REUTERS: Egypt blames Iran and its allies for Gaza conflict
CAIRO: Egypt aired its grievances against Iran, the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas and the Lebanese Shia group Hezbollah, saying they worked together in the fighting over Gaza to provoke conflict in the Middle East.
“(They tried) to turn the region to confrontation in the interest of Iran, which is trying to use its cards to escape Western pressure ... on the nuclear file,” Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said in an interview with Orbit satellite channel broadcast yesterday.
- THE ARAB LEADERSHIP KNOWS THAT THE BAD GUY IS NOT ISRAEL, BUT IRAN.
- IT USED TO BE THAT HATRED OF ISRAEL UNTIED THEM, BUT MORE AND MORE IT'S FEAR OF IRAN.
- SECRETLY, I BETCHYA, THEY ALL WANT ISRAEL TO TAKE CARE OF IRAN.
Egyption leaders are a group of liers. The reason behind the war is
the Israeli crimes against palestinians, and the occupation. search the internet and read about the zionist crimes against palestinians and you fing the Israel does not want peace the want the control of the Arab countries and to act as a superpower. read bout this snake who gets over 6 billions dollars from American Taxpayers a year and also it the first country in the world who spies on USA and smugles guns and Uzes machine guns in black and hispanic neibourhoods. Again read and search about it. Last why Politicians say nothing and insist Israel is afriend ?.
Well said SuperNeil, nobody should heed to hamas propoganda and terrorist attitude. I guess these democrats are too week in case of security issues. Anyways we will always stand behind israel. Just see what has happened to sderot from so many years of stupid iranian made rocket attacks.
Anonymous... your comment seems like that of an angry, immature, illiterate child. You tell others to SEARCH for the facts but if you had any, you would have, in the very least, linked to a couple, or linked to the Google search you believed to be most revealing. I hate to say it because I want to give people, sometimes, several chances, but the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. If what you say is true, that Israel took Palestinian land, and the Pals actions are justified, then step the fuck back and let the war play out to its conclusion. It's because losers keep stepping in to pity the poor sociopaths that their virulent ideology has them suffering perpetual containment.
YOU are the one who needs to do more searching... and growing up.
The Hamas leadership has a faint and dubious mentality that leads Gaza to nowhere.Selfish and empty pride full of lies and deceit,the destroy the peace,joy and happiness of their own blood and people.There is no effect without a cause.Hamas dragged Israel into fighting by their provocative and destructive terrorist actions.It is but very ligitimate that the government of Israel protect its people from harsh,wicked and envious enemies.Any Arab country will do thesame should another nation attack its people.The Hamas leaders hate the Palestinian and especially Gaza people for their very own selfish reasons.They seem happy to see children suffer,lack education and food,women dying and their men starving and lacking in fulfilling the responsibilities of the house heads.This way,the people remain loyal to their harsh,tyraqnic and despotic leadership.They are the very first enemy to their own land and people.But my advise to the Gaza people is that,they are no less than the trees and stars of the universe and have a right as well as the people of Israel do,to life,education,safety,health,enjoyment,peace and freedom of movements and expressions.They should make the laws,for they are the law.Stand up for your rights therefore and tell those few blood tasty tyrants who claim to be your leaders that they are destroy more than they build and that you want some quiet and peace and a better future for your children and better opportunities for them as well as other children elsewhere in the world.You people of Gaza have a greater part to play for your liberation from these wars,destructions and enclavements.If you stand up to the righteous practices of Prophet Mohamed and let your cries out loud,Allah will hear you all.Your leaders are not true muslim practicing leaders,else they will see that they are leading you to the very wrong direction and future.The blood of your children will be upon their heads.
"Look before you leap".
It is because the Hamas that is in control of Palestine now that does not recognize Israel's right to exist. The conflicts that have happened are all because of this. Take note that Israel did not start any of the past three "wars" when the combined gulf countries started the "Drive Israel back into the sea". Israel have given back territories they took the moment the countries recognise Israel's right to exist.
Anyway the Hamas are ready to negotiate peace according to news.
I have read a good information about Zionism in here
now, the real question is, what is the connection of zionism in israel as a country and it's connection to the palestinian and the peace that we hope happened in middle east.
UNTIL WE ALL DECIDE TO FORGIVE THE PAINS WE ALL FEEL(BOTH GENUINE AND FALSE), THE WAR CANNOT STOP.-TONY
The fact is "light and darkness can never live together in peace, however light will continue to prevail" therefore Isreal is a light and all other muslim worlds that do not love the peace of mankind are the darkness i am talking about. I owe nobody any apology and i am not afraid of anybody born of woman.. Isreal will continue to defend themselves and by the special of GOD, the MAKER OF all mankind, My daily prayer is that Victory will continue to be the portion of the isrealites. I love everyone who love peace!!!
The Arab leaders in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Abbas (palestine) have been castrated. They have no balls to speak against the crime while it was being committed. They should burrow into the sands and dont surface until doomsday. Instead of calling a spade a spade they gave rhetorical speech to appease only the fools of the world. wake up you camels, throw your towelheads into the ground, by your actions you are condoning the killing innocent children by the jews.
israel.... in 'Torah' God says to jews, 'Did u forget u were the most ruthless and spiteful.. hauling skins of people and chewing their bones..'
One quote from Hitler’s autobiography just come to my mind and I wonder, how true he was, “ I could have annihilated all the jews in the world, but I left some of them so will know why I was killing them..
They tortured Jesus.. nailed him..
They only know the language of might.. power.. they are the autual bone of contention in peace of this planet..
Have any body read the ‘Merchant of venice’ by Shakespare.. you would know the truth behind jew mentality..
west and especially British were the genius who transplant this cancer from their lands into Arabs.. and the problem is that at this point of time, Arabs are without might and so they have no right..
But if the God is true, he will keep his promise.. The Holy land is not for the cruel and goons..
Arabs should be smart to recognize the Iranian game-keep them focused on Israel-a distraction-while it continues to develp, in order to dominate them one day.
Arabs should see Jews as natural allies. If I'm a Palestinian I would take what I can get and build a state. We already have Mecca, Medina, etc. Afterall God doesn't live in 'holy places'. The Al Aqsa isn't worth the life of any of the Palestinians or the Israelis that died in the last war, occasioned by firing of mssiles into Israel with the intent to kill thousands.
haMAS IS A GROUP OF TERRORISTS SLEEPING WITH IRAN AND LACKS ANY SESE OF PROVIDING FOR ITS PEOPLE. ITS A TERRORIST STATE NOW AND WILL BE UNTIL THE PEOPLE RELIZE THEY ARE HELPING A ORGANIZATION THAT USES ITS PEOPLE TO GET AND HAVE THE SUFFERING OCCUR TO PLEDGE TO THE WORLD. BOTTOM LINE YOU MAYSHOOT AT ME MY NEIGHBOR BUT WHEN YOU SHOOT AT MY HOUSE DON'T COMPLAIN . YOU HAMAS GUYS MIGHT SEE THE BULLET'S COMING BACK IS JUST A BIT BIGGER. THE PEOPLE SUFFER BECAUSE OF HAMAS AND ITS INSANITY. UNCIVILIZE LEADERSHIP.
Anonymous... The one who made this comment
Pol Pot action in Cambodia can be proven where is the proof that the german gassed 6 millions
Pol Pot did not have ovens
Okay, when the Allies liberated the death camps, there was enough evidence to indict Germany.
There is photographic evidence, including photos of corpses being bulldozed into mass graves as there where so many, we do not have to produce bones and skulls.
Those mass graves do contain the remains of the victims of the nazis, just as much as the mass grave in Mecca contains the remains of the 800 Jews that Mohammed murdered as faithfully recorded in the unholy sciptures of islam.
One thing that strikes me as incredible, much of the evidence is from documents and records the Germans themselves made, we see that muslims also do the same, we only have to look at their literature, and see how they indict themselves.
God will have sympathy on Arabs when they demonstrate over Darfur the way they did over Gaza.
hmmm. it is really sad the level of bloodshed happening in Gaza.the peace in that area was shattered after the militant group hamas forcefully seized power from mahmoud abbas fatah movement in Gaza. but instead of Hamas to use the illgotten power to try and develope and deliver their people from poverty and insecurity, it is unfortunate that they use state funds to sponsor terrorism and no sensible government will stay aloof and watch the destruction of its people by terrorists like hamas. before going further, it will interest all to note the historical isms and schisms that have pervaded life in this region. as a christian i must not hesitate to mention all Bible prophecy concerning israel and their neighbours. That is what is playing out now. i understand that the restoration of peace in the middle east will usher in the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. As for the Palestinians, i hope they realize that this Hamas group doesnt mean well for them and their children. the earlier they realize this the better for them and their children's children. they should seize the opportunity to vote this hamas group out of power soon as the opportunity presents itself.
