIER THAN THOU."

* BUT HE IS JUST "STUPIDER THAN THOU."

* BOTTOM-LINE: REMEMBER, EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE ALL THE LEFTIST GARBAGE CHARLES JOHNSON HAS REGURGITATED ABOUT THE VLAAMSE BELANG, THEY ARE NO WHERE NEAR AS BAD AS THE COMMUNIST PARTY.

AND YET KASPAROV STOOD WITH THEM AGAINST PUTIN.

CHARLES JOHNSON OWES VLAAMSE BELANG AND "GATES OF VIENNA" AND THE COUNTER-JIHAD AN APOLOGY.

*******UPDATE:

* HERE'S PROOF FROM IRAQ:

*CHARLES JOHNSON IS PRO-IRAQ WAR, AND PRO-IRAQ DEMOCRACY.

* YET THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT - WHICH HE SUPPORTS - IS ANTI-ISRAEL, AS ARE MOST IRAQIS.

* IF CHARLES JOHNSON CAN SUPPORT IRAQI SELF-DETERMINATION - DESPITE HOLDING SOME OPINIONS - SUCH AS UNABASHED ZIONISM - WHICH ARE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO THOSE OF MOST IRAQIS, THEN WHY DO PEOPLE ORGANIZING TO FIGHT EURO-DHIMMITUDE HAVE TO SHARE EVERY OPINION WITH EVERY OTHER GROUP THAT JOINS THEM IN THAT FIGHT!?

* I WOULD EXPECT CHARLES JOHNSON TO OPPOSE IRAQIS IF AND WHEN THEY SUPPORT AL QAEDA AND ALLOW THEIR NATION TO BE A BASE FOR AL QAEDA.

* BUT AS LONG AS IRAQIS ARE ON OUR SIDE IN WW4, WE CAN AND SHOULD TOLERATE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ON OTHER ISSUES.

* WE HOPE THAT OUR CURRENT JOINT EFFORTS IN WW4 WILL LEAD TO IRAQIS MODERATING THEIR VIEWS ON ISRAEL - AND OTHER ISSUES.

* AND I AM SURE GATES OF VIENNA HOPES THE SAME REGARDING SOME GROUPS WHICH ARE JOINING THEIR EFFORTS TO MOBILIZE EUROPEANS TO OPPOSE DHIMMITUDE.

THIS IS EVEN MORE PROOF THAT CHARLES JOHNSON OWES VLAAMSE BELANG AND GATES OF VIENNA AN APOLOGY.

PS: YOU GUYS AND CHARLES SHOULD GROW UP.

I REMEMBER MARCHING IN CIVIL RIGHTS MARCHES IN THE 19860'S - WITH DR. MLK JR.

ALSO IN THE MARCHES - SOME LESS SAVORY GROUPS.

WE DIDN'T SHUN THEM.

GROW UP.

ALL THE BEST!

Warren said...

I will not support white nationalism!

I've had dealings with these people in the past.

Speaking as a "mongrel", and "tool of the jews". its personal and you can kiss my "mud people(d)" ass!

Charles Johnson may be a total asshole and unable to tell his supporters from his enemies, but that doesn't make him wrong in this matter.

I will not abide with people that consider me and my family little better than dogs.

Infidel K9 said...

Explain to me why you also have in your banner the exact symbol (celtic cross ) as David Duke has on his T-shirt

Pastorius said...

Infidel K9,
That's a good question. That was pointed out to me for the first time just yesterday. I had never previously noticed that it was there.

The image is from the movie Dracula by Francis Ford Coppola.

I will ask my graphics person to change it.

Always On Watch said...

Aren't there different Celtic crosses? Ones without being loaded images?

As I look at the cross in question in the header here, it has a long bottom piece.

Google search "celtic cross"

Graphics alteration may be possible, Pastorius.

lowandslow said...

When you guys are done playing connect the dots to White Supremacists/Nazis in Belgium you can move on to Germany, that should keep you guys busy for years.

In the meantime I'll be over at Atlas staying current on the Muslim jihadists threat we face today.

Always On Watch said...

staying current on the Muslim jihadists threat we face today

As I said, I'm moving on. I've stated my position and am going back to seeking out news stories.

We all know that John Howard lost the election in Oz, right? I see that as another dire development.

Always On Watch said...

I emptied my cache. The Celtic cross is gone now.

Pastorius said...

Yes it is, thanks to LongRange.

Anonymous said...

This is a Celtic Cross
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest/sites/laugharne/images/celtic_cross400.jpg

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Nazism. It is an ancient symbol found throughout Western Britain and Ireland which is associated with a Celtic Christian civilisation and culture which had its origins with the arrival of Joseph of Arimathea at Glastonbury soon after the death of Christ.

