Listen up IBA and especially FOX News. You are all wrong! There are no Muslim riots in
“The riots, as anyone who lives in
will attest, are nothing to do with jihad - and are nothing to do with religion. They are the result of a combination of an oppressive police force, a lack of hope and an appallingly easy recourse to violence. France
So says today’s article at Paris Link.
We have received several e-mails from the
USclaiming that the riots taking place in the suburbs of 's major cities are part of an Islamic jihad. We want to take this opportunity to put the record straight. They are not. They are nothing to do with religion, and not all of the rioters are Muslim... Fox News would do well to learn. This may seem like a radical statement to the Fox News-watching public who have seen headlines like " France in Flames", but the vast majority of its immigrants are proud to be French. In fact, the vast majority of Muslims in France are very happy to live in a secular society, and the current rioting is not an Islamic jihad. All of this may make me sound like a liberal loony, but it is the truth. One e-mail I received this morning called for France Franceand Europeto have more "cojones" in tackling the Islamic menace. The fact is that Francehas more experience and more "cojones" when it comes to tackling radical Islam, than any other country in Europe.
Here’s the real problem according to Paris Link.
First of all, though, it pays to understand these suburbs.
's first wave of immigration from its former colonies resulted in the housing estates that we see today. The de Gaulle government created the miserable tower blocks to the north and south of France , and around other major French cities that we see today. Their expectation was that the immigrants would do their job and leave. At no point did de Gaulle or his government consider that the immigrants would wish to stay in Paris . This in itself caused problems. The immigrants came with their families. The children of these immigrants, born on French territory, were French. They grew up between cultures - that of their family, to which the original immigrants clung on to, and that of the République, which is enforced by the state. France 's political élite has never been able to truly tackle the growing problem of the suburbs. Refuting positive discrimination as a non-republican measure, they fall back on the idea that the République makes everyone equal. However, if your name is Mohammed and you are applying for a job - good luck, you're on your own. The noble aims of the République leave room for the ignoble roots of racism to take hold. The result today is that the children of the immigrants, and even their children - are NOT immigrants. They are citizens of the Republic, on a par with Dominique de Villepin and his ilk. At least, that's what the Republic says. They have French nationality, and they have no problem with secularism. France
So whose fault is it?
They do have a problem with the police.
is repeatedly hauled in front of the European Commission of Human Rights for its police brutality. This is not fiction, and it is not myth - there is a minority of police officers in France who are overtly racist, and who regularly attack youths of immigrant origin. They only ask coloured youths for identity papers - never whites. Further to this, the removal by Nicolas Sarkozy of the police de proximité meant that the local police force that operated in the suburbs around France 's major cities was replaced by a less welcoming CRS force, told not to repair links with these communities, but to punish them. France
And of course….
Lack of jobs, lack of hope, police brutality and a desolate landscape add up to one thing: trouble. It is simplistic and wrong to say that these youths are muslims - in many cases they are not in fact Muslims, and religion does not enter into the equation. The riots are part of an on-going confrontation with police officers in which they see themselves as the oppressed opposition. They are the result of a combination of an oppressive police force, a lack of hope and an appalingly easy recourse to violence. They should be condemned and ended as soon as possible, but it is wrong and it is dangerous to say that it is anything to do with radical Islam.
So all is peachy keen with Muslims in
je ne seen nowt bout it on uk tele-vis-eeeon!!!!
porquois? une touchy subject non?
Silly me. Jumping to conclusions as always.
They can't help saying Allahu Akbar. Society brought them to this place. Society prepares the crime, the criminal just says, Allahu Akbar."
Who the heck is that chick?
This fisked article is worth considering, even if in the end I disagree with it. For frankly I suspect that these rioters/arsonists/assaulters operate for the most part within a moral and civic anarchy having very little to do with devotion to Islam, but -- and this is the pickle French state is in -- very little devotion to "France." At the same time us "counter-jihadists" have a duty to peg the exact sources of Islamic inspiration and coordination of these destablizing riots. Reporting that the young men are saying "Allah Akbar" is not enough.
If we think that they are all a lost generation, all but reaped by the whirlwind of jihad, then what else is there to do but round them up and deport them? But the very hard work is to insist on civil and civic answers to these problems. "Go back to your shitty banlieues" won't cut it.
If Mark Steyn's comment in his recent "blogversation" is to be taken as reliable -- that the old Le Pen neonationalism is of limited import, then we have to press the French state to implement serious reforms that pull these "youths" into normalcy.
Implementing the sternest measures of force to restore order (which I support) should not be incompatible with clear reform initiatives as well. But we have to think and articulate better than all the leftover Communists and socialists that dominate leftwing politics over there.
Pastorius, you're getting old. It's Uma Thurman in "Kill Bill".
Pics too small. I saw the movie. Loved it.
Just for the record, I'm only in my early 40's.
Despite there being nothing on TV, al-Beeb's website has an unusually taqiyya-free article suggesting that these disturbances are organised by some sort of command structure:
"The increasingly organised nature of violence is highlighted in a recent report by the interior ministry's intelligence service.
A future wave of suburban disturbances, it warns darkly, could target "the last remaining institutional representatives in a number of areas - the police".
According to Mr Trotignon, the attacks are the work of teams structured along military lines.
"Operations are planned by senior commanders, with underlings making emergency calls and the foot soldiers carrying out the assaults," he says.
This is a vital story, but the BBC link didn't work, do you have another one?
Just checked the link by copying and pasting into the address field and it worked OK at 9.10 GMT 1-NOV-2006.
Got it. Thanks, bloke!
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