We 'black' africans will one day ask 'white' arabs about the trans saharan slave trade that lasted for 1300 years. 1300 years of arabs hunting africans, chaining them together, flogging them accross the sahara, to be sold off, to work for arabs, and to be used as sex slaves. its unfortunate that millions of africans are fooling themselves by identifying themselves a muslims. arabs and europeans need to think of their crimes against africans, and jews.arabs 'feel' injustice against them because they don't know their history.
Were the Israelis right to force many Arabs off their land in the late 1940s? No
The Israelis did not drive the arabs of their land, They were told to get out of the way so that Arab armies would have an easier time committing genocide: as the foreign Arab armies advanced, they broadcast charming little radio messages to local Arabs about how they were about to cleanse Palestine of Jew. They told local Arabs to get out of the way so that the Arab armies could conduct their "war of extermination and a momentous massacre" without having to worry about hurting innocents (read: non-Jews). Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, said that "we will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down." United recently these statements were not really in dispute. In the 1950s it wasn't all that controversial for a Palestinian refugee to complain in a Jordanian newspaper that "[t]he Arab government told us: get out so that we can get in". An official from the London Arab League Office could state matter-of-factly that "this wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boastings of an unrealistic Arabic press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to reenter and retake possession of their country". In many cases it was Arab armies themselves that expelled Arab villagers to make it easier for them to control the territory they were intending to overrun: even at the height of his blame-Israel scholarship, uber-New Historian Benny Morris (the founder of revisionist post-Zionist historiography) never denied that incontrovertible evidence exists for the claim that Arab soldiers repeatedly ordered Arab women and children out of villages, with Arab men following afterwards. These statements are all quite well-documented, and most Arabs didn't dream of denying them - until people realized that if you cocoon activists in insulated academic communities for long enough, you can just shamelessly lie.
They were bribed with the promise of Jewish property: Arab villagers were also told that if they left they could come back to their villages later and pick up all the possessions of the by-then recently-murdered Jews. News of massacres of Jewish fighters and villagers by Arab invaders undoubtedly gave credence to these claims. The "Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha... pointed out that they were already on the frontiers and that all the millions the Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean... advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down." It is now indisputable that up to 10 percent of the Arabs who are described as 'fleeing' from the Jewish state left before Israel even existed. They left because they knew that the Arab armies would attack the Jews sooner or later (and how did they know this even though we all know that Arab anti-Semitism didn't exist until the State of Israel... they must have been really good guessers). Declassified British documents about this phenomenon are also now regularly quoted back at anti-Israel advocates who deny that Arabs ever left their homes voluntarily.
They were inspired by actual and constructed fear of Jews: Let's be blunt - in what was a civil war that had been simmering for decades, there were atrocities. There were undoubtedly some incidents where local Jews expelled local Arabs, although back then there was actually some credibility to the 'cycle of violence' claim of tit for tat ethnic retaliations. Many times the Jews were genuinely afraid that local Arabs would embrace the Mufti's call to his "Moslem brothers" to "murder all the Jews". Other times, there were some Jews who just didn't want to live among Arabs - many were sick of conflict, and some had been building up resentment for years in the face of the whole 'Arab irregulars murdering Jews' thing. But two claims have been blown way, way out of proportions.
i wouldn't take 'prophesies' seriously. more nigerians were killed in jos, than in gaza. evangelizing religions like xtianity and islam have caused all the problem by feeding people with lies.
The beast has slouched towards Jerusalem in this time of ours.
It has given birth to a monstrocity which can only be stopped by the angelic riders of Badr.
But this requires the Muslim to return to Allah.
Ibrahim Abdullah, Singapore
Good you mention Nigeria
Wasnt it Nigerian muslims with the help of white arabs that bombed Biafra, and one of the only nations that help Biafra where the (racist) Israelis
You are all very silly and immature people. History is written by those who "win".
Let's just say this, and leave it to work itself out:
Zionism, Nazism, Islamic Fundamentalism, the White Supremacist movement, KKK..
ARE ALL THE SAME.
Let's also say this, to make it a bit easier to work itself out:
Hatred of other races is probably rooted in insecurity.. posing as/in denial of its very opposite, which only curiosity and open communication can dissolve.
Israel bullies Palestine like the once-fat kid in school bullies the only other fat kid in school.. they're cut from the same cloth, they mirror each other, and Israel hates that.
I am a JEW.. but I find Zionism a symptom of, and a child of, Nazism.
People need to eat more ..Manna, maybe burn the Presence Bread on their altar and breath in the Column Of Cloud which guided Moses (search the Old Testament for these terms.. and wonder what they reefer to lol)
Anyone who spends time arguing and bashing around about this is PART OF THE PROBLEM.
Sensitizing people and promoting others' tendencies to see the similarities and common ground, not the differences, between their and others' races or lifestyles.. can turn this insecurity and fear and hatred into something rather enriching.
Ibrahim Abdullah, Singapore
Where were the angelic riders of Badr in February 1942, they where no where to be seen when the Japanese kicked the arse of the British, while you dogs where hiding along with the so called angels.
And let us not forget it was the Kufr not malays that liberated Malaysia/Singapore for you whining curs
People need to eat more ..Manna, maybe burn the Presence Bread on their altar and breath in the Column Of Cloud which guided Moses (search the Old Testament for these terms.. and wonder what they reefer to lol)"
Maybe that's what they refeer to in YOUR mind, lol.
Time to throw the weed away, brother! Or do you always walk around not making sense?
The truth of this matter is no one seats in his house and wait for any idiot to come and beat up his wife and kids then go and clap his hands.
Isreal has the right to self defense and if you provoke a man he will do any thing to defend him self so all this jihadist causing problems across the globe this is high time you know that you dont get peace by sending rockets into another mans domain and expect the man to come begging you to stop.
Iran and Syria are the people to blame in this crises rocking Middle east.
If Iran thinks they can acquire nuclear arms just to fight Isreal and its Allies they are wasting time because under one day that dream will be chartered into pieces by God's own people.
Someone said that where is the proof of 6 million people murdered by the Nazis..... well if you actually read history you will know that the Nazis plan was to get rid of the millions of bodies by burning them. Also burning the bodies helped solve another problem... you cannot bury 6 million bodies that are generated in such a little time. Also it is know about how many solders died because of the war, which is much much higher then the 6 million Jews that were killed. Thus it is not hard to believe that 6 million could be killed.
Iran and Syria are both evil, and both should be nuked straight to hell where they belong. We need to send all those people that think it is ok to have a suicide bomber and kill innocent people straight to hell where they belong and will end up there anyway.
'Nice' to see that this blog supports Dutch national-socialist Geert Wilders.
The man who compared 'the fascist Quran' to 'Mein Kampf'.
The man who wants the Dutch army to cleanse and purge cities nationwide of muslim youth.
Peter de Wit,
It is really sad that so many people keep blaming one another for being the culprit in this horrible tragedy of human destruction..
If anyone should think in a logical manner, especially when claiming to fear God, it would seem normal and plausible that we would not in any possible way consider resolving any dispute or difference by blowing each other to peaces. This to me seems to be the solution of irrational people without any normal functioning brains. So, please, wake up you people, if you really want to live, and save the world from total human extinction.
We should make a law that the body of every terrorist would instead of being buried or thought of as a martr would be fed to the hogs to eat. Maybe if they realized an extreme violent religion is nothing but a terrorist whose body gets fed to hogs and spirit goes straight to hell that would make them think twice.
it seems pretty obvious that setting up israel was a mistake -- it was pretty obvious at the time to everyone in the middle east. a group of countries on one side of the world sets up a new nation on someone else's land on the other side of the world? what sense did that possibly make? how was that possibly legal, let alone moral? it was a stupid, short-sighted move driven by guilt for what was allowed to happen in germany, which was indeed horrible. but if the jews needed a sanctuary, they should have been given germany, not the land of the palestinians who had nothing to do with the holocaust. if that land is deeded to them by god, let him fulfill that contract, it was not up to secular super powers to make good on the torah's promise.
This one huge mistake in 1948 is the root of the middle east's ongoing problems, it seems.
the animosity between or amoung the neighboring countries date as far as we can recall in our study of history, and in the end, all we can really do is point our fingers on those powers that made these countries hate and fight each other because of greed. the agency made devils out of their people in the areas of conflict and when they were not able to contain them, they placed others to replace them. the cycle is forever. remember that the circle has no end....
One thing that every African and African American should ask themselves
" why is there no descendants of African slaves in Saudi, yet there are so many in America, despite the fact the Arabs where transporting slave for more than 1500 years compared to the translantic trade of several hundred years "
Well so as to not pollute the Arab blood, the african slaves had their balls cut off
Yes Obi it is time for the black to look at the the religion of peace meant for Africa
the animosity between or among the neighboring countries date as far as we can recall in our study of history..
Hmm Hmm, most of this countries lived in relative peace until islam raised its ugly head
At the time of Mohammed the Jewish population was about 50%, but mohammed soon changed that.
