Monday, August 28, 2006

A view from the Other Side

Well, it's taken awhile, but some bloggers from the Other Side have finally sat up and officially taken notice of our humble little website.

A pro-Muslim, pro-Jihad blog here in Malaysia had this to say about Pedestrian Infidel last week. It was originally written and posted in Malay, so here's the English translation (the translation is of the red text at the top of the source page--the rest is unimportant):
…I am here to tell you that I have found one blog, Pedestrian Infidel, that has been created to promote the idea of destroying Islam on earth. The contents (of this blog) are tremendously outrageous. It’s full of racism and hatred...

Read the rest here at Pedestrian Infidel.


KG said...

well, I just left a comment on that site--I'd be very surpised if it's published though:
"Keith Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
August 28th, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Children are being murdered in the name of Islam.
Women are being stoned to death in the name of Islam.
Civilians are being bombed in the name of Islam.
People are being beheaded in the name of Islam. Children are being raped and murdered (Beslan) in the name of Islam.
It is Muslims living in the West who demand that Western societies change to suit them. Hindus, Buddhists, and a dozen other faiths manage to coexist peacefully with other religions.
But not Muslims. Muslims threaten and carry out violent acts in the name of their religion.
Wherever Islam is introduced, violence and intolerance follows.
Your religion is not fit for the modern world."

Ecumene said...

Nearby to Adonis
is another Arab psychanalist Gehad Mazarweh whom i have already posted in
criticizes the Arab society
Interesting thoughts...

Gehad Mazarweh says some things that may not please Arab ears."The Arab world is still governed by myths and prejudices. Academic education and learning have had very little influence on people's thinking. Arab education is based on obedience, adaptability and a constant effort to fulfill the desires and expectations of the authorities. This type of education leaves clear signs of insecurity, lack of initiative, lack of self-esteem, fear of failure, apathy, docility and fear of innovation.
"When I see the demonstrations in Israel saying, No more war! I ask myself when similar processes will finally take place in Arab countries as well. Have you ever heard about a demonstration in Jordan, or in Syria or Egypt? The time has come for us to face the truth. We've been lying to ourselves for too many years."
Such views have already led Mazarweh to be accused of self-hatred. "There can be no reform of Arab society unless we open ourselves up to a new path," he says. "It's a process that will last for generations, but we must begin. We can't go on pinning the responsibility for our miserable situation on others. Yes, there is discrimination in Israel, but who's stopping the people in Taibe from cleaning the streets, for instance? You should see how filthy it is there. Every time I come back to visit, Taibe looks worse. It depresses me because in my father's time, Taibe was a paradise. Mention Taibe anywhere today and anyone will tell you that it's a disaster. Murder, prostitution, drugs, all the world's ailments have come together here. You look around and you're probably impressed with the cars and the villas. I'm not. I'm familiar with the discrimination in Israel. I'm horrified to keep hearing every day that they're threatening us with transfer. But the government isn't the only one responsible for the crime and neglect in Taibe. We have a big part in it, too."

(Gehad Mazarweh-Ha'aretz)

please,Comment here,thank you

Michael van der Galien said...

LOL: I couldn't stop laughing.

Michael van der Galien said...

I would just like to add, after reading the comments at that other place, that you guys didn't use the most sensible argument against that Jihad-supporter.

He compares verses of the Bible and Talmud with verses of the Qu'ran. What he forgot to mention is that there is a major difference in how the Bible / Talmud should be interpreted compared to the Qu'ran.

The Talmud and Bible teach that God doesn't contradict himself. Thus, when Jews or Christians read verses that seem to contradict themselves, they need to, somehow, interprete those verses to eachother: both verses are eternally true, though they seemingly seem to contradict eachother, so there must be something we're missing at first glance. So Jews and Christian compare the verses, read them in their context, think about it and reason away what seemed to be a contradiction.

The official teaching as to how the Qu'ran should be interpreted however, is quite different. When they stumble into something that seems to be contradicting another verse, they must ignore the older verse and obey the newer verse.
This means that when two verses talk about the same subject, for instance how infidels should be treated, the newer verse / teaching should be adhered to, while the older one should be ignored.
Funny enough, the newer verses, the newer teachings, teach hatred and aggression. Yes Muhammed seemed to have been peaceful when he just started out, but he changed into a tyrant later in life.

In other words: while context does matter with the Talmud and Bible, it does not matter in the Qu'ran.

Anonymous said...

Michael Van Der Galian,

I would just like to add, after reading the comments at that other place, that you guys didn't use the most sensible argument against that Jihad-supporter.

He compares verses of the Bible and Talmud with verses of the Qu'ran. What he forgot to mention is that there is a major difference in how the Bible / Talmud should be interpreted compared to the Qu'ran.

The reason we didn't get into an argument (sensible or otherwise) over at his blog is that we have a post coming up that pretty much answers everything he said in the comment thread.

All he did was just copy/paste a fake argument from another website into the thread. We could've done the same but instead we produced an original post which will be posted soon over at Pedestrian Infidel.

Another reason that we didn't want to comment in detail over at his blog is that Muslims have a tendency to declare victory every 5 seconds even when it isnt needed. If, for some reason, we aren't able to reply in a timely manner, that jihadist would just jump up and say 'Ah! you're late, we win!' So we thought its better we carry out the debate on our own blog and we will just post links to our discussion in the comment thread at his blog.

Pastorius said...

Hi Avenging Apostate,

Could you tell me the verses in the Koran which stipulate conversion, dhimmitude or death for the conquered Infidel?

Could you also tell me the verse in the Koran which orders Muslims to wage Jihad against the Infidel and the Jew?

Anonymous said...


The status of dhimmitude, in the Quran, as far as I can remember is only applied to the Jews and the Christians and not to any other peoples.

9.29 says: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Also read 9.30-31

It was only later that the caliphs extended this status over to the pagans too because the Jizya tax was greatly helping the economy. The Jizya tax was applicable on rich and the poor alike, so many chose to convert to Islam or else chose death.

As for the verses that talk about Jihad against the infidels, the infamous 9.5 stands out. But many “modern” Muslim apologists claim that verse 9.6 says that Muslims should make peace with the peaceful pagans but it isn’t so. Because 9.11 makes it clear that Muslims should only make peace with those who “repent, establish regular prayers, and practice regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.”

That means—convert to Islam. Read the whole passage from 9.5-12 for context. Also, don’t forget to read Ibn Kathir’s commentary for that passage, specifically for 9.5. has Ibn Kathir’s commentary on the Quran but for some reason, I am unable to access that website right now.

Lastly, 8.39: “And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.” AND

60.4: “There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone”

sum it up real good.

If you want a detailed list and discussion of these and various other verses of the kind, I can send you an email. I understand the explanation I provided here is somewhat vague, but I don't want to write an extraordinarily lengthy comment. ;)

Anonymous said...

ok, now i want to hear what yall comments about this:

What i seen in the website or blog that created by people that want to create so called truth is that they dont want to quote from quran nor bible. just want to use their own brain and said: "This is our opinion. We created this ourself, not by looking others"

When ur we do the assignment, we need to put where the resource come. Not only said "This is origionally mine".