’No contradiction between Islam and democracy,’ say EU political and religious leaders, urging stronger ties with Muslim world
From Will at The Other News:
Declaring that there was “no contradiction between Islam and democracy,” political and religious leaders of the European Union have called for more religious tolerance in Europe and its neighboring countries.
European Council President, Herman Van Rompuy, European Parliament President, Jerzy Buzek, European Commission President Manuel Barroso and representatives from Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Muslim communities gathered at EU headquarters in Brussels on Monday for an annual meeting at which freedom of religion and religious tolerance were the main topics.
“Arab people are liberating themselves,” Mr. Van Rompuy said at a news conference.
“These are their revolutions and we have common values.”The meeting was the second under the Lisbon Treaty, which formalized this open and regular dialogue between the EU and representatives of various religions.
Referring to the “Arab Spring,” Mr. Van Rompuy said: ”These revolutions are not the work of extremists or fanatics. On the contrary, it shows there is no contradiction between Islam and democracy as indeed is the case of the other religions.”
“Expectations of respect are great in the EU, the closest neighbors” to the Arab people, he said.Christian minorities in the Middle East are facing political and security challenges. They have been targeted in Iraq and forced to flee from Baghdad to Syria, Kurdistan and Europe.
The Coptic Christian minority in Egypt is also being targeted by Islamist groups. EU leaders raised the issue with top Egyptian officials in March, and at the G8 meeting last weekend in Deauville, France.
“Respect of religion is a fundamental right and it will be a test for the rule of law and democracy in Europe as well as in other countries,” Mr. Barroso, the European Commission president, said. He said that Egyptian officials gave a commitment to assure the security of the Copt minority.
The EU is proposing to its neighbors in the south to build a new “Partnership for Democracy and Shared Prosperity,” Mr. Barroso said. “The EU must be on the side of those who aspire to political freedom, social development and justice.”
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26 comments:
Pastorius,
The leaders of Europe are failing. They really need to accept reality. Should Europe completely ban Islam, and force even peaceful non liberal Muslims to abandon the faith? No. But the idea that it is the non Muslim Europeans who need to show more tolerance here is the opposite of what really needs to happen. European leaders are way too tolerate of Muslim fanatics making completely unreasonable demands.
’No contradiction between Islam and democracy’
Epaminondas,
Yeah I know, the donkey is smarter than you're average leftist - : )
Donkeys are conservative.
That ended with the death of Henry Jackson, Ron
Epaminondas,
I actually forgot that the donkey is the symbol of the democratic party. I guess this means the left is laughing at itself. - : )
Donkeys?
Maybe they are a bunch of pedophiles who go to islamic piece of shit countries after little boys or whatever!
’No contradiction between Islam and democracy,’ say EU political and religious leaders, urging stronger ties with Muslim world
Declaring that there was “no contradiction between Islam and democracy
Referring to the “Arab Spring,” Mr. Van Rompuy said: ”These revolutions are not the work of extremists or fanatics. On the contrary, it shows there is no contradiction between Islam and democracy as indeed is the case of the other religions.”
Christian minorities in the Middle East are facing political and security challenges. They have been targeted in Iraq and forced to flee from Baghdad to Syria, Kurdistan and Europe.
The Coptic Christian minority in Egypt is also being targeted by Islamist groups.
HEY VAN ROMPUY, MAKE AN IQ TEST, HUN!
Libya: Habeshia: Ethnic Cleansing Risk for Black Libyans
(ANSAmed) — Rome, May 25 — Black Libyans risk an ethnic cleansing action in Libya because of the determination against them by Libyans of Arab origin that sympathise with the rebels, who attack them as though they were Gaddafi’s mercenaries. Such is the warning raised by don Mussie Zerai, an Eritrean priest who in Rome presides the Habeshia cooperation and development agency and who reported the “massacre of 800 Africans in Misrata alone”.
He pointed out that the massacre was directly reported to him by African refugees who landed in Italy. It is allegedly documented in a number of videos of the Habeshia agency website that depict “cruel episodes and fury on lifeless bodies”, which are “manifestation of deep held hate”. In Libya there are two ethnic groups not of Arab origin, said don Zerai, and the risk that they may become the victims of ethnic cleansing during the bloody clashes between Gaddafi’s supporters and the rebels is very high......
Gah!
You can't make this shit up!
Why is the West so blind? Why? Why? Why?
You can't make this shit up!
Why is the West so blind? Why? Why? Why?
some think sufism is ok.
bullshit.
sufism and muslim brotherhood are connected.