This war of Religions are fought based on the EGO'S of Individuals and there Ideologies. Its sad that its the poor people that do the fighting to preserve there way of life. The heads never are at the fore front fighting
How fair is a "WAR" when one side has all the modern weapons and is freely funded. What would the war look like if both side had the same weapons I wonder...
All in all I think both sides should just come to a understanding and share equally or individually in the way there country or Regions should be run and governed.
We all just want to live in harmony and have our children grow up in a peaceful Enviroment. Use our minds to create and preserve not destroy.
The funny thing is someone gets Richer off all this fighting.
'Nice' to see that this blog supports Dutch national-socialist Geert Wilders.
The man who compared 'the fascist Quran' to 'Mein Kampf'.
The man who wants the Dutch army to cleanse and purge cities nationwide of muslim youth.
Peter de Wit, Amsterdam
Well Peter the White
Why dont you call Wilders a Nazi right out, and crawl back to Stormfront, you scum bag
No one seems to know what the hell they are talking about here! Lets all look at what happened to the Egyptian people, who have a peace treaty with Isreal:
They dont have enough food!!! Even with a Peace treaty, nothing has changed! Isreal is a Nuclear regional superpower, backed by the ONLY SUPERPOWER in the world! Yet they were defeated twice in Southern Lebanon, in 2000, and 2006. Which other arab nation has ever deafeated the "Mythical" "IDF". So if 6 million jews were killed 60 years ago, Does that justify killing innocent civilians today, what kind of GOD "promises" land forever? Americans have been trying to cause a secatarian split in the middle east for a very long time with no success,
Bush would have loved to attack Iran before leaving, but Isreal was too Scared. Just like in 2006, when he said Isreal will destroy H*izbollah
NO surprize here. As the second largest reciepient of American welfare, the Mubarak regieme better tow the American and Israeli line.
As for the Islam bashing on this blog; well the racists always need a place to go and roost. Its no longer ok to hate blacks, Indians, china men, latinos, Africans... so lets find some brown people to despise.
The fact is there are half a dozen plus Muslim countries under "Infidel" (Jews call you Goyem) control: Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mindinao. Can you name me one non-Muslim Country, state, province, region or anything under Muslim domination. Good luck, there aren't any.
Why are Muslims mad as hell and fired up? Any one with foreign troops on their land would be. Get them the hell out, and the Muslims would be just fine. IF anything their reaction as been muted considering the violence committed against them.
Ayan what a moronic load of claptrap to believe .."well the racists always need a place to go and roost. Its no longer ok to hate blacks, Indians, china men, latinos, Africans... so lets find some brown people to despise."
Plenty of muslims are white.
It's not color, it's 9:29. It's not the nation, it's not quoting ALL of 5:32. It's not what jews say it's what the quran says, APES AND PIGS, the Stone and the TREE Hadiths.
JUst read THESE
Get this straight... that some people believe the Quran is the uncreated word of a perfect being means that this perfect being is a racist who utters hate speech. Either that oR...... FILL IT IN.
That is your problem.
Belief that the Quran is immutable frees ignoramuses to slaughter, engage in genocide and conquest with untrammeled consciences
That is the source of this clash.
No, Ayan is correct. There is plenty of hate speach in both the Torah and the Q'ran, but it is not the source of the conflict. The source is the same as the source of all conflicts - people rise up when they are occupied, when they are oppressed and when they are poor or hungry. Create any one or combination of these circumstances, as we have done in the Middle East, in part by creating Israel itself, and you will have conflict. And, thus, we do have it and will continue to have it until circumstances are changed. People with good jobs, bright futures and the freedom to rule themselves seldome if ever create big problems. Even Germany only went down the wrong road because its people were starving and willing to believe and do anything to improve their lot.
NO anon, the comparison is TOTALLY false and for this reason.
NO ONE claims the torah to be the unchanged word of a perfect being which MUST BE OBEYED
Anyone who is a muslim MUST believe the Quran IS.
"Even Germany only went down the wrong road because its people were starving and willing to believe and do anything to improve their lot."
Sorry Germany was just part of THIS
You are spouting absolute HARAM BALONEY
I had to pick you out because your posts are out and out funny. You are the most idiotic AIPAC mouth piece on here. Your comment on Malay really stuck out. Now why the hell would the Malays fight to defend a colonial power like the British? And, they weren't liberated by the Allies, but recaptured. In the 1950's the British launched a very violent counter insurgency against the Malay people killing hundreds and thousands of them. So this was no liberation. They were much better treated by the Japs.
Liberty came the same way it did to America, Algeria, Libia, Egypt, Kenya, Rhodesia (Zim), Vietnam, Angola, Namibia, Congo and oh, I can just keep going. If Hitler hadn't weakened France and Britain, who knows maybe they would still be holding on to colonies. In other words, European colonists (whether Zionist or British or Belgian) will hold onto other people's land and exploit it until the are driven out by the gun or weakened internally. We have seen this time and time again. Israel is the just the latest example. But they too will be driven out; and Arabs and Jews can finally live in a unified ONE STATE, called Palestine like they have done for thousands of years. And not in this modern Apartheid state.
thiers lies, damn lies, then a muslim opening his mouth.....
gosh, I don't even know what haram means, so i guess i'll have to take your word for it. my understanding of the torah was that it was the law according to moses -- a man who instructed his people to commit total genocide, if i recall my old testament correctly. more than once, no? this is a celebrated part of jewish heritage, i thought.
but that does not excuse any genocide that has taken place since.
i just think, as do many americans, that we are wasting our money trying to continue to prop up israel when most of us don't even see a reason for it to be there -- let alone to continue to cause problems in the region perpetually. i suspect if we quit giving them weapons and quit sending them money - including from private u.s. citizens, they would quickly find a way to get along with their neighbors or cease to exist. this would save the u.s. much blood and treasure and better position us for peace with the rest of the middle east.
in other words, i simply see no "right" for israel to exist -- and i know many, many non-political u.s. citizens to feel the same way. many of us wonder just why we are so beholden to israel, when all it does is cause trouble for us and conflict in the region.
the point is, i don't have to convince you -- you have to convince me. because i do not have a personal stake in this issue, like most americans. and if you do not convince us, support for israel is going to go away at some point. i don't wish ill to anyone, but i don't see a reason to pay money and give up lives for a conflict in which i have no interest.
you simply dont see any right for israel to exist??? ok see this--- the un said they could! do you see any reason for jordan to exist?? its a recently formed nation also! as for getting along with its nieghbors. I call bullshit on you! if the arabs laid down thier arms and stopped attacking israel there would be peace. but any rational person (which you are not) knows if israel laid down its arms the arabs would attack it and kill everyone.
so in conclusion, Fuck you
why, whose land did jordan take? i don't know -- and i don't care. but boy, didn't you just inspire me to go out and write my congressman about how much I now want to support Israel now? Good job!! you have totally convinced me with your compelling arguments that 1948 was a good idea!
Perhaps the UN should send Israel money and arms and the u.s. should stop and then make it illegal for u.s. citizens to send money, the way we do with money going to hamas?
yes, there would be peace if the arabs would just put down their arms, do what they're told and shut up. there would have been no american revolution had the columnist done that too, eh? no one's going to do that when they feel they are the victims of injustice.
and you are not man enough to fuck me, bub, so don't get yourself stiff for nothing. i'll break it off and feed it to you. but how about we just stay civil and avoid all that nastiness?
just because you don't agree with my opinion is no reason to sink into stupidity.
and, again, i don't need to convince zionists to support israel as much as you need to convince disinterested non-zionists to continue their support. so go ahead, take the nasty road, see where it ends.
you are not a disinterested non zionist.
your an anti semite you have all the leftwing propaganda points and you dress it all up in a false argument that I need to convince you that a country should continue to have the right to exist.
I know where you want the road to end., and the only variable is,
do you want to run an oven or do you just want to know the job is getting done.
Weve got a recession going on in the US and our government is sending billions per year in grants and free weapons to Israel so they can kill people (they kill plenty of civilians along with the militants). Israel has the strongest military outside of the US in the world...they dont need our help or our money to fight against the stone throwing terrorists. Notice that there is no quotes on this blog...and its complete BS that I found it from yahoo news. Since when is yahoo pointing to random blogs as articles? Thats how strong israels influence is in our media. We give them free PR as well. :)
im smiling right now. ive got to go get some work done. so someone else will have to respond to you after this.
but im smiling. you strike me as the type who just wants to know the job is getting done.
there is another anonymous, the last anon post was not mine.
so if I'm not a zionist, i am an anti-semite? wow, the boys down at the schvitz are going to be surprised to hear that! that's a little childish, don't you think? you can't come up with anything better than name calling? how do you know i'm not a jew? about half of my friends are jews, that doesn't mean i have to agree with them on israel -- though some of them agree with me.
no, i'm not an anti-semite. i'm just an average american.
hey, the falong gong religion in china, or whatever it's called, is being oppressed i hear. we better set them up with their own country as a sanctuary from the oppression. let's give them nigeria, that makes sense! that's about how much sense 1948 makes to me.
i suspect i represent a more mainstream american viewpoint than either side of this argument would like to admit exists.
