MILAN - A Milan court has issued a European arrest warrant for 22 CIA agents suspected of kidnapping an Egyptian cleric from Italy’s financial capital in 2003, Prosecutor Armando Spataro said on Friday.Since I have an actual Italian person around me 24-7 who I can bug with questions like this, I decided to ask my wife what she thought about the warrant.
Milan magistrates suspect a CIA team grabbed Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr off a Milan street and flew him for interrogation to Egypt, where he said he was tortured.
Prosecutors asked the Italian Justice Ministry last month to seek the extradition of the suspects from the United States, but Justice Minister Roberto Castelli has not yet decided whether to act on the request.
A European Union warrant is automatically valid across the 25-nation bloc and does not require approval of any government.
The warrant was agreed by the European Union in the wake of the Sept 11 attacks on the United States in 2001 and was hailed as a key part of the bloc’s fight against terrorism. [coulda fooled me --ed.]
Spataro told Reuters he had also asked Interpol to try to detain the suspects anywhere in the world.
Earlier this week, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said he did not believe CIA agents had kidnapped Nasr, but added that governments were not going to defeat terrorism by playing by the rules.
Justice officials believe Nasr, also known as Abu Omar, is still in custody in Egypt. Italian investigators have accused him of ties to al-Qaida and recruiting combatants for Iraq, and a Milan judge has issued a warrant for his arrest.
"Well, the judge was right! That's typical of you Americans. You go into other peoples' countries and think you can do what you want."
"But honey, what if the guy was a dangerous terrorist?"
"Well, you could have asked permission, or worked with SISDE" (the Italian equivalent of the CIA/NSA).
(Bear in mind that my wife is as strong a supporter of the GWoT as any European you're likely to meet. I was taken aback. So I decided to explore the matter with some more questions.)
"So, you don't think your government knew anything about it? Not even Berlusconi? According to the article, he said that governments can't defeat terrorism by playing by the rules."
"Maybe they did."
"You make a good point: We should not treat our allies in this war with disrespect--especially ones as loyal as the Italians have been. But as good as your secret services and spec ops forces have been in finding and arresting terrorists here in Italy, it seems strange that we would have to do this at all--and impossible that we could have done so without them knowing about it. Why do you think we did?"
"Well, you remember the time that that judge in Milano let those terrorists go?"
"Yeah. The ones she said weren't terrorists because they were recuriting and supplying Iraqi insurgents, who are guerillas, not terrorists."
"Right. Maybe Berlusconi thought that they would just be freed by a judge who was anti-American or had been bought off by the Muslims, and that's why he allowed it."
After my wife and I talked this out, she began to consider the matter from another point of view. But I hope our government takes these kinds of perceptions into consideration. To wit:
1. As much as I love my country, I have to admit that we do sometimes have this reputation, whether or not it is wholly deserved.
2. Most Italians (and people in other countries allied with us in the GWoT do not have the chance to experience these kinds of one-on-one exchanges that might have a chance of countering the anti-American spin of their national media.
3. The average Italian aside, there are a significant number of Italian elites--especially in the media and the judiciary--that embrace the values and vision of the not-at-all-America-friendly European Union. The judge who issued the warrant as an EU warrant is a perfect example. His attempt at recuriting Interpol to give that warrant teeth is another example of the EU attempting to extend the authority of its system of governance by regulating people to death beyond the boundries of its member states.
I am not proposing that we should try to win the hearts and minds of the transnationalists, whether in the EU or elsewhere. Indeed, they and their kind form another front in the war we are fighting not only against Islamic terrorism; but ultimately for the values of human dignity and human freedom. But I do hope that we are taking care about not only the steps we are taking to win this war, but the way in which those steps are being perceived--especially by those who are sacrificing their blood and treasure to lend us a hand.
Welcome, Someguy. I agree that is the perfect title, isn't it?
You know that saying, Where there's smoke, there's fire. I figure there must be some truth to all these accusations hurled at the United States. But, I can't understand the level of hatred.
It seems out of proportion.
Just more pathetic showey bureaucracy from the EU. This will certainly have no standing any European country. Even France. Even if some petty officers got hold of any CIA operatives (extremely unlikely) any sane government would immediately issue orders for release.
In one word this is just bollocks. I'm sure the CIA are shaking in their collective boots.
Is the anti american perception generated by generations (since the pershing) of baloney worth NOT getting killers and picking their brains ?
Its case by case, but based on Germany letting one of the killers of Mr. Stethem go, I'd say YES.
Get the SOB's wherever they are and tell our allies, we are coming after the killers in a world war, and ask them to remember where they live (in open societies, which remain that way because we have a lot of tough SOB's guarding us all). So sorry, really and truly.
Epaminodas: I absolutely agree with your point. I did not--and do not--mean to suggest that we should give up the tactic of seizing terrorist suspects wherever we can find them and trying to extract whatever information we can get out of them that will help us thwart future attacks. (If I left that impression, then I blew it in terms of what I meant to say.)
There are EU countries like Italy where we have not only the support of the elected government, but that of a significant portion (though by no means a majority) of the people elegible to re-elect Berlusconi come this spring. That the EU itself is, in the main, hostile to our efforts in the GWoT has been documented six ways to Sunday.
So yes, we need to continue to conduct such operations as the opportunities present themselves. But insofar as it's possible, I think we need to do so in a way that the voters who vote for (or against) leaders who support the GWoT continue to vote for those leaders?
I'm afraid to ask since I've probably done in my point with my infamous wordiness, but does that make sense?
Second-to-last para. should have ended with a period.
Someguy-Never thought you were.
Just making the point that while we are being sensitive to others real problems, we need to reinforce the long view, and iron hard necessities.
It is in such places (IMHO), as well as involving the general populace here that GWB has done worst
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