EXPOSE SUFISM!
jihadwatch on sufism
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/02/bostom-sufism-without-camouflage-beyond-stephen-schwartz.html
oxford,
stealth-jihadist, muslim-brotherhood-member:
'Sufism is the heart of Sharia' - Tariq Ramadan
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D5FVYf_xBz3k
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=5FVYf_xBz3k
rene guenon freaky-bastard-sufi:
http://www.reneguenon.net/Ingles/InglpontualLivro.html
rene guenon freaky-bastard-fan:
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«Do you still believe in democracy?
The idea of this book goes back to 1981, when we intensely studied the masterly works of René Guénon . His work was something unknown and truly revolutionary for us intellectually, in the etymological sense of a return to the origins.
Several of Guénon’s books denounce modernity as being a monstrosity, the result of a rupture with all authentic traditions of humanity from its early origins. On the other hand, Guénon rescued for the West its true traditions, concordant in essence with the Eastern doctrines.
“Democracy” is just a modern tool in the service of materialism, of the massification of ignorance and mediocrity: its fundaments cannot seriously support themselves, as demonstrated on the very first lines of this book, and, notwithstanding, these fundaments have become true taboos. No one can criticize democracy without soon being labeled a “Nazi” , be it by the left wing or be it by the so-called liberals.
However, due to his high function and intellectual qualification, René Guénon addressed himself exclusively to a select minority. A plot of silence surrounds his works for almost a century, with the result of him being unknown, in spite of the importance of his books. Our aim is to reach a considerable number of people potentially capable of understanding the motives and backstage of the “democratic” farce tragically unrolling before our eyes, as long as furnished with sufficient and necessary arguments and information.
“Do You Still Believe in Democracy?” is the, no doubt imperfect, result of the project of putting forward some of Guénon’s decisive arguments to all those capable of understanding them. If, on one hand, they cruelly unmask the democratic farce, on the other, they rescue the true everlasting values of humanity, i.e., the transcendence implied in all authentic religions and sacred doctrines.
But we shouldn’t limit ourselves to denounce of the “democratic” farce or, in other words, to its total lack of principles. It is also necessary to demonstrate, even if superficially, how and when this anomaly was conceived and implemented. With this goal in mind we will examine some decisive historic facts, as the birth of the protestant movement and its terrible consequences: the materialism and the restless fight against the true traditional religions and doctrines.»
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«In no other place in the world the “democratic” (and protestant) idea went so far as in the United States, that nowadays commands with heavy hand the “globalization”. But, after all, what is this project of global hegemony? It is the imposition to all the countries, with no exception, of the materialistic and un-religious point of view of the “American democracy”. And for those countries that refuse to submit, the threat of invasion and military occupation.
The reader will be able to understand better the reasons and meaning of the “9/11” after he sees the causes and goals of the democratic ideology. The “9/11” is a typical American conspiracy , armed to serve as a trigger to the frontal war against all religions, in general, and Islam, specially.
As it is already an accomplished fact in Afghanistan and Iraq (Syria and Iran are the most probable next targets), the American-zionist goal is the invasion, occupation and imposition of the democratic ideology, with also, of course, the appropriation of natural resources of strategic importance, as oil and water.
The recent international political events aren’t isolated episodes or even steps in the geo-politic USA project. They are, as we can see in the next pages, something of incomparable wider scope, already announced in all the authentic traditional forms: the final war, with the materialistic point of view fighting all the true religions and doctrines (in last stance, fighting against God, as if it was a possibility), what represents nothing less that the end of a cycle of this mankind, with the advent of the Antichrist.»
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«Chapter I
The Democratic Illusion
One of the false cornerstones of “democracy” is the vote, which ideally should be a collective judgment on the art of governing. Still, no one could sincerely defend the eccentric idea that a majority is intellectually qualified and has sufficient knowledge about administration and government to the point of exercising judgment on these matters.
Maintaining due proportions, such equalitarian supposition would equate claiming that everyone is qualified, for example, for deliberating on a medical matter. A real situation, such as that of a person hit by a car, could well illustrate such absurdity. A person has just been hit and is seriously injured. A dozen curious onlookers anxiously observe the event. What is the plausible criterion for determining which among them can help the injured person? Naturally, those qualified to do it, that is, doctors or nurses. A voting would be entirely preposterous, for a majority is never qualified for medical, as well as administrational, functions.
This reasoning being valid regarding the destiny of a person hit by a car, it is evident that if we take in account the destiny of millions of individuals — which is what is involved in the case of government elections — we ascertain that it is a huge irresponsibility.