The deep divide that is growing in the middle east between Pro-american and pro-iranian nations is clearly being lost by the americans. They lost in Lebanon, ie nahir al barid camp, july 2006 war. they lost in gaza when hamas kicked fatah's ass. Those who have been following Iran have become stronger and stronger. Israel is happy they bombed hamas who is basically a local police force. They got there asses kicked in July 2006 in lebanon when they sought to "crush" the "resistance".
The "new middle east" that bush was trying to create was badly deafeated.
Liberty came the same way it did to America, Algeria, Libia, Egypt, Kenya, Rhodesia (Zim), Vietnam, Angola, Namibia, Congo and oh
All except one (America)are shitholes, and if it wasnt for Bumi-Putri laws then Malaysia would be also be shithole. Thank the Chinese and Indians for saving your sorry muslim arses.Because if it was up to sons of the earth both Singapore and Malaysia
And you should thank the British, because with them you woud now be under the rule of Jakarta
And You can not claim America is liberated, ask any Apache or Comanche, so the odds are if America was completely liberated, chances are it would also be another shithole
Notice how Singapore is so prosperous, this is is because they keep you Malays under tight control.
I like your profile picture, Orwell. My favorite authors. Ever read Burmese days? Its the closest thing he ever wrote to an autobiography... just read it last year. You should too. He hated imperialism because he knew it from the inside: he was a colonial police chief in Burma (modern day Mayanmar).
But I don't think its good for you to tarnish this great man with you illegible rants. First, Orwell was a great writer: you on the other hand are not, and should take more time to formulate your responses rather than "shooting from the hip" the first thing that pops into your head.
Point by Point:
Yes, there are white Muslims, as there are Black, Chinese, Indian, Arab, African-American, and now even Latino (fastest growing religion in Mexico of all places). Needless to say it is NOT a racist religion. Unlike Judaism which is very exclusive and hebrew suprafter thousands of years only has about 25 million "chosen people" world wide. But you state: "perfect being is a racist who utters hate speech". So which one is it, racist or not?
2. Slaughter and Genocide by Muslims. You must be joking. Lets just look at the 20th century, the bloodiest century in human history, and YOU tell me: how many of those dead were at the hands of the Muslims and how many at the hands of Christians, Jews, Bhuddists, and Communists?
Lets do a little math project. We'll start with 1901 and end at 2008. Lets add up the dead. If you're up to it? I am sure you "sheep" like in Animal Farm will tow the state line. I am sooo goonna have fun with you, champ.
We'll start with 1901, the Boer Wars, where the Brits introduced Concentration camps against the Boers....
And we will end with Iraq... 2008, with the deaths of 800,000 Iraqi's in a country of 27 million people.
Muslims engaged in genocide... NO, it you white people who love to dominate, kill, maim, and colonize..
As far as ONE STATE solution... you have got to be the dumbest idiot on earth... one state, one man one vote... no body is getting killed... under your perfered scheme, thousands die every year cause of Israeli bombings. One state, free vote, no body has to suffer... democracy..every heard of it... you facist idiot!
gosh, I don't even know what haram means,
Well if you do not know what it means then you have a lot to learn
3. Carnivorous animals
4. Almost all reptiles and insects
5. The bodies of dead animals
6. Halal animals which are not slaughtered according to the Islamic Law.
8. Wine, Ethyl Alcohol, and Spirits.
I find the Muslim obsession with alcohol quite fascinating actually.
Generally people seem to have an easier time dealing with a stone cold sober Muslim who allegedly cleanses his family honor by killing a sister, who wrecks his community's wellbeing by bad business and greed, who dehumanizes the family institution by imposing three incestuous wives on each other, who straps a belt of explosives around his body and flicks the switch in the name of Islam. But sipping a glass of wine/drowning in a bottle of tequila is a sin Islam is somewhat obsessed with.
Oh, and of course there's the veil/cover up neurosis.
Hi,PEACE to you all, this is MANKIND,I just want to say and remind everyone that there never was a land of PALESTINE,or PALESTINIANS,these people are from JORDAN,they are JORDANIANS,ISRAEL was given to ABRAHAM,JACOB,and ISAAC by GOD himself,IT IS the only LAND on this EARTH that GOD gave, to the jews,this land was there before even JESUS CHRIST came.SO,what GOD gave, MANKIND cannot take away, or devide.The WRATH of GOD will fall upon any NATIONS and MANKIND that does these to ISRAEL,CHRIST was a JEW, the JEWISH PEOPLE are GODS PEOPLE,DON't you get it? you are fighting a loosing battle,in the end,ISRAEL will always win and prosper GOD BLESS ISRAEL AND THE jerUSAlem! GOD BLESS, MANKIND.
ASK THE GERMANS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SIX MILLION JEWS!
Israel is a bunch of goons, 2500 years before thrown away by God from Holy Land because of their unstopping waywardness.. and they will not get this holy land in peace because they haven’t changed their behavior.. they have still that wildness.. in 'Torah' God says to jews, 'Did u forget u were the most ruthless and spiteful.. hauling skins of people and chewing their bones..' so how God grant such animals holy land..
Israel want peace but actually trying for grave stillness.. killing and murdering innocent, armless palestines.. arms of Palestine people is small pebbles.. what a war.. tanks vs pebbles..
Israel is going to be wiped out.. it’s only matter of time..
Yes you where correct that there was a lot of Malaysian blood shed, but, it was not the Malays who where doing the fighting, it was the ethnic Chinese MNLA.
Yes It was the Chinese who saved your sorry arses against the British
Not the angelic towel heads from Badr
Malaysia is fine.. they have a better economy than the U.S., GDP? Do you know what DGP is? well its 3 times the U.S....!
Yes I know about Malaysia and about Bumi-Putri, also I know that most of the wealth come from the occupied territories of Sabah and Sarawak
You forget that to date, Malaysia continues to consistently reject Philippine calls to resolve the matter of Sabah's jurisdiction to the International Court of Justice
The Philippines broke diplomatic relations with Malaysia after the federation had included Sabah in 1963. It was revoked in 1989 because succeeding Philippine administrations have placed the claim in the back burner in the interest of pursuing cordial economic and security relations with Kuala Lumpur
Sarawak was officially granted independence on July 22, 1963, and was absorbed into the federation of Malaysia on September 16, 1963, to the initial opposition from the population. Sarawak was also a flashpoint during the Indonesian Confrontation between 1962 and 1966.
what a war.. tanks vs pebbles..
what a war infant heads vs Rock
yes youre right Anonymous,but they were prophesied to some day be back to the land that they were given,and they did come back against all odds, thats DEVINE intervention,you will see alot more DEVINE interventions for ISRAEL,it is still ISRAEL LAND!it will never change,AND the USA is in the middle of this all the way for ISRAEL no matter what! JERusaLEM! GOD BLESS, MANKIND.
wow -- mankind is like, on acid! cool! go mankind, go! talk to god!! Is he there with you now? is he by any chance wearing a giant rabbit suit? i bet he tells you that you are right, doesn't he? tell him i said hello and give him a carrot for me, will ya? and will you ask him if he created the holocaust so that isreal would pop up after the war? what a genius this god is!!
but why has god established babylon as israel's prime sponsor and protector, i don't quite get that, please explain it to me, oh wise one. or am i unjustly mixing my old and new fictions?
lord, i leave for an hour and you guys denegrate into this?
so, so far, we have god and the UN establishing israel's right to exist? well, gosh, who could argue with that. all we have to do now is throw some chicken bones on the floor and read them to confirm if this is really true! or are we supposed to use the jawbone of an ass? mankind, can we please borrow your jawbone for a sec?
peace brothers and sisters
stop squabbling let peace
reign on all what all
the holy books say
mean to say hope
to say truely
Ayan... nice red herring attempts.
My POINT is that one cannot claim God to be perfect and racist.
If one chooses that god is perfect then the Quran CANNOT have been authored by him. It contains undeniable racist hate speech
"Needless to say it is NOT a racist religion. Unlike Judaism which is very exclusive and hebrew suprafter thousands of years only has about 25 million "chosen people" world wide. But you state: "perfect being is a racist who utters hate speech". So which one is it, racist or not?"
In fact ... since jews do NOT and have NEVER proselytized numbers of jews have always been tiny, your number is probably DOUBLE the number of jews on the planet
I will stand by quoting that as a minimum, items such as the Stone and Tree Hadith ARE RACIST, and here of mutiple and lengthy examples of the Quran as hate speech, which is precisely why the University of Southern California banned it (Hadith)recently.
As far as being a jew being exclusive, you haven't got the slightest idea what you are talking about.
SEE YOUR LOCAL REFORMED or CONSERVATIVE RABBI
"Slaughter and Genocide by Muslims. You must be joking"
India ..13th-18th centuries
Spain, by the Almohads, 13th century (Maimonides and the jews took off for a reason)
You better read both Legacy of Jihad by Andrew Bostom and Islamic Imperialsm by Ephraim Karsh
Also Matthias Kunzel's works.