Celtic Christianity and its associated culture were suppressed following the Synod of Whitby in 664 AD.

Conservative Swede said...

Epa: "Rational debate is over."

You sound like Al Gore...

This debate has barely started. The LGF accusations are faulty and so it will be shown. Most of it has already been debunked. What's missing is a statement from Dewinter, about a couple of things, and to say that "the debate is over" before that has happened is of course not at all serious.

But of course, in the court of PC hysteria people get sentenced even before they are heard. Often already the accusation counts as a judgment...

Conservative Swede said...

Hi Epa,

This one is especially for you:

I found this photo of Dewinter shaking hands with a rabbi, at the DowneastBlog in a post from 2004.

I'm quoting from the post:

>>Because a picture tells more than a 1,000 words, as the cliché goes, I provide here a photo depicting Filip Dewinter, VB chairman in Antwerp, shaking hands with the well-known rabbi Pinchas Meyers. In the former you will recognize the man on the poster from yesterday's article. In addition, I can tell you that Dewinter has also held talks with Jewish former town official André Gantman, in which he distanced himself explicitly from each and any form of anti-Semitism.

The VB itself does the same, but I’m giving this example because Dewinter himself is really the face of the VB, not only in Antwerp but also in the rest of the country. Scroll down this site, and you will find plenty of evidence of extensive contacts between the VB and Jews in Antwerp. In addition, I might add that Dewinter has given interviews to Jewish newspaper Maariv supporting Israëls cause, and that Dewinter on March 23rd of this year, upon introducing Israeli author Avi Lipkin, a former spokesman of the Israeli army, to a VB audience, said that Israel is "the vanguard of the West in a feudal Middle East."

He’s not the only one though: Marc Joris, another well-known VB figure from Antwerp co-runs with female Jewish filmmaker Tami Lorjé the site Kristalhelder, a site providing background info on Israël from the point where MSM info on that country STOPS... Such is the vigor with which Mr. Joris, a Holocaust Denier as the PC cabal would want us to believe, has committed himself to the defence of Jews in Belgium, that he is affectionately known among the members of that community as Yachem Joris , meaning "Little Jew Joris">>

Also:

>>In March 2004, Filip Dewinter held in a meeting organized by the Antwerp VB chapter a passionate plea for the State of Israel, saying that "Israel is the vanguard of the West in a feudal Middle East". Among those present was Avi Lipkin, a jewish author and former spokesman for the Israeli Army. Dewinter's speech was so eloquent and convincing, highlighting Israels brave struggle and its prodigious accomplishments, that after the speech Mr. Lipkin HEARTILY EMBRACED FILIP DEWINTER!!!>>

1389 said...

There is a HUGE difference between these two types of beliefs:

(1): Belief in white supremacy (the belief espoused by such as Hitler, David Duke, or the KKK),

(2): Rejection of anti-white racism along with rejection of all other forms of racism (the belief espoused by people of white European ancestry who have no use for white supremacy, but who object to becoming a subjugated, disadvantaged, and powerless minority in their native land (or being forced into exile) as a result of de facto foreign conquest.

Charles Johnson, of course, claims that there is no such thing as anti-white racism, but he is WRONG. It can even be heard on al Qaeda recordings, which he ought to know about already!

Obviously, (1) is anathema, while (2) should be acceptable to any reasonable person!

Epaminondas said...

Well, looks like I missed something yesterday.

1389 -Both David Duke and Vlaams Belang claim TODAY they are merely executing a cultural defense. I suppsoe you didn't bother with the links. My sources for this are the current words of both Dewinter and Duke. The degree your inner drives makes you see their REAL desires may distinguish between them. I have no such skills. Both are defending white culture.
This is Darwin. Just STOP ALL immigration and make babies. This is the opposite of the failures of European society for almost 3 generations.That bill is now due. The solution is up to you. I am observing this. But if you want people like me as allies (and I suspect you don't) defending what is functional white supremacy because that is how it was ('hey, we can't help history')
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That is precisely why there is a USA, europe's failure to have an ability to change without well, you can see what it takes, 1848, 1870, WW1, WW2, Euroabia

CS -Oh yeah, I have a picture of my uncle giving the finger to Dewinter, niener niener...don't you understand?

It's all anecdotal. "My uncle beat cancer by eating peach pits (laetrile)" I don't accept such argument from arabs about america AND JEWS when I get them (which is often) and it's not going to happen here

FACTS:Duke officially is against 'extremists jews' because he is defending white culture and sees them as the main threat. Dewinter has it the other way around with the muslims as the threat.

That's the difference in what they are claiming.

Don't try to convince me.

These facts should rather have significance for you.

I am done.

Pastorius said...

Yeah, but what I want to know, Epa, is, are you an extremist Jew?

;-)