There are a variety of examples of the absurdity of the “democratic cornerstone” claiming the superiority of the majority, i.e., that an opinion defended by a greater number of individuals is superior to the one defended, for example, by a minority qualified for opining.
How could it be sustained that 200 bottles of cheap wine, just because of their number, hold a superior content to that of a single glass of topnotch wine?
Or else, how could it be claimed that 1450 individuals, of the most varied professions, will be better qualified than a single specialist for solving a matter of quantum physics?
At the origin of the Democratic Illusion lies a denial of natural hierarchy, a hierarchy that establishes itself from top to bottom, i.e., from the qualitatively highest, the spiritual, to the least high, the material, and that has its clearest expression in the Hindu Caste Doctrine. But the mentors of democracy projected it “based” on what is most coarsely material and quantitative.
The denial of the qualitative superiority and of hierarchy blossoms at the end of the Middle Ages, more precisely in the year 1303, with the destruction of the Temple Order by Philip, surnamed The Fair, then King of France. This monarch ordered a siege to the palace of the Pope, who died a few days later, humiliated from the offense. Philip, The Fair, then decides to force the nomination of a submissive Pope, one sympathetic with his greed and political projects, which were impossible under the tutelage of the current Pope. This historical event marc the rupture of the West with his own tradition, and the beginning of laicization.
Denial of the sacerdotal superiority (typical of the rebelled Kchatriya ) implicates a denial of the Single Principle, or God. But, respecting logic how is it possible to defend such denial? René Guénon’s study "The Demiurge" deals skillfully with this capital question.»
http://www.reneguenon.net/Ingles/InglpontualLivro.html
Okey doke. Don't agree with ya', but you're getting your say.
what is it that you don't agree with?
there's a chinese documentary against democracy that was aired on european TVs.
Oh, sorry. I didn't catch that "Rene Guenon" is a Sufi.
I see, so the Chinese Government ran this because it supports their dislike of Democracy.
I hate to tell you this, or you may already know it, but there are a lot of Traditionalist Christians who would support these same ideas.
I thought, when I read these ideas, and so the Anglicized name, that I was reading the idea of a Traditional Christian.
Obviously, the great preponderance of Christians do support Democracy, however.
I see, so the Chinese Government ran this because it supports their dislike of Democracy.
yeah! what a nerve to show it in my country!
I see, so the Chinese Government ran this because it supports their dislike of Democracy.
i know. just some decades ago they supported a ditactorship in my country and now they are praising that same ditactor.
i have to correct my post:
I see, so the Chinese Government ran this because it supports their dislike of Democracy.
yeah! what a nerve to show it in my country!
I hate to tell you this, or you may already know it, but there are a lot of Traditionalist Christians who would support these same ideas.
i know. just some decades ago they supported a ditactorship in my country and now they are praising that same ditactor.
Are you from China?
If you are from China that might help explain some stuff;
1) in the circumcision thread you want to know "what god is that?"
and
2) it might explain why your comments are consistently labeled as spam.
I have a feeling your government is attempting to stop you from posting here at IBA.
It is likely we are banned in China.
We are banned in most Middle Eastern countries.
i'm not from china, i'm not from middle eastern countries.
no strawman!
-that might help explain some stuff;
1) in the circumcision thread you want to know "what god is that?"
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-Pastorius said...
Alex,
Frankly, my man, as a Jewish guy, you are lying to yourself.
Do you believe in the God of the Bible, or don't you?
If you don't, then fine, go ahead and don't believe.
For God's sake, why do I have to argue with a Jew over this.
Sheesh.
Saturday, June 04, 2011 3:23:00 PM
CHRISTIAN, YOU SHOULDN'T DO CIRCUMCISION! PERIOD!
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no strawman!
-that might help explain some stuff;
1) in the circumcision thread you want to know "what god is that?"
-It is to say, those who were more educated in America tended to be educated at Christian Universities, because every major University in the United States began as a Bible-believing Christian University (including Haravd, yes that is true), and so we did it traditionally, and what is tradition sticks, often.
huh? what god is that?
-Pastorius said...
Alex,
Frankly, my man, as a Jewish guy, you are lying to yourself.
Do you believe in the God of the Bible, or don't you?
If you don't, then fine, go ahead and don't believe.
For God's sake, why do I have to argue with a Jew over this.
Sheesh.
Saturday, June 04, 2011 3:23:00 PM
CHRISTIAN, YOU SHOULDN'T DO CIRCUMCISION! PERIOD!
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