Also the letters of Husseini (Grand Mufti of Jerusalem) during WW2 who solicited the help of the southern euro nations to ship the Jews of Palestine to concentration camps
Also we have the modern example of EVERY LEADER OF IRAN since 1979
"As far as ONE STATE solution... you have got to be the dumbest idiot on earth... one state, one man one vote... no body is getting killed... under your perfered scheme, thousands die every year cause of Israeli bombings. One state, free vote, no body has to suffer... democracy..every heard of it... you facist idiot!"
SORRY, nice try
As you well know, a one state solution would get us to exactly where the arab league wanted in 1947. One state is a CANARD for no Israel.
Of course all thinking people understand this, and all thinking people understand what arabs and muslims want and believe .. that Israel sits on a waqf, consecrated for muslims until judgment day.
Like I said, get off the stupid baloney.
Islam has initiated a religious war of the peoples.
That's all there is
I will support a 2 state solution-divide all the land stretching from Arabia to North Africa, to the Mediterrenean equally between Jews and Arabs.
any religion that is marketed is false, imperialistic, and expansionist. religions ought to stay with the people that founded it.
I too will support a 2 state solution.
The land between the Atlantic and the Pacific, North America... equally between the Jews and the Americans...
Ha, lets see how long that lasts before "We" push them into the sea.
"Ha, lets see how long that lasts before "We" push them into the sea."
And with that Ayan, I think you have self identified rather completely
as long as arabs delude themselves that the land of israel belongs to palestinians, arabs will be in problems. is palestine an arabic word. nations grow up, but arabs don't want to.
nobody answered my question. why didn't arabs demonstate over arab killing of 'black' muslims in darfur?
why did arabs import a religion into africa that gave the african the knowledge that there can be 'holy' war?
That's a good question about the Arab Muslims killing black Muslims in Darfur.
Here's another good question: Why is it that the Arab word
means both "black person" and "slave"?
Sorry to disappoint Ayan... you have my back ground quite wrong.
I am an ex civil right's worker, liberal, and went to school in the south
I have nothing to do with AIPAC, have never sent them a cent, and don't know anyone in AIPAC.
I do belong to SPLC and have belonged to the ACLU something many you think of as 'fascists' would abhor
I have however, had a healthy nearly everyday relationship with many arabs in the gulf since 9/13/01
Your real problem is that people like me SEE REALITY.
As for the SLAUGHTER in Gaza.. I bring you the words of someone who freed MILLIONS at great cost... the words will be familiar to many here..let's see if you can figure out who...
"This war differs from other wars, in this particular. We are not fighting armies but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war. "
Gazans CHOSE HAMAS, freely.
They all knew what they were doing.
Freedoms have responsibilities.
BY choosing a govt whose stance is LITERALLY that jihad is the only solution, THEY chose the hard hand of war, and THEY chose to back 5000 missiles into 1948 Israel.
Peace lies in their hearts. If they change their hearts, there will be peace. There are no settlements in Gaza. There were no Israelis in Gaza. Only a govt in Gaza which demands the end of Israel as an accurate expression of the will of the people of Gaza.
But you see, the problem is that jews are free and in charge on the waqf, and this cannot be tolerated.
Here's another question, and I don't know the answer to this one:
Who do Muslims kill more of?
Or their fellow Muslims?
Anyone know the answer?
before i go to bed; arabs go to bed and think, think. why are there so few muslim nobel peace prize winners? answer. you spend your time plotting evil and hatred. and the others spend their time researching into academics. in time blacks whom you despise will overtake you.
In fact, where were the arab/muslim condemnations over HAMA in 1982, 20,000-30,000 dear as well as over the 600-2000 in Sabra and Shattila which was a few weeks later?
before i go to bed; arabs go to bed and think, think. why are there so few muslim nobel peace prize winners? answer. you spend your time plotting evil and hatred. and the others spend their time researching into academics. in time blacks whom you despise will overtake you.
so adb means black and slave? i thought so.and foolish blacks join them in practicing arab culture in the name of religion. ignorance is a killer disease.
Thank you for finally giving me an intelligent response. Glad to know your true colors, liberal, ACLU, etc...
Me, I am in my Mid-30's, graduated in international studies from La Salle, Philly (Christian Brother), and joined the Army afterwards. 23 Ecco Tow-Drag repair, achieved officer first class in 96, Green Beret, and served two tours, Kosovo and Saudi Arabia. Went to Rutgers to get my Masters in International Relations, got out 3 years ago.
Here is the deal...I am American. I love this country and care only about its best interest. Israel and its supporters are a fifth column traitor element. They need to be identified. Our best interest is to make friends with 200 million Arabs, and 1 billion Muslims... that is in OUR best interst.
But the traitor element has got us thinking that supporting 5 million Israelis is somehow benefitial to us. It is NOT. Nor is it moral. Cut em off, let em sink, that is what I say. We need to look out for our own, and stop sending 5 billion in welfare to a militaristic, fundimentalist religio-facist state. I do not condone Apartheid. Either they give every Arab the right to vote and grant them equal citizenship, or go back to Europe where they came from
The Arabs are the victims here, they didn't engage in the Christian perpetuated Gas chambers. Their only crime was to let the Jews come by the ship load and not see the Zionist's true intentions...
A true wrong has been committed against the Palestianian. They need to get their land back. And the European settlers? Well, either they can live in a democratic, one man- one vote state, or go back to where they came from.
After all, when you see a fur wearing blue eyed, blonde haired guy with a woolly cap on in the desert... you know he doesnt belong there.
America First... stop selling out to the Zionist 5th column.
That 270,000,000 is that the estimated Black Africans that died because of the Islamic ordained slave trade
Some one wrote above that the winner determines the history
So all you in support of the moslems
Read what the Mughals wrote about their genocides in India
Learn the meaning of Hindu Kush
Islam is necrophilia in its purest form
Arabs do have the right to vote in Israel.
What's more, Arabs have more rights in Israel than they do anywhere in the Arab Muslim world.
When Israel gave the Gaza strip over to the Palestinians, the Palestinians demanded that every Jew leave.
Israel does not demand that every Palestinian leave Israel. In fact, Palestinians are elected and serve in the Knesset.
Did you not know this, or are you simply here lying on our site?
That is Bill Warner's estimate of the total death toll of Islamic Jihad in the last 1400 years.
As I understand it, the death toll of the Islamic slave trade is something around 120 million:
I believe that death toll is separate from the one Warner is counting, but I'm not sure.
Maybe Ayan knows.
"Israel and its supporters are a fifth column traitor element"
That IS bigotry.
I've done the route, both with SPLC, and in the south....
"They need to be identified. Our best interest is to make friends with 200 million Arabs, and 1 billion Muslims... that is in OUR best interst."
In that case, JEFFERSON IS SHIT
"Cut em off, let em sink, that is what I say"
Even if the result is our boys facing Chinese AEW's with Phalcon systems?
Or Patriots with NO SOFTWARE?
Or no software updates for our micro drones?
Or the 7th fleet facing Chinese subs with Israeli warfighting systems and sonar software? You need to remember that we had a complete weapons embargo on Israel from 1948-66. You need to remember that Israel HAD a very successful strategic relationship with China, and CAN DO SO AGAIN. They cut it off on our behalf.
Is the oil so sweet then?
"The Arabs are the victims here, they didn't engage in the Christian perpetuated Gas chambers."
In fact as I stated and you ingored, THE LEADER OF THE ARABS OF PALESTINE ENGAGED THE NAZIS AND THEIR PUPPET GOVTS FROM 1941 ONWARDS TO GAS THE JEWS FROM PALESTINE AFTER TRANSPORTING THEM TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
Your narrative is simply factually in error, OVER AND OVER
"And the European settlers?"
Ethiopian, Yemeni, Iraqi, Egyptian, Algerian, Iranian etc Jews EXPELLED after their properties personal and real were confiscated by muslims regimes in the late 40's and early 50's make up nearly half the Jewish population of Israel.
Sorry, but cherry picked 'facts' and double standards based on incomplete information is a HALLMARK of bigots. I saw it about blacks, and I see it here
Sorry to say you sound little different from those I saw trying to stop blacks from registering and voting.
You don't know the facts and you like it that way so the internal needs you have to be prejudiced can be justified.
Ayan is a graduate of LaSalle. It is hard for me to believe he has not had some contact with the facts of history.
Therefore, given the extremity of his views, I don't think they come from a lack of knowledge. I have a very hard time believing that.
Well, Pasto, I sort of see it like this..
If what Ayan says is TRUE - LaSalle has failed. Rutgers even worse
For this person to say there are 25 million jews, be ignorant of the population breakdowns as he is, never know that arab nations allied with Germany, including an Iraqi coup for them in 1941 ..thus deserving of just what came after..not to know there were no jewish settlements post withdrawal, not to know the alliance and complicity of Haj Amin Al Husseini not just for the holocaust, but as a Nazi ally who raised an entire division to fight AMERICANS and our allies,...well that's a stretch.
The idea that such a person is a Rutgers MA in International Relations is a stain on them. Thus I wonder as to the veracity of these claims, OR if he is american at all.
Ignorance has no nationality or religion.
This planet is fucked.
Simpletons, regardless of the seats they've warmed at Rutgers, or pages they've turned at La Salle, should really endeavor to keep things simple. Otherwise, a smartass may ask to see an actual map of Palestine, or are you equally upset that Jordan isn't Palestine? Whatever fabrication you may think the book, Jews displaced to Europe kept with them a book which tied them to Israel. What manifestation of culture, coinciding with archeological evidence, do you offer for the Palestinian claim?
Or perhaps you should just keep it simple, by restating the relative populations and admitting that you're scared to even consider the truth and morality of the issues.
The Jews may have a book.... but upon reading that book you'll learn that the state of Israel is illegitimate. That is why million of real Jews around the world refuse to set foot in it. The state according to scripture is not meant to exist until the coming of the Messiah.
As far as Palestinian claims... they don't need ancient texts. They have lived there for 3 thousand years! They have more right to their land than you do to your home.. I am guessing as an Amerian you have only lived in this country for less than 200 years. And they continue to live there in defiance of the regligious ethnic cleansing the Zionists are trying to engage in. More power to em.
One day sensible Americans will cut Israel off, won't happen until the minorities become the majority, but that is only 3 decades away. And this abomination will be wiped off the pages of history...
the palistinians lived their for 3000 years??? your an idiot.
the arabs came in for the most part in the last 100 years.
proir to that the arabs made war on the remnants of the holy roman empire and the peoples who inhabited the holy land and took it by force.
throughout this, one thing has been constant
thier has allways been some jewish presence in israel.
and by the way, your the abomination
I think Ayan is confusing the Phillistines with Palestinians. The two peoples cannot be any more different.
Epaminondas et. All
Long one here, trying to address all the misinformation that came through over the day.
Ah yes, the “Pigs and Dogs”. Through all my travels, I have been to 9 Muslims countries, I have never heard a Muslim call anyone a Pig or a Dog. They are classy people for the most part. Unlike the rif-raf on this site, with the silly name calling.
You must really think all Americans are uneducated right wing Zionist supporting Islamophobes. Guess that would be any one’s conclusion who spends too much time on these hate ranting blogs. Educated Americans, including Carter, Mearsheimer, Walt (top Poli. Theorists) Brezinski and others have questioned our fidelity to Israel and whether it’s in our nation’s best interest. Sorry pal, I reserve my right to freedom of thought and worship and will practice it. As I also do my second amendment rights. Unlike you, hiding behind a pseudonym, my name is real.
I wonder if you're American, or are you based out of Jerusalem. Real Americans care about the interests of this country, not Israel.
Second: I was referring to the Jewish population world wide today, not back in WWII. Read before you respond.
And as far as the Iraqi uprising: Its aim was the same as the American revolution’s: kick the British off their land. Do you know American history? Or do you get all your wisdom from blogs.
As far as Muslim brigades for Hitler. I always enjoy tackling this one and have had to often since the release of "Obsession", the new video bible of Islamophobes.
Yes Muslims fought under Hitler, a total of about 80 thousand were involved in a mostly Bosnian Division (which also includes Croatians) that reported to German officers. But.... hold your breath... 600,000 Muslims fought for the Allies: France and Britain had entire Brigades made up of Arab, African and Indian Muslims.
If One billion Muslims are tarnished because of the actions of 80 thousand; then the Christians are simply screwed: 9 million of them fought for the Nazis.
And lets not forget, Hitler himself was half Jewish, so I guess they are screwed too.
The Nazi philosophy is a Western philosophy, not Eastern. There are no Arab Nazi’s today; where as according to the FBI, there are at least 200, 000 Americans who identify them selves as either Neo-Nazi’s or Skin heads. It is also growing rapidly in Europe, specially Eastern Europe. So the Nazi argument falls flat when you see where it came from, and where it resides today.
As far as “Arabs have only been there 100 years”. So idiotic, so easy.. I won’t even enjoy shredding you. I don’t expect you to read a book so go rent “Kingdom of Heaven”, Yes those are Arabs, lead by Salahuddin, in the holy land… before and after the crusades.
Yes the Jews have lived for millennia in the holy land and lived alongside their Arab neighbors. But the area was called Palestine, not Israel. A good source on this is a book by Tom Segev (Jewish, Israeli, family fled Nazi Germany and settled in Palestine), “One Palestine Complete: Jews and Arabs Under the British Mandate”. One of the main reasons I support a ONE STATE solution is that Jews and Arabs have lived peacefully together in one nation in the past and they can do same in the future; if only all parties have equal rights. European Zionist are the ones who have soured this ancient relationship by claiming all the land and resources for them selves, greedy bastards.
Many of the Jews who left Arab countries was because they now had a homeland…they left voluntarily. Some were persecuted, but it was not systematic. Had it been there wouldn’t be thousands still living in Tunisia, Morocco and Iran. Morrocco is interesting because the Jews ran there for safety from Christian Spain during the inquisition. Jews safer in Muslim countries has been the historical reality.
Foreign Relations: Israel has been responsible for killing more American’s than the Palestinians.
Case in point: USS Liberty, Israel’s unprovoked and brutal attack killed 34 American sailors and seriously wounded 170. Israel lied and said it was a mistake. But CAPT. William McGonagle, commanding officer of the ship, all surviving crew members, CIA director Richard Helms and then-Secretary of State Dean Rusk as well as Admiral Thomas Hinman Moorer, former Chief of Naval Operations and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff all say it was a deliberate attack. I believe my own military. Countless other cases exist where Israelis have killed Americans, ex. Rachel Corey.
Savannah River: Israeli agents stole American Nuclear secrets to build their own weapon, then turned it over to the Chinese. A lot of Israeli input in China’s designs. Israel has spied on the U.S. for years. There are more cases of Israeli spying on the U.S. than any other country bar USSR. There are Israeli spies sitting in prison today, who AIPAC of course is trying to get released.
China… lets not forget they were our allied during the Cold War, and still get preferential trade treatment. No international affairs expert worth his salt would consider China a threat to us today… possibly in the future, no earlier than 2040. Their defense budget is still less than France’s.
America doesn’t need Israeli arms, we are the most powerful and advanced nation on earth militarily. We give Israel arms, and then have to train them. All their modern systems, including the Arrow, F-15/16’s, etc. were heavily subsidized by the American tax payers. They would be nothing without us, as much as the 5th column would like us to think so. They still get about 5 billion an year from America, government and private. Just recently when they started to run out of bombs to use against Gaza, America rushed them an express shipment.
I learned a lot during my years in the military and that is where I started to become critical of Israel. Amongst rank and file mid-level commissioned officers, Israel isn’t trusted. We have welcomed bases in 11 Muslim countries, none in Israel (one air defense battery team was placed there recently to train the Israelis). The contact with Arabs is beneficial, it builds better relations. Withdrawal from Iraq will further improve relations.
I fell in love with Arab culture, food, women, customs and religion while I was there. And I will not let racist idiots tarnish a good people. Don’t believe me: a round trip between New York and Casablanca is less than $800 bucks, take a trip. Go visit for your self and then I am sure you will be on here, like me, taking on the bigots. Of course they are angry, their people are being killed by American and Israeli bombs. Would we not be angry?
Racism: you must be joking… I am mixed race myself. I voted for Obama (I am sure most on this site did not, how could you vote for a guy with middle name Hussein?). I grew up in Newark (80% black)… having mostly African American friends, many to this day. I went to La Salle on Scholarship, family certainly could not afford it.
Hey, you fought the good fight in the South. African Americans have come a long way because of good work by good people. Now you have to defend the people who are the new targets of racism: Muslims, Arabs in particular. Racism didn’t go away, racists will always find someone to hate. Sad to see Jews, who have been persecuted for so long, readily hopping on the Anti-Muslim band wagon.
Don’t believe me: a round trip between New York and Casablanca is less than $800 bucks, take a trip.
I don't believe you, because flying into Casablanca is not the same as taking the ferry from Algeciras to Tangiers, and then the train to Casablanca. I can say that before you even get outside the docks, you will be called things worse than pigs and dogs.
Try it, try traveling around any muslim nation, away from the tourist, destinations. Try traveling independently, not under the auspices of some aid organization, then you will see the truth.
Going to Casablanca is not the same as going to Moroco.
You claim to have gone to 9 Muslims countries, can you speak the language of any of these countries
You say you you fell in love with Arab culture, food, women, customs and religion while I was there
And judging by your name you became a muslim.
Well for your information, I have also travelled a lot in muslim nations, not as some milatary adviser, up until 20 years ago I was dealing with hashish, which enabled me to go to places where most people fear to tread, with the exception of Chefchaouen which happens to be one of the few places in Moroco where there are no warnings about walking around in the streets alone, even in the middle of the night.
I have been into the Bekaa Valley which is now the Hezbollah stronghold
Prior to the Russian invasion, I made several trips to Kabul, one of those trips was overland pssing through Turkey, Iraq, Iran.
I even made a trip into Golden Triangle, where to hash and opium trade is controlled by muslim
I finally got busted, and done a few years jail, but that is another story.
Every where I went, there was a lot of respect, but, not for me, but for the infidel cash that I could arrange for them.
The same is for you, they did not have respect for you, but the weapons and training you gave them.
Odds on, you where never allowed to wander far from your bases alone
You have been well and truly suckered by Taquiya.
The Nazi philosophy is a Western philosophy, not Eastern.
I say, Why should Eastern philosophy adopt Nazi philosophy when it has Islam
600,000 Muslims fought for the Allies: France and Britain had entire Brigades made up of Arab, African and Indian Muslims.
I say, Bullshit, most of the Arabs stayed neutral until they saw which way the tide was flowing, and I do not forget easily about the Brigade of Moroccans (Goumiers) under the French command. One word "Marocchinate" says a lot about the muslims that helped ?
Yes there where a lot of Indian muslims who joined with the british during WW11, but sorry to say, this was a tactic to gain more concessions from Britian in India against the Hindues
Now 600,000 is not so many when you think of the total muslim population at that time.
The contact with Arabs is beneficial, it builds better relations
I say, now what is beneficial when the only contact is give, give and give again, looks like you have indulged in to many hookahs
So Ayan, you're saying we at IBA ought to be exterminated, and you're more than willing to participate.
Let me let you know, that is duly noted. You have left many comments here. A lot of information has passed from you to IBA. And, your comment is duly noted.
Do you want to clarify that for the record, or do you just want me to accept it the way you wrote it?
I am guessing as an Amerian you have only lived in this country for less than 200 years.
Whom do you think you address? Methuselah? Le Compte de Saint Germain? The twelfth imam?
If you mean that my ancestry has only been in America that long, you'd be wrong. And as for ownership of my house, I've a deed. It has a description of what I own. I can visit Europe and the property remains mine.
I do beleive we have clarity.
ayan would like to exterminate us. he would like to participate in the extermination himself.
because we dont have his point of view. about israel continuing to exist. and the barbaric nature of islam as a political/religious cult.
so its crystalnacht clear to me who the nazi/bigot is on this thread.
I would say its ayan. the only one advocating the destruction and death of millions including anyone who opposes his agenda...
Ayan, I have traveled more than 2 and 1/2 million miles around this world, on every continent but africa having spent a total of probably 5 actual years out of the USA
I have been everywhere but Antarctica, spent about 35-40% in developing nations and known an awfully large number of different kinds of peoples, and YOU Ayan, Oberleutnant, are the quintessential ugly american, IF< and it's a big IF, you are what you say you are.
Your 'conclusions' are based on incomplete information, ignored information, negligently manipulated information, and galactically breathtaking factual errors.
That is a classic definition of, my my, PREJUDICE.
Just as your conclusions about the world are tragically comical, so are your thoughts here and about IBA, where we have posters from the USA, Europe, Asia, and one I believe from the maldives
Good luck with your Buchanan love affair, (IF YOU ARE WHAT YOU SAY YOU ARE..PASTO..IP?)you'll need it in BIGO-LAND
Like I said, Ayan's comment is duly noted.
Just for the record, we have contributors from the following:
We also have contributors who are Christians, Jews, atheists, Muslim apostates, married, unmarried, heterosexual, gay, Conservative, Liberal, Capitalist, Socialist, authors, Professors, musicians, artists, CEO's, retail clerks, etc. (I'm sure I'm missing other distinctions)
This is what IBA is about: We are a blog written by as many of the various types of people, that islamists want to kill, as we can find (as long as those people are aware that Islamists would want to kill them). As such, it is required that we are a multi-voiced international blog, and not a blog of staunch agreement on issues.
Epa, If you do not mind me calling you by that name
I think the thing funniest in this thread is only you and myself have been accused of being mouth pieces or in the pay of AIPAC.
If only that person only knew how many times we have been at logheads
over at JW.
Well, though there are some issues we do not agree on, yet I have the highest regard for you, and Jaco, you are rare diamonds, it is folks like you, that are putting the flame to the feet of me and several of the people I support, that contributes to making a better world for every one to live in.
I doubt very much most of the posters that have swarmed this thread have hardly read any other posts here, nor visited any other Anti-Jihad site, it seems some leftard forum has directed then to this thread.
Don,t we have anybody from Israel
Yes, we do. it's funny that I forgot, considering this is a "Zionist blog".
By the way, Epa, when is my paycheck from the World Zionist Organization going to arrive? I'm really sick of them sending my friggin' check late.
I suspect they are playing their Jew games with me, and if they don't cut it out, I'm going to blow their cover and tell everyone everything I know about how the Jews control the world.
I'm really pissed this time.
I forgot, we also have a contributor from India.
I hope Hojda doesnt get pissed of at you, and stop sending the Danish cheese you so enjoy
Was It Havarti
All the leftists, apologists, Jihadists, and fascists found this website through a Yahoo news link on Netanyahu's speech at Davos. I was quite surprised to find the IBA link to this article on a Yahoo news piece.
I need answers from the 'smart' Israel and Jew-hating genuises like Epani...., and others on this blog: Muslims/Arab wannabes are fighting in Israel, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Spain, London, Mauretania, Darfur, Irag, Nigeria, Somalia, etc. How many countries are Jews fighting in?
Well ladies and dudes,
I have missed you all over the last few days, and I can see a little bee hive of activity has been going on since. Look, I usually stay away from sites that's sole purpose is to tarnish a race or religion. But I was directed here by Yahoo "news". So I followed the link, you guys must have some really good SEO people at the blog, or the Islamophobic element has very deep roots.
EP, I’ll give you credit, you have developed a good bit of insight on me… I am big fan of Buchanan, follow libertarian, non-interventionist principles… like Ron Paul also.
Sex in Saudi Question: No I didn’t have sex in Saudi, was only there 9 months and had a girl friend back home.
I keep hearing that the Koran is full of violence...
But there is no more violence in the Quran than the Bible or the Torah. You can go through the Quran and cherry pick select statements and put them out of context and then present them as proof. But you have to take the book in its totality. There is much more of the book dedicated to God’s forgiveness, mercy, kindness, etc..
On the other hand I found the Jewish holly scriptures much more racist and full of treachery and blood lust. Its as if God only protects the “Chosen People”, everyone else is animals.. after all… that is what Goyim means: Animals. Here are a few examples from their highest law, the Talmud.
Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Kill & Steal:
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews:
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jews as Sub Human:
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
And of course, the insults continue, against Marry (peace be upon her):
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
So if this blog is truly geared towards fighting racism and hate… then pick on the Jews as much as you do Muslims.
The point is we can go cherry picking all day long and find all kinds of damning things… gotta take Christian, Jewish and Islamic scripture in totality and not select passages which support pre-existing biases.
If we look around the world, most of the Muslims are fighting because their lands are occupied by foreign powers. We as Americans would be fight too. Lets remember Israel occupies Palestine, not vice versa... Russia occupies Chechnya, not vice versa, India occupies Kashmir, not vice versa... China occupies Xinjian, not vice versa, should I keep going?
People fight when they are occupied; I certainly hope we would if foreign forces landed on our turf. I grew up watching a movie called "Red Dawn", and loved the concept of people rising up to fight the invaders. It eventually molded my life into wanting to join and serve. The sad thing now is that the Wolverines are the Muslims fighting all sorts of invaders, and we have lost our original value of “freedom for all”. For the first time in U.S. history we have become too tolerant of occupation, colonization and empire.
Individual liberty, non-interference in other country’s affairs, no or at most flat income tax, strong support for the 2nd amendment, the constitution, freedom of religion, thought, speech, and private property rights, that is what this country is about. We have been hijacked over the last 8 years by those wanting us to become a militaristic empire and support Israel “no matter what”.
Thank God the Bush Administration with its "taking over the world" plans is gone. Hopefully Obama's administration will have a more even handed, balanced and respectful approach to the Muslim world. Which Obama demonstrated nicely during his first televised interview with Al Arabia. Gotta love this guy. And considering the margins by which he won, looks like most Americans also want the same approach. Sad to see the biggest threat to our new president is from domestic terrorism: the white supremacists not Islamic terrorism.
Sorry guys, you are on the loosing end in your fear mongering. You seem like the remnants of the discredited Neocons who coined that stupid word “IslamoFacist”. Haven’t seen it used in a while… I guess people realized how idiotic they sounded when they used the oxymoronic term.
As far as my comments being "duly noted", I am glad they were. I have disclosed a lot about myself on IB, while most of you have hidden behind pseudonyms. I see lots of seething anti-Muslim hate and demagoguery coming out of this site. Most of you have been offensive but not threatening, but some IB idiot could try to do something stupid. Just wanted to let em know that the second amendment grants me the tools, and my service gives me the skills necessary to protect my own. Comment was defensive in nature since the mud slinging and name calling directed towards me on this site has been a bit unsettling.
If you are saying that all Muslims are a threat, including the 6 million that live in the United States. Then what is your solution to this internal threat? What is your suggested final solution to this impending crisis?
I am saying there will be no holocaust in the United States! Muslims will not be hunted down, locked up, deported, or sent to concentration camps; as much as your group would support and relish it. Muslims in American today are very much like the Jews in 1930’s Germany, being vilified, dehumanized (how many times have they been called “DOGS” on this site), demonized and threatened. Me and other supporters of freedom won’t be quiet about this, and we will defend this nation against Islamophobic mobs, fascists, anti-constitutionalists and those who seeking to bring back Japanese type internment camps of the 2nd world war.
The U.S. military is very capable of capturing terrorists, fundamentalists and extremists. We may need to do that here from time to time. That applies equally to Muslim Radicals, KKK, Skin Heads, Zionist Extremists, and Islamophobes who burn mosques or attack Muslims on the subway. I hope the police/military does its job of targeting these people, and I would be happy to support those seeking to provide equal protection under the law to everyone.
I had a couple of days off and enjoyed spending my time in the snake pit. May drop by occasionally to add a sensible perspective to this Anti-Muslim, hate spouting circle jerk… But for now, I gotta get back to my normal day job, friends, girl and life. It was real…
To Ayan:Arabs/Muslims occupied African lands in Africa, and forced their chicanery masked as religion on them. In which places are the occupied Africans fighting Arabs/Muslims?
Ayan you can continue fooling yourself. You can also admit that your religion is trapped in the dark ages, and begin to work towards the light.
Ayan you can't turn Christians against Jews by 'telling' the story of Jesus mother being labelled a whore by the Talmud. Arabs/Muslims turned many Africans into harem whores and eunuchs.
All the best to you as you continue in delusion!
If you actually did stay away from, "sites that's sole purpose is to tarnish a race or religion," then how did you so readily find blatent lies concering Judiasm and Jews. Goyim means nations.
One can have a nationalist self-interest against aid to Israel without presuming, as you have here, an alliance with the more numerous muslims. You are no principled libertarian. You are a common coward, and lazy student, taking the most comfortable propaganda that is spoon fed you.
You ask, how many times muslims have been called dogs at this site, but then admit that you've never frequented this site. The only people that have been demonized and threatened with annahilation during this exchange have been the posters of IBA. And you have been that threatening thug.
Ayan, in my various disputes with both the KKK and the arabs, who are identical, and something YOU shoul dbear in mind I have found EVERY SINGLE talmud claim not only to be false but easily debunked by someone who NOTHING about the talmud:
Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Talmud Moed Kattan 17a
Rabbi Ila'i said: If a person is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known, dress in black clothes, cover his head in black, and do what his heart desires so that G-d's name will not be desecrated.
You are KLAN. Just put on the sheet and make it official
EVERY QUOTE YOU HAVE IS THE SAME
What a maroon
GO back to the Ron Paul who keeps money from STORMFRONT
Reprinted with permission from Maariv, originally published Jan. 25, 2009
An Open Letter To A Citizen Of Gaza: I Am the Soldier Who Slept In Your Home
By: Yishai G (reserve soldier)
While the world watches the ruins in Gaza, you return to your home which remains standing. However, I am sure that it is clear to you that someone was in your home while you were away.
I am that someone.
I spent long hours imagining how you would react when you walked into your home. How you would feel when you understood that IDF soldiers had slept on your mattresses and used your blankets to keep warm.
I knew that it would make you angry and sad and that you would feel this violation of the most intimate areas of your life by those defined as your enemies, with stinging humiliation. I am convinced that you hate me with unbridled hatred, and you do not have even the tiniest desire to hear what I have to say. At the same time, it is important for me to say the following in the hope that there is even the minutest chance that you will hear me.
I spent many days in your home. You and your family’s presence was felt in every corner. I saw your family portraits on the wall, and I thought of my family. I saw your wife’s perfume bottles on the bureau, and I thought of my wife. I saw your children’s toys and their English language schoolbooks. I saw your personal computer and how you set up the modem and wireless phone next to the screen, just as I do.
I wanted you to know that despite the immense disorder you found in your house that was created during a search for explosives and tunnels (which were indeed found in other homes), we did our best to treat your possessions with respect. When I moved the computer table, I disconnected the cables and lay them down neatly on the floor, as I would do with my own computer. I even covered the computer from dust with a piece of cloth. I tried to put back the clothes that fell when we moved the closet although not the same as you would have done, but at least in such a way that nothing would get lost.
I know that the devastation, the bullet holes in your walls and the destruction of those homes near you place my descriptions in a ridiculous light. Still, I need you to understand me, us, and hope that you will channel your anger and criticism to the right places.
I decided to write you this letter specifically because I stayed in your home.
I can surmise that you are intelligent and educated and there are those in your household that are university students. Your children learn English, and you are connected to the Internet. You are not ignorant; you know what is going on around you.
Therefore, I am sure you know that Quassam rockets were launched from your neighborhood into Israeli towns and cities.
How could you see these weekly launches and not think that one day we would say “enough”?! Did you ever consider that it is perhaps wrong to launch rockets at innocent civilians trying to lead a normal life, much like you? How long did you think we would sit back without reacting?
I can hear you saying “it’s not me, it’s Hamas”. My intuition tells me you are not their most avid supporter. If you look closely at the sad reality in which your people live, and you do not try to deceive yourself or make excuses about “occupation”, you must certainly reach the conclusion that the Hamas is your real enemy.
The reality is so simple, even a seven year old can understand: Israel withdrew from the Gaza strip, removing military bases and its citizens from Gush Katif. Nonetheless, we continued to provide you with electricity, water, and goods (and this I know very well as during my reserve duty I guarded the border crossings more than once, and witnessed hundreds of trucks full of goods entering a blockade-free Gaza every day).
Despite all this, for reasons that cannot be understood and with a lack of any rational logic, Hamas launched missiles on Israeli towns. For three years we clenched our teeth and restrained ourselves. In the end, we could not take it anymore and entered the Gaza strip, into your neighborhood, in order to remove those who want to kill us. A reality that is painful but very easy to explain.
As soon as you agree with me that Hamas is your enemy and because of them, your people are miserable, you will also understand that the change must come from within. I am acutely aware of the fact that what I say is easier to write than to do, but I do not see any other way. You, who are connected to the world and concerned about your children’s education, must lead, together with your friends, a civil uprising against Hamas.
I swear to you, that if the citizens of Gaza were busy paving roads, building schools, opening factories and cultural institutions instead of dwelling in self pity, arms smuggling and nurturing a hatred to your Israeli neighbors, your homes would not be in ruins right now. If your leaders were not corrupt and motivated by hatred, your home would not have been harmed. If someone would have stood up and shouted that there is no point in launching missiles on innocent civilians, I would not have to stand in your kitchen as a soldier.
You don’t have money, you tell me? You have more than you can imagine.
Even before Hamas took control of Gaza, during the time of Yasser Arafat, millions if not billions of dollars donated by the world community to the Palestinians was used for purchasing arms or taken directly to your leaders bank accounts. Gulf States, the emirates - your brothers, your flesh and blood, are some of the richest nations in the world. If there was even a small feeling of solidarity between Arab nations, if these nations had but the smallest interest in reconstructing the Palestinian people – your situation would be very different.
You must be familiar with Singapore. The land mass there is not much larger than the Gaza strip, it is considered the second most populated country in the world. Yet, Singapore is a successful, prospering, and well managed country. Why not the same for you?
My friend, I would like to call you by name, but I will not do so publicly. I want you to know that I am 100% at peace with what my country did, what my army did, and what I did. However, I feel your pain. I am sorry for the destruction you are finding in your neighborhood at this moment. On a personal level, I did what I could to minimize the damage to your home as much as possible.
In my opinion, we have a lot more in common than you might imagine. I am a civilian, not a soldier, and in my private life I have nothing to do with the military. However, I have an obligation to leave my home, put on a uniform, and protect my family every time we are attacked. I have no desire to be in your home wearing a uniform again and I would be more than happy to sit with you as a guest on your beautiful balcony, drinking sweet tea seasoned with the sage growing in your garden.
The only person who could make that dream a reality is you. Take responsibility for yourself, your family, your people, and start to take control of your destiny. How? I do not know. Maybe there is something to be learned from the Jewish people who rose up from the most destructive human tragedy of the 20th century, and instead of sinking into self-pity, built a flourishing and prospering country. It is possible, and it is in your hands. I am ready to be there to provide a shoulder of support and help to you.
But only you can move the wheels of history.
Yishai (Reserve Soldier)
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